VN Ren'Py Where the Heart Is [Season 1 Beta] [CheekyGimp]

[Skylaroo]

You correctly point out that points = something Katie likes, but nothing prior to chapter 8 lead me to believe that either she or the MC were sociopathic enough to carry out rape and publicly destroying someone's psyche and reputation.

Correct. And now you know that Katie is crazy enough to do that, you can control the MC to not do that if you want to. You, as the MC, have the choice to not go that crazy. If you consider Katie as more important, then be willing to be as crazy as her. If you consider it's too crazy to do, then don't do it. It's pretty straight forward.

Think about it like IRL. You like this girl, you've gone on dates a few times with her, then suddenly she told you that she wanted to do revenge porn to her ex-bf and wanted your help. Do you help her out or not? If you really want to bang her, you'd help her. If you feel that it's wrong and not something you can do, then dodge the crazy lady. It's completely in your hands of what you do.

Paths where the MC acts like a D-bag are not the paths that reward points..

The fundamental issue here is that you're trying to split the paths into "Gentleman" (points) and "D-bag" (no points). While in reality, the paths are "what Katie likes" (points) and "what Katie doesn't like" (no points). Your inability to separate the two is becoming a problem because you're trying to fit a square peg into a round hole and be upset that it didn't fit.

This episode was so different from everything that came before, it felt like a radical shift that signaled a new direction.

With all due respect, it showed that you haven't been paying attention to the story. Yes it's very different, but this revenge during the party has been mentioned and planned since very early on in the game. This revenge/party was Katie's main plot story. We just didn't know how far it would've gone to. This is by no means a radical shift, nor signal to a new direction. This is something that happened because it's Katie's main plot (up to that point). Episode 9 with Jenna being the focus would have nothing to do with being a douche because the plot for that is not about being a douche.

Sexual assault? I guess we all have different definitions. I saw it more as a rude prank. Maybe that's benevolent sexism. I guess I judged it on the outcome of Monica being not that mad about it and actually eventually liking that it happened. I doubt Roger is going to feel like that about his situation.

Of course it's sexual assault. What else would you consider a woman grabbing a guy's junk if not sexual assault? Reverse the gender, and this is Donald Trump's famous line "Grab them by their pussy".

Oh, come on. This game has more incest related dialogue than your typical incest game. Replete with plenty of "Oh God, what am I doing" and "I'm so fucked up!" dialogue after you molest your fake family. You even get to call Monica "mommy" at multiple points in the game. This game is clearly meant to imitate an incest game and just didn't go all out because of Patreon or to be "different", but it's an incest game.

Again, it clearly showed you haven't been paying attention whatsoever about the story. Monica is not a "landlady" or a "step-mom" to bypass Patreon because there exist the actual step-mom in the storyline. The main story plot is also about the mysterious email that Monica received though the MC didn't send it.

It's interesting how one can be so disgusted by revenge porn in a video game, but completely be okay with incest to the point of considering something as incest even if it wasn't intended to.

True, but I was talking about the interactions with Katie.

Yes, but we've established that interaction with Katie would give you points if you do what Katie likes. What Katie likes isn't necessarily just you being a gentleman. Their relationship has always been full of lewd jokes, and I wouldn't consider spanking her at the gym as being gentleman-ly either. Same deal with trying to touch her specific body parts when putting sunscreen on her.

 

[fitgirlbestgirl]

With all due respect, it showed that you haven't been paying attention to the story. Yes it's very different, but this revenge during the party has been mentioned and planned since very early on in the game. This revenge/party was Katie's main plot story. We just didn't know how far it would've gone to. This is by no means a radical shift, nor signal to a new direction. This is something that happened because it's Katie's main plot (up to that point). Episode 9 with Jenna being the focus would have nothing to do with being a douche because the plot for that is not about being a douche.

"We just didn't know how far it would've gone to" That's the point. You can't just go "well, we knew this party was going to happen to how can you be surprised" when my whole point was that the radical shift I'm talking about is in the MC's and Katie's behavior. Nothing in the game was even remotely close to that before Episode 8.

Of course it's sexual assault. What else would you consider a woman grabbing a guy's junk if not sexual assault? Reverse the gender, and this is Donald Trump's famous line "Grab them by their pussy".

The MC wanted her to do that though.

Again, it clearly showed you haven't been paying attention whatsoever about the story. Monica is not a "landlady" or a "step-mom" to bypass Patreon because there exist the actual step-mom in the storyline. The main story plot is also about the mysterious email that Monica received though the MC didn't send it.

My point has never been that I don't understand the "story" and think it actually is an incest game, my point is that all the character interactions and relationships are clearly designed to mimick incest relationships. If you changed the story and made Monica the MC's mother and Katie and Jenna his sisters 95% of the dialogue and interactions would play out exactly the same.

It's interesting how one can be so disgusted by revenge porn in a video game, but completely be okay with incest to the point of considering something as incest even if it wasn't intended to.

Incest is something that can happen between consenting adults and isn't designed solely to hurt and traumatize another person to the point of destroying their life, but otherwise great point.

 

[morphnet]

First i think you guys should thank the devs, they have clearly created a story that has caused you to think outside of a game about your own values and then feel strongly enough to talk about them in forums, that is good writing.

Secondly opinions are one thing facts as accepted by society are another, please refer to the link

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it was sexual assault not rape as defined by law not personal opinion. As for the MC's change in personality it is a tested method of story telling used in many cases, for example superman story where he has killed lex luthor and general zod, going completely against the personality we all believed him to have. The shock value alone story wise was great but it also caused people to think what they might do if pushed to those limits. good story telling there.

Third
incest
/ˈɪnsɛst/
noun
noun: incest

1. sexual relations between people classed as being too closely related to marry each other.
   • the crime of having sexual intercourse with a parent, child, sibling, or grandchild.

sexual roleplay
1. Acting out a fantasy while engaging in sexual activity. Each person takes on a character role. This may include dressing up for the roles, using props, and/or creating or finding the right setting.

pretending to have incest is a fetish and people roleplaying it talk to each other as if they were related and roleplay but no matter what they do or say they ARE NOT related and so it is not and never will be incest. Dialog no matter what it is doesn't change the facts that the MC is not related by blood or marriage to the three women he is living with so it is not incest. Just once again good writing.

Also remember this is a game and adding fetishes into a porn game to reach the largest audience is just good business. On top of that a game that stirs such strong feelings in people is a good thing.

 

[fitgirlbestgirl]

First i think you guys should thank the devs, they have clearly created a story that has caused you to think outside of a game about your own values and then feel strongly enough to talk about them in forums, that is good writing.

lol, please don't do that. Next you'll tell me The Last Jedi was the best Star Wars movie because it "subverted your expectations" or "started a conversation." Just because something is terrible enough for people to talk about it doesn't make it good or valuable, it just means people thought it was bad enough to stop fapping and complain on the forums.

 

[Snugglepuff]

lol, please don't do that. Next you'll tell me The Last Jedi was the best Star Wars movie because it "subverted your expectations" or "started a conversation." Just because something is terrible enough for people to talk about it doesn't make it good or valuable, it just means people thought it was bad enough to stop fapping and complain on the forums.

In all fairness though, this would make for a better Star Wars movie than The Last Jedi.

 

[Skylaroo]

"We just didn't know how far it would've gone to" That's the point. You can't just go "well, we knew this party was going to happen to how can you be surprised" when my whole point was that the radical shift I'm talking about is in the MC's and Katie's behavior. Nothing in the game was even remotely close to that before Episode 8.

You're confusing things. Look again at what we were talking about when I made that comment. We were talking about you using what happened on Episode 8 (1 episode) to judge the whole game (8 episodes) and I didn't think it's fair that your dislike of Episode 8 suddenly override what you've enjoyed in the previous 7 episodes. You then in return talked about how Episode 8 was a radical shift that signaled a new direction.

I agree with you that Episode 8 has been nothing like the previous 7 episodes. But I disagreed with your conclusion that it signaled a new direction because Episode 9 has nothing to do with Episode 8. If the Roger/Natasha revenge arc is fully concluded in Episode 8, then Katie would also have a new storyline to follow which has nothing to do with Episode 8 either. You're free to completely hate Episode 8, but understand that it's contained in that one single episode and not affecting the future/whole game unless dev suddenly introduced more ex-boyfriends that Katie wanted revenge on.

The MC wanted her to do that though.

Please replay the game again. MC multiple times stated that he didn't understand what Monica was talking about, and MC didn't expect her to grab his dick. She grabbed his dick anyway.

My point has never been that I don't understand the "story" and think it actually is an incest game, my point is that all the character interactions and relationships are clearly designed to mimick incest relationships. If you changed the story and made Monica the MC's mother and Katie and Jenna his sisters 95% of the dialogue and interactions would play out exactly the same.

This is probably the single dumbest thing I've read. It's like if a porn game is about MC trying to bang a woman and her daughters, then suddenly it mimics incest game lol wtf. There is zero interaction in the game that mimics mother-son or brother-sister relationship at all. Some people are just so desperate.

 

[morphnet]

lol, please don't do that. Next you'll tell me The Last Jedi was the best Star Wars movie because it "subverted your expectations" or "started a conversation." Just because something is terrible enough for people to talk about it doesn't make it good or valuable, it just means people thought it was bad enough to stop fapping and complain on the forums.

First all the recent star wars movies have broken from the originals story and stories licenced by lucas. I think they may be trying to pull the same thing as new star trek without temporal anomalies >.<

second movies have often been used to get messages across to the public and get them thinking / talking e.g. 1984 this is a porn game you're meant to go oooo aaaw then fap and forget till horny again I was only pointing out this one made people do more than complain about a part of it but also discuss real life values i haven't seen that before on Phub.

Also i thought you were being a little unfair by taking things out of context and using words like "rape" and "incest" and thought i would try give you another way to look at it and maybe ease your discomfort after that last chapter.

Also if some bitch needs me to set up rapes and revenge porn for her honor I'm probably out of there. Personal preference.

Again out of context, no rape took place and if you put the "revenge porn" into context (although it is not actualy revenge porn)both had said she had slept with him, what the MC did in that situation was the same thing they did to katie but MC added image to it the end result was the same. Now natasha knows what katie was going through and it was only shown to a small group of people, the rest of the school will only hear about it and gossip placing natasha in the same shoes katie was in. MC never uploaded it to the internet.
Also it was natasha's ideas to have the show and tell in the first place showing her true colours again, as well as Roger blabbing again about getting revenge on MC and natasha by having katie give him a BJ, showing again his true colours too. In the end no rape or revenge porn is in the game. I refer you to the following link and information in it hope this helps you see the game in a slightly different light

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"The term "revenge porn" generally refers to the uploading of this sexually explicit material to humiliate and intimidate the subject, who has broken off the relationship. The term is also often misused to describe non 'revenge' scenarios, including nonconsensual pornography distributed by hackers or by individuals seeking profit or notoriety. "

 

[Deleted member 42]

Ignoring the text wall around there...anyone got news on upcoming update? haven't been able to keep up with the game so far

 

[mickster101]

lol, please don't do that. Next you'll tell me The Last Jedi was the best Star Wars movie because it "subverted your expectations" or "started a conversation." Just because something is terrible enough for people to talk about it doesn't make it good or valuable, it just means people thought it was bad enough to stop fapping and complain on the forums.

While I personally like this game, I absolutely love your Last Jedi reference. I could almost see that smug hobbit Rian Johnson when you said "subverted your expectations." God, what a douche!
As for the game, I can see people's issues or concerns, but I mostly just find it a pleasant time filler when I need one.

 

[Broarmy2107]

And lastly (all caught up I think). Big thanks to those that have posted reviews of the game. Your detailed comments are much appreciated! @restlessspirit4 @Deeexxx @lewdman89 @Jaroslav @dbp5ca @MichaelMyers @Endrju @lockhear @tezster @Kukothemadhatter @Jerkov @Red6fire @Led @lokoper @Raife @BeastMaster59 @Eiffel @lannyboy @Venomosity
Genuinely makes me happy that people are enjoying it!

Hello sir, Thank you for making such an awesome game ! i really enjoyed it so far. I hope that the mother will get some atention in future updates

 

[ScotColeman]

I apologize if this has already been posted, but I'm new to this game, and I don't feel like searching through 168 pages of chat to find the answer. Has anyone got an error when you go to watch the movie with Katie? I keep getting booted, and there doesn't seem to be a way around it.

 

[repuindy]

I apologize if this has already been posted, but I'm new to this game, and I don't feel like searching through 168 pages of chat to find the answer. Has anyone got an error when you go to watch the movie with Katie? I keep getting booted, and there doesn't seem to be a way around it.

If you can't ignore it post a log here under spoiler and ask help directly to the developer. Just write @CheekyGimp and post the log. Meantime maybe someone can help you with the log, there is a ton of smart people here.

 

[milfhunter123]

how to increase the lust of each woman?

 

[tehcatsmiaw]

how to increase the lust of each woman?

Go to the gym, buy some nice clothes, act uninterested and always wait 1 day to text after your first date.

 

[Xypher]

So... when does the next episode come out?

 

[MrGigi]

Hi !

În episode/day 8, we can have sex with Monica?

 

[Ignatz]

Monica is not that easy. But, think of MC as the Borg and you know it is just a matter of time...

 

[User_32285]

Monica is not that easy. But, think of MC as the Borg and you know it is just a matter of time...

Borg ->7 of 9 -> mental drooling

 

[Ignatz]

Heh. Sounds like a good idea for Cheeky's Halloween episode next year...

 

[John Winkel]

Monica is not that easy. But, think of MC as the Borg and you know it is just a matter of time...

Monica would be the Queen of MY collective!!! (I shit you not!!)