Big Brother Torrid affairs pre-release discussion [locked]

[NoesisAndNoema]

Looks like I will be able to release a "Mac" and Linux versions too... I just can't test them, to confirm that they actually work, or debug them, if they fail to run or work correctly. (I will update the first post, to reflect these changes.)

Just not iOS and Android. (Features I use heavily in the game, do not function on those platforms and the format gets all fucked-up too. I have no interest in making this "mobile".)

 

[NoesisAndNoema]

I spent the whole day planning my "Dream Machines"... and a few alternate choices.

For those potentially interested in making a bad-ass render-farm rig, here is my shopping-lists. I actually have some of these components. However, this would be my upper and lower limits. I am going to get the "Wet Dream" machine, but without the 1TB M.2 SSD, and with the i9-7900X 10-core, which is only $900. Also, the 1600 watt PSU is already in my possession. Oh, and my single Titan-X will save me another $500 off the price.

Computer #1 (THE WET DREAM MACHINE)
- [$130] RAIJINTEK ASTERION SILVER CLASSIC, an Alu. E-ATX case
- - * {Because this is one of the cheapest and tested cases which fits the E-ATX motherboard and 4x video-cards.}

- [$160] 1600 watt PSU
- - * {Needs 12v for at-least (4x 6-pin), (5x 8-pin), (1x 4-pin), and (1x 4-pin-flat-connector/adapter)}

- [$410] MSI "X299 XPOWER GAMING AC" motherboard
- - * {Needs a CPU with 44 lanes to get PCIe x8/x8/x16/x8, for 4x "Titan-X Maxwells" to run.}

- [$2090] Intel Core i9-7980XE Skylake-X 18-Core 36-Threads
- - * {This has the 44 lanes required for running 4x Titan-X.}

- [$150] CPU liquid-cooler, 3x 120mm fans, 360mm x 120mm radiator.
- - * {Because a liquid-cooler is a requirement for these i9 2066 CPU's}

- [$660] Crucial Technology Ballistix Tactical 64GB (4x 16GB) 3000 MT/S DDR4 SDRAM (PC4-24000)
- - * {Because, why the fuck not!}

- [$2000] 4x Titan-X Maxwells, 12GB each of unified GDDR5 VRAM, non-SLI mode
- - * {For a crazy total of 12288 Cuda-Cores, for rendering. Nothing-else matters but the core-count and VRAM.}

- [$440] Samsung SSD 960 EVO NVMe M.2 1TB
- - * {This is for the greater majority of my 3D content, which I use frequently, and the OS.}

- [$150] 4TB HDD {No specific desired brand. Anything reliable.}
- - * {This is for the archives of additional graphics and 3D content, use a lot less frequently, and swap-files.}

TOTAL DAMAGE: $6190 USD

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Computer #2 (THE DAY DREAM MACHINE)
- [$100] Thermaltake Suppressor F51 Power Cover Edition E-ATX Mid Tower
- - * {Because this is the cheapest and tested cases which fits the E-ATX motherboard and 4x video-cards.}

- [$160] 1600 watt PSU
- - * {Needs 12v for at-least (4x 6-pin), (5x 8-pin), (1x 4-pin), and (1x 4-pin-flat-connector/adapter)}

- [$200] MSI "X99A-GODLIKE-GAMING" motherboard
- - * {Needs a CPU with 40 lanes to get PCIe x8/x8/x0/x16/x8, for 4x "Titan-X Maxwells" to run.}

- [$435] Intel Core i7-6850K Broadwell-E 6-Core 12-Threads
- - * {This has the 40 lanes required for running 4x Titan-X.}

- [$110] CPU liquid-cooler, 2x 120mm fans, 240mm x 120mm radiator.
- - * {A liquid-cooler is slight luxury here.}

- [$330] Crucial Technology Ballistix Tactical 32GB (2x 16GB) 3000 MT/S DDR4 SDRAM (PC4-24000)
- - * {Because, why the fuck not!}

- [$2000] 4x Titan-X Maxwells, 12GB each of unified GDDR5 VRAM, non-SLI mode
- - * {For a crazy total of 12288 Cuda-Cores, for rendering. Nothing-else matters but the core-count and VRAM.}

- [$150] 4TB HDD {No specific desired brand. Anything reliable.}
- - * {This is for the archives of additional graphics and 3D content, use a lot less frequently, and swap-files.}

TOTAL DAMAGE: $3485 USD

Honestly, I am not even sure if having 8x PCIe lanes is an actual requirement for rendering. The specs usually dictate "gaming minimums" for "running in SLI", as being some kind of actual minimum requirement. I know all cards can "run" with only 1x lanes. I know, because I ran all eight of my Radeon 7970oc cards on just a 1x PCIe extender and this crappy "i7 4790", for my bitcoin miners. (This CPU only has 16 lanes.) However, I wasn't pushing 12GB of images into each card. I know that 16x is overkill, because the 8x lanes never even get "saturated", (used completely, filled with actual data being transferred).

Better to have them all available, just in-case!

 

[Lenor]

Big Brother was my favorite until everyone became a pornstar. Do you have an idea of how to use the CG from the porn movies but with a more believable story?

Do you have an ETA for the first version I could try?

 

[Max Headroom]

I spent the whole day planning my "Dream Machines"... and a few alternate choices.

For those potentially interested in making a bad-ass render-farm rig, here is my shopping-lists. I actually have some of these components. However, this would be my upper and lower limits. I am going to get the "Wet Dream" machine, but without the 1TB M.2 SSD, and with the i9-7900X 10-core, which is only $900. Also, the 1600 watt PSU is already in my possession. Oh, and my single Titan-X will save me another $500 off the price.

Computer #1 (THE WET DREAM MACHINE)
- [$130] RAIJINTEK ASTERION SILVER CLASSIC, an Alu. E-ATX case
- - * {Because this is one of the cheapest and tested cases which fits the E-ATX motherboard and 4x video-cards.}

- [$160] 1600 watt PSU
- - * {Needs 12v for at-least (4x 6-pin), (5x 8-pin), (1x 4-pin), and (1x 4-pin-flat-connector/adapter)}

- [$410] MSI "X299 XPOWER GAMING AC" motherboard
- - * {Needs a CPU with 44 lanes to get PCIe x8/x8/x16/x8, for 4x "Titan-X Maxwells" to run.}

- [$2090] Intel Core i9-7980XE Skylake-X 18-Core 36-Threads
- - * {This has the 44 lanes required for running 4x Titan-X.}

- [$150] CPU liquid-cooler, 3x 120mm fans, 360mm x 120mm radiator.
- - * {Because a liquid-cooler is a requirement for these i9 2066 CPU's}

- [$660] Crucial Technology Ballistix Tactical 64GB (4x 16GB) 3000 MT/S DDR4 SDRAM (PC4-24000)
- - * {Because, why the fuck not!}

- [$2000] 4x Titan-X Maxwells, 12GB each of unified GDDR5 VRAM, non-SLI mode
- - * {For a crazy total of 12288 Cuda-Cores, for rendering. Nothing-else matters but the core-count and VRAM.}

- [$440] Samsung SSD 960 EVO NVMe M.2 1TB
- - * {This is for the greater majority of my 3D content, which I use frequently, and the OS.}

- [$150] 4TB HDD {No specific desired brand. Anything reliable.}
- - * {This is for the archives of additional graphics and 3D content, use a lot less frequently, and swap-files.}

TOTAL DAMAGE: $6190 USD

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Computer #2 (THE DAY DREAM MACHINE)
- [$100] Thermaltake Suppressor F51 Power Cover Edition E-ATX Mid Tower
- - * {Because this is the cheapest and tested cases which fits the E-ATX motherboard and 4x video-cards.}

- [$160] 1600 watt PSU
- - * {Needs 12v for at-least (4x 6-pin), (5x 8-pin), (1x 4-pin), and (1x 4-pin-flat-connector/adapter)}

- [$200] MSI "X99A-GODLIKE-GAMING" motherboard
- - * {Needs a CPU with 40 lanes to get PCIe x8/x8/x0/x16/x8, for 4x "Titan-X Maxwells" to run.}

- [$435] Intel Core i7-6850K Broadwell-E 6-Core 12-Threads
- - * {This has the 40 lanes required for running 4x Titan-X.}

- [$110] CPU liquid-cooler, 2x 120mm fans, 240mm x 120mm radiator.
- - * {A liquid-cooler is slight luxury here.}

- [$330] Crucial Technology Ballistix Tactical 32GB (2x 16GB) 3000 MT/S DDR4 SDRAM (PC4-24000)
- - * {Because, why the fuck not!}

- [$2000] 4x Titan-X Maxwells, 12GB each of unified GDDR5 VRAM, non-SLI mode
- - * {For a crazy total of 12288 Cuda-Cores, for rendering. Nothing-else matters but the core-count and VRAM.}

- [$150] 4TB HDD {No specific desired brand. Anything reliable.}
- - * {This is for the archives of additional graphics and 3D content, use a lot less frequently, and swap-files.}

TOTAL DAMAGE: $3485 USD

Honestly, I am not even sure if having 8x PCIe lanes is an actual requirement for rendering. The specs usually dictate "gaming minimums" for "running in SLI", as being some kind of actual minimum requirement. I know all cards can "run" with only 1x lanes. I know, because I ran all eight of my Radeon 7970oc cards on just a 1x PCIe extender and this crappy "i7 4790", for my bitcoin miners. (This CPU only has 16 lanes.) However, I wasn't pushing 12GB of images into each card. I know that 16x is overkill, because the 8x lanes never even get "saturated", (used completely, filled with actual data being transferred).

Better to have them all available, just in-case!

Maybe you better ask your question here:

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[NoesisAndNoema]

Big Brother was my favorite until everyone became a pornstar. Do you have an idea of how to use the CG from the porn movies but with a more believable story?

Do you have an ETA for the first version I could try?

There is porn movies in there? I haven't seen those yet. Must be in a new version, or in a part I have not reached yet. I got tired of playing after hitting "day 1000", and not getting anywhere after 4 physical hours of playing it.

ETA on first pre-release... Soon... I have two days off, starting tomorrow. I will try to wrap-up the graphics and begin the game-play code and writing. Refer to the first post for recent updates.

GREEN is what I am currently working on.
Crossed-off is what I just finished.
The rest is what is to come, in order.

 

[Ignazzio]

There is porn movies in there? I haven't seen those yet. Must be in a new version, or in a part I have not reached yet. I got tired of playing after hitting "day 1000", and not getting anywhere after 4 physical hours of playing it.

Being a pornstar is a thing in BB for a while. Kira is a pornstar and she's making Ann a pornstar as well. That's the way to justify incest. Ann is making Alice into pornstar. I'm sure Lisa will be a pornstar as well. That's one hell of a plot

 

[NyuNyu]

i don't mind the porn star route in BB but it would of been nice to of had some choices of a career move porn star being the fastest to to bed Ann and some others routes which would be slower to seduce Ann but more opportunities in the long run

 

[xןʞ]

The problem with BB at its core is that is it an incest game made by someone who really doesn't like or want to make an incest game.

 

[NoesisAndNoema]

The problem with BB at its core is that is it an incest game made by someone who really doesn't like or want to make an incest game.

Hmm... For me, it is kind-of the opposite... I am making this non-incest, due to potential loss of my Patreon account, for making this, and to broaden the reach of the "comfortable" audience.

While, honestly, I'd much rather be making this a full incest game. I love reading incest material. It's like incest is, "one of the last taboos", which is honestly nothing more than a social-image thing. There is only about five countries where incest, still practiced socially, with less limitations, has gone-on without any real issues. Real issues = unmanagable.

But I digress... That is a conversation for another forum.

Just adding, in contrast to the first statement above, of mine... The version I am making, will eventually have the incest content available. Either by user-creation, or by blunt third-party creators, as a mod. (Or just use your imagination. The character names are the same, by default.) I am simply creating the pencil and paper for YOU to create the story. I'm selling the guns to you, not running around murdering people for you.

So... I am home now, and back to working on the game. My "time off" starts now! Honestly, I work like 16 hours a day, but only get paid for 4 of them. That sucks, but I enjoy this work, not the work I get paid for. How odd is that?

 

[NightShadeX]

I spent the whole day planning my "Dream Machines"... and a few alternate choices.

For those potentially interested in making a bad-ass render-farm rig, here is my shopping-lists. I actually have some of these components. However, this would be my upper and lower limits. I am going to get the "Wet Dream" machine, but without the 1TB M.2 SSD, and with the i9-7900X 10-core, which is only $900. Also, the 1600 watt PSU is already in my possession. Oh, and my single Titan-X will save me another $500 off the price.

Computer #1 (THE WET DREAM MACHINE)
- [$130] RAIJINTEK ASTERION SILVER CLASSIC, an Alu. E-ATX case
- - * {Because this is one of the cheapest and tested cases which fits the E-ATX motherboard and 4x video-cards.}

- [$160] 1600 watt PSU
- - * {Needs 12v for at-least (4x 6-pin), (5x 8-pin), (1x 4-pin), and (1x 4-pin-flat-connector/adapter)}

- [$410] MSI "X299 XPOWER GAMING AC" motherboard
- - * {Needs a CPU with 44 lanes to get PCIe x8/x8/x16/x8, for 4x "Titan-X Maxwells" to run.}

- [$2090] Intel Core i9-7980XE Skylake-X 18-Core 36-Threads
- - * {This has the 44 lanes required for running 4x Titan-X.}

- [$150] CPU liquid-cooler, 3x 120mm fans, 360mm x 120mm radiator.
- - * {Because a liquid-cooler is a requirement for these i9 2066 CPU's}

- [$660] Crucial Technology Ballistix Tactical 64GB (4x 16GB) 3000 MT/S DDR4 SDRAM (PC4-24000)
- - * {Because, why the fuck not!}

- [$2000] 4x Titan-X Maxwells, 12GB each of unified GDDR5 VRAM, non-SLI mode
- - * {For a crazy total of 12288 Cuda-Cores, for rendering. Nothing-else matters but the core-count and VRAM.}

- [$440] Samsung SSD 960 EVO NVMe M.2 1TB
- - * {This is for the greater majority of my 3D content, which I use frequently, and the OS.}

- [$150] 4TB HDD {No specific desired brand. Anything reliable.}
- - * {This is for the archives of additional graphics and 3D content, use a lot less frequently, and swap-files.}

TOTAL DAMAGE: $6190 USD

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Computer #2 (THE DAY DREAM MACHINE)
- [$100] Thermaltake Suppressor F51 Power Cover Edition E-ATX Mid Tower
- - * {Because this is the cheapest and tested cases which fits the E-ATX motherboard and 4x video-cards.}

- [$160] 1600 watt PSU
- - * {Needs 12v for at-least (4x 6-pin), (5x 8-pin), (1x 4-pin), and (1x 4-pin-flat-connector/adapter)}

- [$200] MSI "X99A-GODLIKE-GAMING" motherboard
- - * {Needs a CPU with 40 lanes to get PCIe x8/x8/x0/x16/x8, for 4x "Titan-X Maxwells" to run.}

- [$435] Intel Core i7-6850K Broadwell-E 6-Core 12-Threads
- - * {This has the 40 lanes required for running 4x Titan-X.}

- [$110] CPU liquid-cooler, 2x 120mm fans, 240mm x 120mm radiator.
- - * {A liquid-cooler is slight luxury here.}

- [$330] Crucial Technology Ballistix Tactical 32GB (2x 16GB) 3000 MT/S DDR4 SDRAM (PC4-24000)
- - * {Because, why the fuck not!}

- [$2000] 4x Titan-X Maxwells, 12GB each of unified GDDR5 VRAM, non-SLI mode
- - * {For a crazy total of 12288 Cuda-Cores, for rendering. Nothing-else matters but the core-count and VRAM.}

- [$150] 4TB HDD {No specific desired brand. Anything reliable.}
- - * {This is for the archives of additional graphics and 3D content, use a lot less frequently, and swap-files.}

TOTAL DAMAGE: $3485 USD

Honestly, I am not even sure if having 8x PCIe lanes is an actual requirement for rendering. The specs usually dictate "gaming minimums" for "running in SLI", as being some kind of actual minimum requirement. I know all cards can "run" with only 1x lanes. I know, because I ran all eight of my Radeon 7970oc cards on just a 1x PCIe extender and this crappy "i7 4790", for my bitcoin miners. (This CPU only has 16 lanes.) However, I wasn't pushing 12GB of images into each card. I know that 16x is overkill, because the 8x lanes never even get "saturated", (used completely, filled with actual data being transferred).

Better to have them all available, just in-case!

Why can't you go with AMD ThreadRipper with 64 lane PCI-E and Quad-channel memory instead of the Intel dual channel memory? AMD ThreadRipper has more cores and thread at low price vs Intel.

 

[NoesisAndNoema]

Why can't you go with AMD ThreadRipper with 64 lane PCI-E and Quad-channel memory instead of the Intel dual channel memory? AMD ThreadRipper has more cores and thread at low price vs Intel.

I could... but... (I like the color blue more.)

There is no 18 core ThreadRipper, yet... The fastest one is the 1950X, with 16 cores.

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ThreadRipper is also designed to be a faster gaming processor, not a number-crunching multi-media, render-farm manager. (Though, that is not entirely true.)

With all the "bad reviews", I expect the i9-7980XE, to fall to $1000 real fast. (Reviews are from those with money to buy it, talking to others with money to buy them. All complaining about the heat-issues. Mostly gamers and overclockers, but render-farm builders are also taking heed to the potential issues. Honestly, it isn't an actual issue. It is overclockers trying to have their cake and eat it too. Bumping up speeds and voltages, instead of doing like they should be doing, swapping higher clocks and dropping voltages to keep it balanced.)

Still, you are right... AMD is the better choice for initial investment. Just not the best choice for speed/cost-to-operate. (My choices are not much better. I will surely be minimizing the clocks and voltages to get a better low-power profile.)

The TDP of my current chip is 65W, which is cooled by this tiny air-cooler, because I keep it on a nice low power profile.

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The TDP of an i9-7980XE is 165 watts. Same for the i9-7960X, which has the same number of cores.

The TDP of an AMD Ryzen ThreadRipper 1950X is 180 watts.

However, running in real world use, both are nearly similar "at the wall" power consumption. The "trick" to the i9 CPU's is that they moved the voltage-regulation demands outside the chip. Just like how they made x-box's smaller and cooler by removing the power-supply from the computer. The down-side is that there was a horrible miscommunication on chips demands, and the initial voltage regulators they built, couldn't handle the excess power demands. Thus, they are horribly inefficient on most motherboards. Except the one I have in the dream-list.

A better setup would be to get a cheap-ass quad-CPU or dual-CPU motherboard, and some older xenon processors which are dirt cheap and have TDP's down to 35 watts. Live with the slower loading 4x PCIe connections, and setup 8x Titan-X's as a full remote system. (Each CPU having only 8GB of dedicated RAM and one shared SSD with only 32GB on it.)

But, then my production development would be reduced by 400% again. 95% of my creation involves the need for fast feedback, now. Rendering is something that can be done while I am away.

 

[NoesisAndNoema]

I just finished the "main cast" characters. The rest will be done as needed.



All images have been "adjusted" (trimmed the fat and aligned correctly), resized to actual use sizes, and renamed for RenPy format, for side-images with name-tags and emote-tags.

Why all that?
1: Because the images were over-sized with a lot of dead-space that was "invisible", in the alpha-layer.
2: Because the images were 2x larger than they needed to be. That is 4x the volume of "pixels" needed to draw them.
3: Because the names were unintuitive to writing.

What RenPy does, is this... If I type [you "Hello"], it displays your "side" image. "side you.png". If I type [you sad "I am sad"], it displays your "side" image, which has a tag of "sad" in it... It gets complex, when you do shit like this. [you sad wink green-hat "Going to work!"]

It also allows me to do this... [show you happy], which will hot-swap the "sad" image and replace it with the "happy" one, for you, on the side of the dialogue box. (As opposed to replacing the one on the scene window.)

The scene window... That will be the next potential major file-savings. In RenPy, you usually have a common background, or a few... with the characters as individual overlays. Here, everything is a whole new image, which is a waste of space for the game. Much of it, like the dressing-rooms, will become modular images. One dressing-room background and hot-swapped overlays for each character and outfit. But, that is another future task. One that isn't required for the initial launch.

The update says I am working on the alternate locations... Shops and shit. (I am doing that too... For the graphics.)

Mostly, I am getting into the dirty code now... Setting-up the days/hours, locations, character schedules and associated functions.

Still have a little more to do, before I finish the full interactions.

 

[SDaddy666]

this looks really awesome !

 

[rhev]

So much work just to get things standardized. big ups to you.

 

[NoesisAndNoema]

Slight potential delay... Have to move on the 15th, to an apartment. (Downsizing, losing the house to the estate.)

That should only stall me for about four or five days. Things will get a LOT faster once these payments start coming through. I will have 100% of my time to work on all of my games. Minus sleeping time, which is only about 6 hours a day, for me.

 

[rhev]

Minus sleeping time, which is only about 6 hours a day, for me.

Sleep is for the weak. I'm a 6 hour a day guy myself.

 

[Deepthroatme]

6 hrs yes please haven't had that much since 17th June 2009, normally 2 - 3 but on a bad night 15 mins

 

[NoesisAndNoema]

I managed to get more tweaking to the GUI done.

Completed the "Questions", bubbles. Now the game will reflect "who" asked you something, or it will just be a question posed by the narrator, without an identity. The third type of question is a "blank", which only give you the answers to select, without a question... (Used to "do things", when there is no-one around and there is no actual question to ask.)

I also did some slight modifications to all the other dialogue-boxes, to adjust for the new screen-style format.

Two more issues to resolve, which may not be actual issues, once I finish the "game loop"... So, I am holding-off on those.

I can actually do some formal dialogue and actions now. Without the game looking like the cheezy RenPy default 1990's style visual-novel.

 

[rhev]

I can actually do some formal dialogue and actions now. Without the game looking like the cheezy RenPy default 1990's style visual-novel.

I read that comment as a subtle way of saying "Without looking like 87% of the renpy games out there." Is that just me?

 

[SDaddy666]

i can't encourage you enough to create one (at least) more room in the house : the basement. Because it can be used as many purposes but mostly as a sex dungeon for eric or whatever to use, and it could be forbidden at the beginning of the game.

It can also be used as a spare room for a guest, as a playroom, as a laundry room etc. could help you with your story.