Ren'Py Abandoned What a Legend! [v0.6.02] [MagicNuts]

[KillerBee487]

The game is good you're right. The release between update seems a bit exaggerated to say the least. I think people here are fed up with fake promises. I mean 2 years to get a few tenth of percentages every couple days (it was a couple percentages by the start of the V0.7) they clearly are shiftless. Plus now 100% content is claimed, they start increasing tenth of percentages every day of "polishing", seems like a joke.

Yeah ok we don't have to pay for the release, i don't support them on patreon for this particular reason. The amount of time between updates seems out of reason, and I think it's ok tu put a finger on those milking behaviors and - i hope i'm wrong - fake promises.

Sometimes I feel like CountMorado, and I don't really want to.
But this thing has been explained a thousand times along the thread, and the trolls, the lazy ones, and the ones who want to see the world burn keep throwing knives over and over and over.

We all know why the game is getting late, but both devs are/were/had been crystal clear from the beggining. Even with the polishing phase, they said TWICE that it was gonna take a few months minimum.

Now, I really want to ask you all who are fed up and always raging the thread with all this nonsensical comments:
Why do you continue to treat honest, hard-working developers like this?
There is hardly a single game that is as transparent, as consistent and as professionalized as What a Legend on the entire forum.

They're taking their time and you're really pissed off, understandably.
But it's a shame that the transparency these two work with is so vilified and they finally choose to remove the progress bar and end up working like most developers on this site.
Really, it would be a truly shame

 

[moskyx]

Honestly how does the progress bar even work? I feel like 9/10 I don't understand the real progress behind the scene, progress bar just shouldn't exist IMO, it just creates toxic expectation. We don't really know how much those percentages actually calculate in real time

But at the end of the day it's free, so unless you're paying, your voice doesn't matter. As much as I dislike patreon milking, those things are optional and people who complain when they don't pay just sound salty. (Am I jelly they are making banks while I toil in minimum wage? Who doesn't... Just check their Patreon earning it's 7k a month for 2 people... not exactly millionaire wage)

I don't really understand the hate toward the progress tracker. How it works? Well, it's explained in the faq section: they plan in advance how many 'tasks' (an arbitrary measure of their work, based on their experience) would be needed to complete the update, and then they keep updating their progress, adding on a daily basis both the tasks they've completed and the new tasks they've realize would be needed too, on top of the original ones. But you don't really need to understand it or even believe that those numbers reflect their actual work, all that matters is that you can see they are saying they still have around 100 tasks to do and they advance at 2-4 tasks per day. Now, if people can't grasp these basic maths and have 'toxic expectations' when it's obvious that the pace is this slow, at least don't blame the progress tracker. Toxic expectations would arise if devs were saying totally esotheric things like 'we are getting there', as no one could really know where 'there' is and how fast we are 'getting' there. But that's not what's happening with WaL. Asking devs to remove this tracker would mean giving everyone a free pass to go even wilder with their personal assumptions, which wouldn't benefit anyone.

 

[Xupuzulla]

There is hardly a single game that is as transparent, as consistent and as professionalized as What a Legend on the entire forum.

You need to play more games of this site if actually believe this

 

[axelxz]

Sometimes I feel like CountMorado, and I don't really want to.
But this thing has been explained a thousand times along the thread, and the trolls, the lazy ones, and the ones who want to see the world burn keep throwing knives over and over and over.

We all know why the game is getting late, but both devs are/were/had been crystal clear from the beggining. Even with the polishing phase, they said TWICE that it was gonna take a few months minimum.

Now, I really want to ask you all who are fed up and always raging the thread with all this nonsensical comments:
Why do you continue to treat honest, hard-working developers like this?
There is hardly a single game that is as transparent, as consistent and as professionalized as What a Legend on the entire forum.

They're taking their time and you're really pissed off, understandably.
But it's a shame that the transparency these two work with is so vilified and they finally choose to remove the progress bar and end up working like most developers on this site.
Really, it would be a truly shame

Shouldn't they have obligations to the community? most likely not, most likely they don't care, we're just stalling, telling you that we'll update this one day. beautiful. What professionalism?
If the game were ready, I would agree with you. However, at the moment, it's a never-ending story on the brink of crisis, failure and fiasco. All living stones, whales and amoebas are crossing their fingers in the hope that the counter will not be updated by another 10 points and that the "development" will not postpone the progress for another six months of waiting

 

[moskyx]

Shouldn't they have obligations to the community? most likely not, most likely they don't care, we're just stalling, telling you that we'll update this one day. beautiful. What professionalism?
If the game were ready, I would agree with you. However, at the moment, it's a never-ending story on the brink of crisis, failure and fiasco. All living stones, whales and amoebas are crossing their fingers in the hope that the counter will not be updated by another 10 points and that the "development" will not postpone the progress for another six months of waiting

They have obligations to the community, for sure. And those obligations are staying truth to the Patreon benefits they promised, and being as transparent as possible about their work so that people can make an informed decision on whether support them or not. And I'd say they are doing a good job on that regard: every patron is getting their respective Patreon benefits for their money (Discord access, weekly reports, spoilery art and WIPs, voting rights, and they'll eventually get the update 24h earlier than its public release), and if devs decide to 'postpone' the progress as you say, adding 10 more tasks to the counter, we'll know it the very next day thanks to the progress tracker, the same way we got critical info about the reasons for this slower progress. By the way, they haven't said 'we'll update this one day'. That would be leading on people if they couldn't meet that deadline. Their more accurate public deadline has been 'we're still a few months away' when the polishing phase began. So at least use these devs actual behavior when raising your concerns.

Now please tell us what other obligations you think they have or should have.

 

[mathluccas]

Why do you continue to treat honest, hard-working developers like this?

Hard-working = working 1 hour a week. What a legend!

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[axelxz]

They have obligations to the community, for sure. And those obligations are staying truth to the Patreon benefits they promised, and being as transparent as possible about their work so that people can make an informed decision on whether support them or not. And I'd say they are doing a good job on that regard: every patron is getting their respective Patreon benefits for their money (Discord access, weekly reports, spoilery art and WIPs, voting rights, and they'll eventually get the update 24h earlier than its public release), and if devs decide to 'postpone' the progress as you say, adding 10 more tasks to the counter, we'll know it the very next day thanks to the progress tracker, the same way we got critical info about the reasons for this slower progress. By the way, they haven't said 'we'll update this one day'. That would be leading on people if they couldn't meet that deadline. Their more accurate public deadline has been 'we're still a few months away' when the polishing phase began. So at least use these devs actual behavior when raising your concerns.

Now please tell us what other obligations you think they have or should have.

This is simply an excellent breeding of whales.

do you like to "eat noodles" every week?

 

[Emirkaan]

Hard-working = working 1 hour a week. What a legend!

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and people like you crying about it here making this game more popular, probably you are working hard than the devs either
anyway, the thread looks like milfy city 2.0 for me

 

[mathluccas]

and people like you crying about it here making this game more popular, probably you are working hard than the devs either
anyway, the thread looks like milfy city 2.0 for me

You're right, it looks exactly like the milfy city thread. A dev giving excuses every week on why the update is not ready and a bunch of idiot simps (like you) defending them for free! Simping for porn game devs is a whole new level of pathetic, but don't let me stop you, keep going!

 

[Gabba Gandalf]

Again this word "milking".
When there are no ppl who get milked, then there is no milking.
Who WANT to pay are not milked (otherwise they would leave).
Who does not want to pay is not milked.

So no milked ones - no milking.

so who is gae?

 

[Rolo]

so who is gae?

What is gae ?

 

[Emirkaan]

You're right, it looks exactly like the milfy city thread. A dev giving excuses every week on why the update is not ready and a bunch of idiot simps (like you) defending them for free! Simping for porn game devs is a whole new level of pathetic, but don't let me stop you, keep going!

are you retarted, lol.
when I defend the devs

 

[Sthr ▚ nix]

You're right, it looks exactly like the milfy city thread. A dev giving excuses every week on why the update is not ready and a bunch of idiot simps (like you) defending them for free! Simping for porn game devs is a whole new level of pathetic, but don't let me stop you, keep going!

Who the fuck defending Milfy City, lol.

 

[RainGres]

I don't really understand the hate toward the progress tracker. How it works? Well, it's explained in the faq section: they plan in advance how many 'tasks' (an arbitrary measure of their work, based on their experience) would be needed to complete the update, and then they keep updating their progress, adding on a daily basis both the tasks they've completed and the new tasks they've realize would be needed too, on top of the original ones. But you don't really need to understand it or even believe that those numbers reflect their actual work, all that matters is that you can see they are saying they still have around 100 tasks to do and they advance at 2-4 tasks per day. Now, if people can't grasp these basic maths and have 'toxic expectations' when it's obvious that the pace is this slow, at least don't blame the progress tracker. Toxic expectations would arise if devs were saying totally esotheric things like 'we are getting there', as no one could really know where 'there' is and how fast we are 'getting' there. But that's not what's happening with WaL. Asking devs to remove this tracker would mean giving everyone a free pass to go even wilder with their personal assumptions, which wouldn't benefit anyone.

I thought I deleted the comment? Anyway, agree to disagree. Anyway I think the thread should be lock, it isnt discussing anything but is just hating on the patreon business model. I don't care if Patreon is le bad, I'm not paying for anything anyway. If people are just jelly that Dev is making 3k a month each just create your own patreon scam like jesus.

 

[Kalimbaba]

Again this word "milking".
When there are no ppl who get milked, then there is no milking.
Who WANT to pay are not milked (otherwise they would leave).
Who does not want to pay is not milked.

So no milked ones - no milking.

Mb, forgot the anymore on "i don't support them on patreon anymore* for this particular reason"
Milking is not a bad word, it's just the way i felt (and many others) and that's why i canceled my more than a year support cuz i felt like i was indeed being being milked. Your logic is so broken my dude.

 

[moskyx]

I thought I deleted the comment? Anyway, agree to disagree. Anyway I think the thread should be lock, it isnt discussing anything but is just hating on the patreon business model. I don't care if Patreon is le bad, I'm not paying for anything anyway. If people are just jelly that Dev is making 3k a month each just create your own patreon scam like jesus.

I wasn't talking about Patreon model, I only answered your questions about how the progress tracker works and why deleting it as you suggested would actually help to increase the toxic expectations you mentioned. Peace

 

[axelxz]

I wasn't talking about Patreon model, I only answered your questions about how the progress tracker works and why deleting it as you suggested would actually help to increase the toxic expectations you mentioned. Peace

if a couple of big pieces of meat appear in the game every 2 months, who's going to kick their ass??

 

[len00]

I thought I deleted the comment? Anyway, agree to disagree. Anyway I think the thread should be lock, it isnt discussing anything but is just hating on the patreon business model. I don't care if Patreon is le bad, I'm not paying for anything anyway. If people are just jelly that Dev is making 3k a month each just create your own patreon scam like jesus.

"Don't be jealous or badmouth somebody scamming people, just scam them yourself" is crazy

 

[RainGres]

"Don't be jealous or badmouth somebody scamming people, just scam them yourself" is crazy

I have my own values, if people found a way to get easy money good for them, they aren't making people bankrupt anyway. At the end of the day it's free produce for the majority, if the minority want to whale who give a shit? I'm just enjoying the end product.

 

[RainGres]

I wasn't talking about Patreon model, I only answered your questions about how the progress tracker works and why deleting it as you suggested would actually help to increase the toxic expectations you mentioned. Peace

I'm to lazy to double quote your other comment and again agree to disagree.