Patreon has gone too far and we need to boycott and punish them.

[Glib_Gentleman]

The banning of porn on OnlyFans, which morphnet wrote about, I can understand. It might be really interesting to a 18 year old girl to sell naked pictures of her on the internet for a bit of cash, but she might not understand the consequences. It may not feel like actual prostitution but it might have similar negative results in the long run.

If 18 year old girls are too young to understand the consequences of selling naked pictures of themselves, then 18 year old boys are too young to understand the consequences of joining the military and the long term negative results to their mental health that will result from it.

Should we just keep everyone locked in the nursery until their brain develops fully at age 25 before we allow them to make any personal decisions?

 

[xxn1927]

Those to talk about "Christian groups" please answer why Christianity is at its lowest point ever (in the West) and it is actively discouraged in media, business, and academia. Wouldn't it be the opposite if Christian lobbies were that strong?

 

[xxn1927]

If 18 year old girls are too young to understand the consequences of selling naked pictures of themselves, then 18 year old boys are too young to understand the consequences of joining the military and the long term negative results to their mental health that will result from it.

Should we just keep everyone locked in the nursery until their brain develops fully at age 25 before we allow them to make any personal decisions?

Even better: if you are old enough to lecture others on social issues that require the simultaneous knowledge of science, business, history, and economics, then you are old enough to pose naked.

 

[morphnet]

Those to talk about "Christian groups" please answer why Christianity is at its lowest point ever (in the West) and it is actively discouraged in media, business, and academia. Wouldn't it be the opposite if Christian lobbies were that strong?

This is a prime example of facts vs observations. You observe a lot of talk, discussion, media that show opposition to religion, not just christianity and assume that equals lower numbers, assuming again that the first assumption is fact. It's not, Catholicism alone has seen a small rise in fact.

You must be registered to see the links

christianity has MANY denominations and many of them are well funded, the push you see here is against them loosing members in the future.

Even better: if you are old enough to lecture others on social issues that require the simultaneous knowledge of science, business, history, and economics, then you are old enough to pose naked.

Incorrect, the ONLY thing required to post an opinion on the internet is an internet connection at some point.

 

[anne O'nymous]

If 18 year old girls are too young to understand the consequences of selling naked pictures of themselves, then 18 year old boys are too young to understand the consequences of joining the military and the long term negative results to their mental health that will result from it.

Well, in many countries there's a (direct or indirect) psychological interview before you can join, and I know about only one country that lure 18yo into the army by offering to pay for their (way too expensive) college tuition.

It's like the rant about churches few posts above, relatively US centered and with the belief that all countries are the same.

 

[Ogrexin]

If 18 year old girls are too young to understand the consequences of selling naked pictures of themselves, then 18 year old boys are too young to understand the consequences of joining the military and the long term negative results to their mental health that will result from it.

Goverments need meat shields but they dont need escots (or anything similar), so they'll never be treated in the same manner

Should we just keep everyone locked in the nursery until their brain develops fully at age 25 before we allow them to make any personal decisions?

metal dystopian idea ngl

 

[woody554]

It is not childish when an unelected entity acts as if it is the government. By your logic, the electric company can shut you off if they dislike how you use their electricity.

eh. with the government you have the freedom of speech. with a private capitalist company you don't have any rights (unless specifically guaranteed by the GOVERNMENT) and they'll reject any responsibility in the TOS you're forced to agree with. it's the exact opposite of how governments work.

 

[Glib_Gentleman]

Those to talk about "Christian groups" please answer why Christianity is at its lowest point ever (in the West) and it is actively discouraged in media, business, and academia. Wouldn't it be the opposite if Christian lobbies were that strong?

That's precisely why they are pulling this crap. They've felt their power on society slip and are desperate to retain it and stop the "godless sinners" from taking over society.

Well, in many countries there's a (direct or indirect) psychological interview before you can join, and I know about only one country that lure 18yo into the army by offering to pay for their (way too expensive) college tuition.

It's like the rant about churches few posts above, relatively US centered and with the belief that all countries are the same.

I'll acknowledge my argument is relatively US centered, but when the payment processors causing the issues with adult game dev's having an uncensored platform where they can accept payments and get paid - Visa, Mastercard, Paypal, and the banks where they get their business loans from - are located in the United States, it makes sense to center the conversation on the socio-political issues in the US that are causing the problem.

I acknowledge that many of you outside the US don't want to discuss the fucked up situation inside it, but in this particular case, the fucked up situation is causing the people who have issues with Patreon to be fucked in their own country.

And Patreon is based in the US, too.

So the US is relative to the conversation.

 

[Metal Panic]

I personally would like to see a total boycott of Patreon devs and users alike, but it's probably unrealistic.

People will just need to make their own website and they can set their own rules, especially if they want their game on Steam/Elsewhere without having to worry about abiding to any rules to avoid being banned. I don't know, just a thought.

If other sites follow Patreon, someone will have to step up eventually or let things play out the way they may.

Also, I get the games on Steam. I don't mess with their Patreon at all.

 

[papel]

So TLDR, let's make a new payment processor outside fucking USA

I do wonder what it'd take for Visa and Mastercard to get fucked, given how "too fuckhuge to fail" they are

 

[Ogrexin]

I do wonder what it'd take for Visa and Mastercard to get fucked, given how "too fuckhuge to fail" they are

It'd require a massive scandal, a bigger giant, or an international cooperative effort, all unlikely honestly
Maybe there's some drastic stuff like terorrism too

 

[Insomnimaniac Games]

So TLDR, let's make a new payment processor outside fucking USA

I do wonder what it'd take for Visa and Mastercard to get fucked, given how "too fuckhuge to fail" they are

We could try convincing old Musky we need an alt payment processor to protect the cat girl porn.

 

[Ogrexin]

We could try convincing old Musky

His marketing team has given up on the "reletable billionare" shtick
Now he's to busy ranting on twitter and showing his true face

 

[Insomnimaniac Games]

His marketing team has given up on the "reletable billionare" shtick
Now he's to busy ranting on twitter and showing his true face

I umm... I was joking.

 

[Ogrexin]

I umm... I was joking.

I know

 

[RossoX]

I do wonder what it'd take for Visa and Mastercard to get fucked, given how "too fuckhuge to fail" they are

Friendly advice: stop mentioning our overlords V**a and M*****C**d, or else y'all are risking getting Boeing'd, if you catch my drift. Legal disclaimer: this may or may not have been a joke.

 

[anne O'nymous]

I'll acknowledge my argument is relatively US centered, but when the payment processors causing the issues with adult game dev's having an uncensored platform where they can accept payments and get paid - Visa, Mastercard, Paypal, and the banks where they get their business loans from - are located in the United States, it makes sense to center the conversation on the socio-political issues in the US that are causing the problem.

It would make sense if the real reason weren't international treaties making any money processors and banks accountable if they are aware that the money they processed is linked to an illegal activities. They would be sued and face a millions dollars fine, when not the suspension of their license.

Of course, VISA, Mastercard and PayPal would be able to face the fine, and their license is safe. But it's not the same for banks, that would be the ones facing the lawsuits. And if they aren't big enough, they would lost everything in the process.
That would give them the right to then sue VISA/Mastercard/PayPal for neglicence, since they act as intermediary and should ensure that the transaction is safe. I don't know the terms of the contract between VISA/Mastercard/PayPal and banks, but I'm 99,99% sure that there's no "hey, it's not our responsibility" clauses ; both sides covered their back as much as possible and everyone is responsible for everything.
And here, for VISA/Mastercard/PayPal, it's not anymore millions that are at play, but billions. Not only because of the bank that lost everything, but also because that bank clients would be able to jump on the train ; they lost everything, and someone will have to pay them back.
It's not a bankruptcy due to whatever context, it would be one due to negligence, don't expect a government to come to the rescue when there's an entity that can clearly be held responsible and pay.

Now, what "illegal activity" mean is opened to debate. Are 2D or 3D loli illegal or not, and do they necessarily links with p*d*shit rings and all ? All this is relative. But when what is in play, for banks, is the existence of your company, you ask any intermediaries you've to works with to play it safe.
The same apply directly for VISA, Mastercard and PayPal. If one of them is caught putting a banks they operate with at risk, all the other banks will reconsider their own agreement. And, while they are the three main money processors, they aren't the only one that exist...
Seeing, let's say VISA, collapse because they weren't vigilant enough would be a good incentive. The competitors would immediately reinforce their rules and controls, and of course advertise about it in hope they'll be the one to hit the jackpot.
Then, it's not just content like loli, none consensual sex or bestiality, that would be forbidden. Hell, it's not even just porn that would be compromised, but anything that can possibly look a bit suspicious.

 

[MarshmallowCasserole]

it's not anymore millions that are at play, but billions

Still a wrong letter. Make it a T instead. Visa alone processes something in the ballpark of 5T annually. So yeah, absolutely correct, even a 0.001% chance of hurting the flow of money THIS big is a serious matter.

And it's not like they care about internet degenerates in some moral crusade way, like some other posters imply. That's ridiculous. They care only about their own image and safety. I would too in their position.

 

[xxn1927]

So TLDR, let's make a new payment processor outside fucking USA

I do wonder what it'd take for Visa and Mastercard to get fucked, given how "too fuckhuge to fail" they are

Elect people like Vivek. It is not difficult to make businesses do just business. Payment processors should not be in the role of determining the validity of goods/services involved. Payment processors should be in the role of validating payments from point A to point B. You leave the rest to law enforcement.

In the same vain, phone companies are not responsible for what people say over the phone.

 

[BCK Forge]

Reading this just planning to open my patreon one of these weeks, I guess I'll check Subscribestar