Patreon Is Hardening Their 'Adult Content' Guidelines. Discussion Thread
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- Jul 5, 2017
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Eric was scrapped because everyone was crying and complaining about NTR until he got fed up and had him removed.
- Aug 12, 2017
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Pretty sure its already been said but how in the fuck is incest even a problem when Game of Thrones is as big as it is?
What's really annoying is that their guidelines specifically call Game of Thrones acceptable.
Intimate Relations, btw, is still in early dev. But I like the story so far its one of the few games with a proactive female character, something Ptolemy seems good at.
Proactive females are nice. I get tired of just constantly taking advantage and manipulating, it definitely has its perks but we need some variety. I'm also planning to give Dreaming of Dana a spin too, which is also by them if I remember correctly, so hopefully I have good things in store.
That is annoying. and then there's the books where every one is like 15. Great thing about animation and games is they should be allowed the same freedoms as books, considering real people aren't needed to create the vision.
Dreaming of dana is amazing as well. Its one of the games I recommend anyone who asks.
Yeah, I forget about the ages of the characters in the books. Is Dany even 15 when Khal Drogo marries her? Sansa too, will be quite young. Though I'm not sure if a rape scene has been written for her yer... I seem to remember they used her friend as Arya instead of giving Ramsay Sansa...
These are all the basic qualities of the dating sim. There are a million of them. Eric is a unique element, however there are a few problems I have with him beyond the NTR element. The way Eric shows up and becomes such a powerful character in the story so quickly makes no sense. The lame excuse that your mom is such a sub that anyone can make her do anything doesn't make sense and it hasn't been used since. The next thing I have a problem with is how he makes himself your enemy so quickly. Sure you have the option to go along with him, but the way he confronts you doesn't activate the average persons willingness to be amicable. Unless you are a cuck, you would fight Eric.
If Eric had instead ingratiated himself into the family slowly earning all of your affection and then you'd caught him peeping on your sister or trying to seduce one of them things would have made much more sense. Sure you'd have NTR haters squealing still, but I like the idea of an antagonist that isn't time or a need to get laid.
So again I'm left with what is a basic game breaking no new ground with terrible writing. The only thing it has ever had going for it was its quality renders and it has never invested back into the project to make those better. Big Brother had some potential, yes, but it was handled ham fistedly and never reached that potential. To call it professional or a higher quality game than a Visual Novel is either ignorance or simply a result of Sunk Cost Fallacy. If Dark Silver had used its success to jump to something bigger, say a Life is Strange style story game, then we could talk about breaking ground in the Adult Gaming world and the difference between Dark Silver and other developers in terms of Professional quality. But he didn't he continued stringing people along on his basic af project that he lucked into getting recognition and money from.
I sound like I'm condemning Dark Silver, and I don't really mean to. He made what he wanted to make and I don't hold the fact that he cashed in against him. What I resent is the implication that he represents anything about the adult gaming industry other than a lucky break. He isn't some paragon of professionalism, he squirmed and gave in to fan demands to get rid of eric, never used the money he made to increase the quality, and overall just did the thing that was safe for him. I seriously think that if Big Brother came out now it would be seen as just another dating sim. It is an anomoly, nothing more.
- May 8, 2017
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Look at BB's UI, skillpoints and skillchecks and tell me which game before BB had something similiar? Now we have Au Pair Innocence, School Love Cousins, Man Of The House which are copying BB's UI. Before BB there were only VNs and RPG Maker games on Patreon. We can argue that Lesson Of Passion had similiar structure in a few games but LOPs are small, browser games. That's pretty unique. In fact when it comes to UI BB is still much better than any of mentioned games cuz DS is pretty good in coding and he uses Unity. I'm not saying it's better or worse than VN but definitely initially it was more ambitious and required much more skills. I know nothing about coding but I would be able to create VN somehow but I wouldn't be able to create anything like BB
Its use of skillpoints and skillchecks is basic dating sim territory. It's UI isn't any different from any of the millions of dating sims out there. Seriously I was playing flash games on Newgrounds 10 years ago with the same mechanics. He didn't do anything new. I am not sure what you have against VN, quite honestly I find them to be higher quality and substantial than any dating sim model I've ever played. I guess that's just a difference in taste, but I prefer a linear story with branching choices to a superficial gotta fuck'em'all model like you find in most dating sims. The fact that Unity takes more skill than Ren'py is irrelevant to the subject of the games overall quality. I agree that he did create something that had potential, but the fact that the potential is squandered and not realised means that he failed to make something worthwhile and therefore isn't worthy of the praise.
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Man, I have nothing against VNs. I love VNs. Especially real, Japanese, not-really-porn VNs. It's just that renpy VNs and RPG Maker games are most common types of games we have. Nothing wrong with that as lot of them has great quality but they're just not unique. You're right about dating sims but none was created on Patreon and almost every single dating sim is a small, browser game. Nothing similiar to BB was present here. Once again, I'm not praising BB for being better than anything else as it's not. VNs aren't worse than sandboxish mechanic BB have. But in terms of being something special BB is out there. Can you mention 1 game that's not a sim dating browser game or LOP that has similiar mechanic? Not to say about similiar scale as all these games are for 10 minutes playthrough. Uniqueness is something positive and I can't see a reason to say BB isn't when it clearly is. It's crappy right now but putting that aside it was very much different than other games on Patreon
- Jun 10, 2017
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A lot of the Japaneses adult RPG from the 90's. And in the 90's it probably wasn't an innovation, but I was too young in the 80's. But even without this, the middle of the 00's was the age of Flash sim date. At this time you couldn't browse a single site dedicated to Flash games without finding two/three of them by page, and almost all of them had this feature.
I understand that you love BB, but honestly it sole innovation was to use Unity, which made him look more professional than the average RPGmaker/Ren'py game at this time.
This said, is it really the place to talk about this ?
DS have been hit by Patreon's hammer, it's a shame, but what is surprising is that he wasn't hit before. It raise a lot of questions in my mind, because BB have a lot of supporters, like you, but also a lot of haters because of God Eric. This mean that it's one of the game which make the more noise... and still it's hit so late.
Game with way less fame, raising way less money and which make almost not a single noise because people gently wait for the next update, have been hit months ago. This even if they are less incest based or in a so early stage that it's almost if you can really say that it will have real incest content.
I tried to find something on topic on last 2 pages, but I was unsuccessful.
Anyway, I hope that I am not interrupting you?
I wonder what are options now for us that are starting or planing to develop games with prohibited subjects?
I don't intend to invest 20-30% more effort on already complex project, to have hidden parts that will be unlocked with some crack. This complicates thing very much for me.
I can only give up entirely.
Anyway, I hope that I am not interrupting you?
I wonder what are options now for us that are starting or planing to develop games with prohibited subjects?
I don't intend to invest 20-30% more effort on already complex project, to have hidden parts that will be unlocked with some crack. This complicates thing very much for me.
I can only give up entirely.
If youre starting off first make your tiers reasonable. If you dont know anything about discord learn. Because discord is your friend especially when it comes to discussing the game with your supporters such as what content your game has. Its also an incentive to pledge more. Your page should be pretty clean. Do not show any characters that might look underage.
Just don't advertise/promote the "forbidden" shit. I'm 99% sure Patreon doesn't play the games. Just make what you want to make, fuck the powers that be. I guarantee the more you stick to your guns, the more ppl will try to support you. Because how easy some of this devs fold under pressure is disheartening.
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I'm not BB's supporter. I really don't like it even tho I really liked first few versions. I see no reason to argue. You mentioned yourself there was no such game on western Patreon market before BB. Small flesh games aren't really anything worth mentioning and our market became what it is with Patreon. But let's end this offtop.
DS said Patreon wants him to remove incest and they have some issues with underage. He's kinda crushed tho I'm sure he should be prepared for that a long time ago
I just don't understand how young looking characters are a problem when some porn stars look 15/16. Grown women look young as fuck sometimes. We as a community really have to find a way to stand up to all this censoring bullshit.
I'm in love with Andrea and will go back to it from time to time to see how I can progress with here, but I didn't enjoy it too much. Felt like I was just replaying the same day over and over. Pretty much every time there was dialogue I'd skip through it because it was the same as the day before's and pretty much every encounter is a repeat encounter