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Recommending NTR, netorare, cuckold - resources, discussion, development
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All I can say is that my definition is from a curated wiki that requires sources, their definition is from VNDB.
I knew the term NTR and Cuckold long before I got into adult gaming and I knew it in the context of a complicit cheating relationship. Understand, complicit doesn't mean that you like it all the time, only that you are aware of it. That is why I used the Kira and Eric example to explain it. Max doesn't like that Eric is fucking Kira, but Max is complicit. We can use Max again for another example in the scene where he gets caught peeping and Eric lets him watch, in this we have the other form, the form where Max is getting excited from seeing his mom, who he does see as a sexual partner, fucked by another man.
All these type a b c whatever have nothing to do with any definition I've seen outside VNDB so either VNDB is the god of NTR, or they're wrong.
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Mostly you are right. Because backstreet of bar scene with 2 guy i can still consider it as NTR.
before this turns into an argument like always
NTR could mean both,
simply lets say there are 3 people involved .. a hubby, a wife and a guy
the verbs the Japanese use if the wife had sex with the guy are as following :
1- for the wife it's iwaki = cheating ( behind her hubby's back ).
2- for the guy it's nettori = stealing someone's SO ( could be with or without the husband's knowledge ).
3- for the hubby it's netorare = roughly translated as ''my SO has been stolen from me'' ( either he likes it then he's a cuck and might gets involved in watching ... etc or he doesn't like it and just feel jealous and heartbroken ).
now can we move on and enjoy the game
source:
i am a Japanese speaker + years of stumbling upon netorare materials by mistake while looking for cheating videos/games ( my fetish)
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Sorry but: There is no netorase in his definitions.
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Ok, so I've been assuming you were just mispelling netorare, but I am wrong, whats worse, is that now looking up netorase it is the version where you want to watch, Sooooo
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Both are Passive, that's true, but the key-difference have nothing to do with forced or not forced, the Key Difference is about the Feelings of the Girl/Woman. Cuckoldry doesn't mean that your Wife/Girl is stolen from you, but she enjoy's another Man. The Feelings she have (love) is still for you and you only. While Netorare she developes Feelings for other Men due how good Sex feels or (though it's hardly common in NTR Mangas/Games etc) because he threats her more niceley).
@darthseduction
But it also could be that either he misunderstood the meanings(like Kara already mentioned there is als "Netorase") or if it would be true, that there is an different between western Cuckoldry and japanese Cuckoldry. Because like i mentioned - in western cuckoldry isn't like your Wife/Girl is stolen from you... while in almost every Netorare Manga and such i read the Wife/Girl swaps to the Guy who fucked her silly, - and the few exceptions where she not leave her Boyfriend is often due the new Partner want it more exciting(cheating on his back)...
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cuckold (Netorase NTRS) is not always with submissive guy. When it is forced cuckold it will be also in NTR definition.
Now is the Question if he meant Passive or Submissive. While it's true that cuckoldry can also be begun on the side of the man because he wanted to watched her fucked by different man, in both cases the Husband/Boyfriend is passive and don't involve in the act, until the Wife/Girlfriend said so... so i would also count that as "passive" because he doesn't take any active role on his side.
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you're right. but a subtle difference. Can the wife make her husband lick the lover's cum. or not? Or suck his cock, where are the differences?
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That's because in "Porn"(in reality not) i like this Genre's. NTR might be not my Favorite, because in the end someone is hurt, but i like it when in Porn Games the Girls let go and have fun^^You really know this shit.
In this case it's up the Cuckold-Relationship of both. Obviously even in this Fetish there are differences, and there is like softcore and hardcore Cuckoldry.( If i remember correctly, there are even three different types of cuckoldry...)
So if it's more the "Hardcore" Nature - yeah she can ask him to lick his Cum... and so on...
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This additional explanation is rather helpful. I admit after reading your first definition for the word "complicit" my mind went to "knowing and accepting" rather than "knowing and tolerating"... there is a big difference. I think I understand it a little better now. Thanks you.
I too am much more familiar with the terms as they are found outside of adult gaming, but within the gaming community of which I am a part, the whole ntr thing is used more often so I'm trying to adapt to the nomenclature.
This is also a good point, in that in cucking (as I know it) the point in not to leave your partner but to inspire certain feelings (either positive or negative) in you partner... and maybe get yourself a little sex too. Women do love sex too after all, they are not just objects that act as a nexus to tie men together in various relationships. From my understanding though, the feeling isn't necessary love (I was more familiar with the term cuck'ing as a humiliation kind of thing) and that's where the whole line with Hotwifing gets blurred for me. By all means it can be love, but not always. Your distinction between the focus on her SO or on her sex partner is very helpful to me. Thanks for that.
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Yes i can`t wish NTR even for my worst enemy in real life lol.
If we don`t take these games so seriously, we can have fun with these games.
Yeah, i don't like that either. That's is kind of gay. Though i don't mind a bit of Femdom..
@BeWilder
I would say, even if i made this distinctive explanation, the truth is, for "normal" Folks it won't make any difference anyway, because if it comes down NTR, Cuckoldry, Swinging/Sharing, or generally cheating, for them everything is the same. They still have an different Partner for Sex, while they have already an Relationship, that's why it doesn't change that much for them. But for People who enjoy this Genre's, there is an key difference. In Cuckoldry(atleast if it isn't bound to NTR), Swinging/Sharing i don't feel the emptiness which comes with NTR. Because in this Aspects clearly it shows that the Woman actually loves her Husband/Boyfriend. It's simply an Fetish for them which (normally) both of them enjoy(if not the Boyfriend would already left. Cheating(Tag) is a bit more hardcore, because while she still might have sex with different man behind the back of his Boyfriend/Husband, she still seems to love him and don't want to become the Sexual Activitys to become more. But Netorare is absolute, it's aimed to the full humilation of the boyfriend/husband and have some way depressive ending.(There are some exceptions though).
So straight to my Point:
For People who aren't interested in these Genre's even with this difference it won't make any kind of difference. If you want and believen in have only sex with your one partner, it doesn't matter what the reason is for someone to fuck another person. But for People who enjoy let's say the more open sexuality - there is an difference in which way the Story is presented. Did someone take it away from me, or do i want to share and enjoy the view, and let her have fun.
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Cucking is meant as kind of humilation, but it differs from case to case. I know there is also some Cucking-Action made by Woman to make revenge for like if the husband have cheated. But if you ask me - in this Case it isn't cuckoldry in sense of an Fetish or even further - in case of Games and Mangas in an Genre. And i would go as far and say, modern cuckoldry isn't such an Revenge thing anymore, it's truly an Fetish for more masochistic/submissive People.
But even considered that, i still wouldn't call it Netorare but simply cheating, but this Revenge-Thing doesn't mean she loves the Partner she had or will leave the husband for that guy, but simply used him to have revenge.
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Hotwife normally is simply an term for an Wife who is allowed to have an open relationship. Like you mentioned, in this case there isn't that kind of Humilation behind it, it's simply she can fucks who she want. Cuckoldry still have the thing that he have/wants to watch. So i understand why it gets blurry for you...
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Thank's u2.You`re NTR pro.
God blesses you and keeps NTR away from you
By the way - i like your signature. Harley Quinn ftw - i'm still dissapointed that there isn't an proper h-game with her^^