NTR enjoyer, what do you prefer: netori(cheating) or netorase(sharing)?

what's better?

  • netori (cheating)

    Votes: 213 42.0%
  • netorase (sharing)

    Votes: 294 58.0%

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    507

Pretentious Goblin

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Exactly, it can mean too many things but also not necessarily. NTR CAN include friends and family members, but not necessarily, and when it does I personally think it's extremely lame for example. So why don't be specific instead of using a tag that most people don't even agree on what it's about?
Well then, what do you do about games that have those non-cheating NTR situations? Say, a game where MC's sister is seduced by MC's bully, and starts to pick on MC herself. The average player still won't want to see that, and NTR lovers will, yet there won't be a tag for it.
 

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Well then, what do you do about games that have those non-cheating NTR situations? Say, a game where MC's sister is seduced by MC's bully, and starts to pick on MC herself. The average player still won't want to see that, and NTR lovers will, yet there won't be a tag for it.
Will they want to see that? As I said, I like some NTR scenarios, but I don't care about family stuff and this very specific situation wouldn't arouse me. Tags are not for very specific scenarios, that's why we combine them. It's like having a tag for "games where the MC's sister enjoys anal but doesn't let him cum on her face". A better tag for your situation would probably be something like Humiliation.
 

desmosome

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Will they want to see that? As I said, I like some NTR scenarios, but I don't care about family stuff and this very specific situation wouldn't arouse me. Tags are not for very specific scenarios, that's why we combine them. It's like having a tag for "games where the MC's sister enjoys anal but doesn't let him cum on her face". A better tag for your situation would probably be something like Humiliation.
Yes, it's an established trope in NTR and is quite popular. Goblin gave a very western example. This type of cuck BBC humiliation stuff is pretty common in the western scene. You could argue that these could be tagged with BBC and humiliation to give a pretty good idea on what it's about.

There are more japanese tropes where the NTR isn't really about the humiliation (at least until the very end), and more about the loss of the caring and peaceful relationship between MC and his mom/sis/childhood friend. He will slowly lose his bond with these family members. Maybe you don't value family bonds very highly due to cultural or whatever reasons, but there is a real essence of betrayal when a mother, who's first priority in life used to be her son, starts to turn into a whore who only cares about getting dicked because she got curropted by some chad/old bastard. The western society which values freedom and individuality might see this scenario and say "So what? She is free to fuck whoever she wants. You (MC) are a grown ass man who should move out and live his life."

Eastern societies typically place great importance on the family unit. There are expectations of reciprocal care. Parents rear the children and care for their well being, and as they get old, the children in turn care for them. No putting them in nursing homes and shit (although this is changing due to westernization of most eastern societies). You are to respect your elders, and they should act in a manner to deserve that respect.

As for the childhood friend thing, that is something that could baffle westerners as well. "Who gives a fuck about a childhood friend, lol?" True lasting friendships are almost as important to one's life as family bonds. This is more true in regards to male-male platonic friendships. The best we can do in English to denote close friendships is BF or BFF. This term is used so loosely, and the strength of friendship so flimsy, that you could change BFFs like changing clothes. In Korea, there is a term called "balls" buddies. It's basically friends that grew up together and pretty much are as close as family.

Now why did I go through all this explanation? When a mother who should be worthy of respect and care about her son's well being starts to lose her shit and abandon all motherly duties, that is perhaps an even stronger form as betrayal than just your GF fucking some other dude. Same deal with a childhood friend who should always have your back, regardless of romantic feelings (if male and female), turning on you and throwing away all those years of built up friendship is quite a blow. That is why it's NTR and the different cultural expectations makes it hard to find an equivalent word in English to describe such a scenario.

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But I do agree that 99 out of a 100 F95zoners simply don't understand the term and have been using it in an increasingly absurd manner. Basically wanting to use it as a shield against content that could harm their ego, rather than as a tag that people could search for to find actual NTR focused stories.

As you say, there are actually a great deal of info to be had with the available English tags like humiliation, sharing, cheating, without having to co-opt a specific tag and misuse it to confuse people both for, and against, the content.
 
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moskis22

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But I do agree that 99 out of a 100 F95zoners simply don't understand the term
Of course they don't do, when even the definition here is wrong and name NTR like just cucking

Also, I 100% agree with your post, there is no english term for NTR
 

Trickstar

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F95 Zoners think if the girl fucks anyone but the mc it's ntr and proceed to bitch and moan on every game thread that may have that content. I hope mods take a more aggressive stance against these guys as its getting to the point of seeing that cancer in to many game threads.
 

Trickstar

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As for the title of the post idk why there is no normal ntr option but out of the 3 forms, I would always go Netorase > Netori > Netorare in that order. I don't really like normal ntr or netori that much though. Netorase on the other hand is quite enjoyable when done right in a game. It is just a shame that is is the least represented when it comes to ntr games.
 

tanstaafl

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Netori: Usually enjoy it unless it involves rape or coercion of any kind.
Netorare: Usually enjoy it unless it involves rape or coercion of any kind.
Netorase: Almost always dislike.
 
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xoxo

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Maybe you don't value family bonds very highly due to cultural or whatever reasons, but there is a real essence of betrayal when a mother, who's first priority in life used to be her son, starts to turn into a whore who only cares about getting dicked because she got curropted by some chad/old bastard. The western society which values freedom and individuality might see this scenario and say "So what? She is free to fuck whoever she wants. You (MC) are a grown ass man who should move out and live his life."

Eastern societies typically place great importance on the family unit. There are expectations of reciprocal care.
I think you missed my point here, and I don't think that giving importance to family is a exclusive thing of eastern societies.
Maybe we can debate more about this in another thread, I'd like that, but I believe I went a bit off-topic here with my comments.

To answer the OP, I like both, cheating and sharing, as long it's using girlfriends/wives/sex partners and not family members/best friends/crushes.
 
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Insanely43

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Netori for me all the way!

Adding a bit to the discussion, Netorase is just cuckold/sharing which is a pass for me. Netorare is an inverse of perspective for Netori so it is basically the same thing for me, with Netori as the superior NTR. But I do agree that the NTR tag has been used with just about anything that fucks a female that isn't the MC D. Makes it hard to find good NTR games imo.
 

tanstaafl

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Personally I don't think fetishes you like in games necessarily translates to you liking them in real life as well, some might just enjoy it as a fantasy or when they're the observer rather than wilful participant in the acts.

For me it doesn't really matter which type of NTR it is as long as the story allows it and is written well in the first place. There's nothing worse than a fetish to be accompanied with bad storytelling.
This, though it does bring up some alarming indications on this site alone when considered. There are games with virtually no story, or story so badly translated as to be incomprehensible that are basically vessels for the "rape 'em until you break 'em" flavor of NTR scenes. These games almost invariably have large followings.
 
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tanstaafl

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Netori for me all the way!

Adding a bit to the discussion, Netorase is just cuckold/sharing which is a pass for me. Netorare is an inverse of perspective for Netori so it is basically the same thing for me, with Netori as the superior NTR. But I do agree that the NTR tag has been used with just about anything that fucks a female that isn't the MC D. Makes it hard to find good NTR games imo.
I've been saying this for quite a while. The tags on this site are very, very limited when compared to manga/hentai tags. It could be argued that these games aren't manga or hentai, but when considering the enormous number of games that take inspiration from those mediums, the tags should probably also be considered.
 

xxax

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This, though it does bring up some alarming indications on this site alone when considered. There are games with virtually no story, or story so badly translated as to be incomprehensible that are basically vessels for the "rape 'em until you break 'em" flavor of NTR scenes. These games almost invariably have large followings.
I'm sorry, but everything brings up alarming indications on this side when considered. If we go by likes or views "Dating my Daughter" is like top 5. Milf City is mostly at the top etc. All these games have manipulation, blackmail, gaslighting and many more things in it. Hell even the supposedly "wholesome" ones have so much emotional manipulation is rather disgusting. I won't even mention incest, since its basically the norm here. I fail to see why you draw the line there?
 

tanstaafl

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I'm sorry, but everything brings up alarming indications on this side when considered. If we go by likes or views "Dating my Daughter" is like top 5. Milf City is mostly at the top etc. All these games have manipulation, blackmail, gaslighting and many more things in it. Hell even the supposedly "wholesome" ones have so much emotional manipulation is rather disgusting. I won't even mention incest, since its basically the norm here. I fail to see why you draw the line there?
As stated in the post I was quoting, if the story is good that's fine. I was only talking about games where it's literally just snippets of rape. No context. Just rape. Hell, even I can enjoy almost any fetish if the story is good around it, but if someone can just watch rape with no context or story and be like "Oh yeah" that is a bit fucked. Argue till you're blue in the face, that's how I see it.
 
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Netori is when the protagonist steals other people's women. NTR (netorare) is when someone steals your girl. Netorase basically western cuckoldry.

As for what I like? Netorase is weak due to willing cuck. NTR and netori is cool because it's more fucked up.
Why not use more western descriptions of this? Im a QOS/hotwife IRL having hosted and attended numerous lifestyle events all over the world for many years and never heard of terminology such as NTR until joining this site. I do understand the somewhat walled relationship between gaming and Hentai/Internet porn as I've dabbled in professional cosplay contracts via gaming events.
 

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As stated in the post I was quoting, if the story is good that's fine. I was only talking about games where it's literally just snippets of rape. No context. Just rape. Hell, even I can enjoy almost any fetish if the story is good around it, but if someone can just watch rape with no context or story and be like "Oh yeah" that is a bit fucked. Argue till you're blue in the face, that's how I see it.
So you put an arbitrary condition - story and if there isn't none its fucked up, but if there is a story its fine? Why? It makes no difference. Its fucked up in both cases.
 

desmosome

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Why not use more western descriptions of this? Im a QOS/hotwife IRL having hosted and attended numerous lifestyle events all over the world for many years and never heard of terminology such as NTR until joining this site. I do understand the somewhat walled relationship between gaming and Hentai/Internet porn as I've dabbled in professional cosplay contracts via gaming events.
Dunno what QOS is, but in general, most of the western terminology around this concept is a "positive" experience for all parties involved. Hotwifing, willing cuckold, and even humiliation and such are framed in a way as to be consensual by the masochistic dude. Non consensual situations where the guy is powerless to stop it or is being cheated on exists, but there is no english tag to refer specifically to this.

NTR is a tag that will reliably produce stories where the dude loses his loved one to a slow (or fast) corruption by some other guy. People who get off on this enjoys the brutal nature of the story, whether it be from identifying with the cucked MC, or by just viewing it with a sadistic bird's eye view. There is also the corruption angle that goes along with this tag 99% of the time. You won't usually find moral degeneration and corruption of the woman from the western tags mentioned above, but it's almost always the focal point of NTR stories.
 
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tanstaafl

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So you put an arbitrary condition - story and if there isn't none its fucked up, but if there is a story its fine? Why? It makes no difference. Its fucked up in both cases.
I said almost any fetish. Find my post up earlier in the thread where I state that I like netorare stories if they don't include rape or coercion. I didn't think I needed to restate my distaste for that particular trope.
 
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I prefer sharing/erotic cheating, but usually as an element and not the main focus. I think it can make for a great mechanic and also has creative potential in the right hands. Not really a fan of true NTR as I'm not here to feel bad.
 

matthww

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Why do people insist in using Japanese terms? Just say cuckolding, sharing, cheating, swinging, etc.

Anyway, I can enjoy them all as long as it's not happening to me, but usually I prefer when someone is getting screwed over somehow in those stories (at least as I see it, not necessarily as the characters see).
honestly, I feel very comfortable using Japanese terms. In regular porn I had no idea how to filter cuckold videos with consent. In porn, it's impossible to filter. Sharing doesn't imply cuckolding, cuckolding doesn't imply sharing. Here we can still use tags, but I like how the Japanese synthesized these things in one word, I find it much easier to find my favorite content