Ren'Py Lust and Power [v0.65 Regular] [Lurking Hedgehog]

[JohnnyMarco]

If a fucking demon is gonna rape you and someone saves you, you sure as hell gonna be submissive

You're underestimating the level of entitlement people have these days, not everyone acts rationally, and in fact most of the people don't. There's also those who have principles and wouldn't give up on them easily, even in the face of danger...

Hell, there are some people who wouldn't give up their principles even under torture... but those wouldn't fit very well as characters for a porn game, unless it is one about extreme BDSM, blood, death and gore...

And this is not just something out of anime stuff... I mean, just watch The Walking Dead... the level of entitlement of that people is outrageous!

You might be fine with removing incest, saying it may even be an opportunity to "make the story better", but its still censorship

I agree with you, I really hate this patreon censorship and had already an heated debate about this on another thread. But, as I said, the problem is in this game the incest really didn't add much, and in fact it is getting in the way of the story because the MC has to withold his dominant self with his family, and yet they easily agree to his demands like some submissive sluts.

If, however, they were more like entitled bitches they behaviour could trigger the MC's anger and switch his dominant self on with them... Yet for that there should be some reason for him to hate them(just like the MC in Waifu Academy, he hates his mother and sister because they abandomned him and his father in the past), if he really loves his mother and sister he wouldn't be mean to them, and wouldn't even do the things he does in the game, like forcing them to fuck him for food...

That's why I say he has a weird behaviour with them, they don't look like they are his family at all, he just treats them as random bitches, so there is really no point in keeping the incest... in my opinion.

And while I have yet to see a game being reviewed and deemed as too "hard to distinguish from non-consensual", taking it even further, like the sentence you wrote that I highlighted, could actually land the developer a review there as well.

This solely depends upon the writer's competence, he could easily make the girls so bitchy to be outright wrong in their behaviour, giving thus the MC moral grounds to be rough, and later they would just need to humble out of desperation and ask for his protection.

And, of course, games like Kangoku Senkan don't give a fuck about consensual sex...

 

[Delmach]

Alright, okay, wait, what. While you seem somewhat reasonable in most parts, you also said that you know about and had a heated debate on the censorship issue.

But then you say this:

This solely depends upon the writer's competence, he could easily make the girls so bitchy to be outright wrong in their behaviour, giving thus the MC moral grounds to be rough, and later they would just need to humble out of desperation and ask for his protection.

And I agree that it would be a believable situation story wise, it would act some credibility for them to be defiant first. But my concern is the website he has his content on.
Because I really doubt the "Thought Police" would be fine with that, just because a character acts so unreasonable or bitchy it wont be a reason to act rough with them. It probably wont lead to them saying "oh yeah, character deserves it, thats fine".

They decided that for example step relationship are not allowed, even when allowed in real life in many parts of the world, or that even the use of "family" names is not allowed (and yes they said that, no blood relationship but calling someone mom/dad/sister/whatever equals not allowed for them)

If violence comes together with something sexual, and if its overdone, my opinion is that it would be too non-consensual for them. There were games reviewed that played with mind control and were only asked to change the incest part, but add too much violence/force or probably any blood/crying to it and im sure its out.

About Kangoku Senkan (had to google it as I didnt remember the name) I have actually seen the series, now if you had said "that hentai with the spaceship and mindbreak" I would have known right away heh. You mean the game to that series? Like the Tamanin Asagi games? Well while im glad they exist and are even translated, they have no connection to this site that allows people to pledge, and thats the whole problem. Yes im actively avoiding the name, thats how much I dislike censorship.

 

[JohnnyMarco]

I really doubt the "Thought Police" would be fine with that, just because a character acts so unreasonable or bitchy it wont be a reason to act rough with them.

If it were like that he would be forced to stop this game development, as it is it is not consensual also, girls are pretty much hostages on the house forced to sell themselves for food, nerd girl is currently being mind controled through magic, etc. There is also Simbro on Patreon in which you literally hijack bitches on the street, gangrape and beat them senseless in your basement until they accept to be your prostitutes...

Also, when I say he could be rough with them I don't mean he would beat them (it doesn't even fit this character as he does not beat women), I just mean he would play hard ball, he would not give the girls food for free, which would force them get out of the house and face reality.

Also, I really don't believe patreon moderators go to the extent of playing all the games to see if there is something against their stupid rules to the last detail.

 

[Delmach]

Seems we mostly agree and say the same things. I know of many more games that are probably on the verge of being too much and some over it, but no one knows what/when/if they review, and their "hard to distinguish from non-consensual" is as vague as possible. But I know of developers outright abandoning blackmail routes, and thats the mine field I mentioned, no one knows what would be the wrong step, or if theres even something to step on.

Also, hitting someone, at least for me, sounds better than denying someone food. Just to show how different opinions are, and you can be sure the Review Team would be even stricter. And as you said, it might already be too much currently.

About the last part, they cant really play all games, not with ever changing number versions and bugfixes on hundreds of games. What happens if a site/game actually gets under review, no idea, doubt there are many people that know their process.

 

[JohnnyMarco]

no one knows what would be the wrong step, or if theres even something to step on.

"Oceania had no laws—it didn’t need them.
Crime was simply whatever the authorities said it was."

George Orwell, 1984.

About the last part, they cant really play all games, not with ever changing number versions and bugfixes on hundreds of games.

Yet, Simbro is an old game on patreon currently getting 7k, devs have let down their patreons so much that I am 100% sure there was a ton of denounces already... I mean, there are posts on their patreon page literally asking for people to denounce them for the violence, and people complaining they did but nothing happens...

So, I don't know, perhaps 7k is enough for patreon to just look away, or perhaps the dev has connections, I don't know... At this moment I think is if developers want to get away with patreon stupid rules they should completely avoid incest and not make much of a fuss about other contents, if they are going to add blackmail, mind control, etc., they should have some discretion.

At last, he wouldn't be denying them food, he would just not giving them food for free, they would still be able to try and get the food for themselves, noone is forced to be a slave for others.

 

[papasmurf]

who cares if there's no incest the game still good

 

[one who faps]

So i have to say this avzin where did the android link go

 

[fudd]

I like it. Lots of posts about "improve it this way" "improve it that way", but I think the dev is doing just fine with this. I look forward to the next update.

 

[Splatter_1]

While I like this game, I am a bit pissy about the saves not working between versions. It took me several Hours to get back to "about" where I was in version 1.2. The anti Cheat is a joke you don't need most of it and the part that gets you killed is if you raise your energy or health nothing else matters, you can still max weight gold experience ect... And if you play "right" you don't need more energy or health (after you max your abilities of course) and that can be cheated easily. I have not played 1.2 in a long time but this version "feels" like its missing things the other version already had... I am sure I was able to do more with the nerd girl in 1.2 and the witch...... So it seems to have taken a step back instead of moving forward.

 

[Knight2416]

okerFace: I just now noticed I never actually uploaded the Anti-cheat removal file that works across versions... z.z I'll do that now. (will edit this post with link when done)

Edit: Updated the link in the OP. Here's the post. This will work for any future versions!

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none of the anti cheats work now, if dev spent more time on game than anti cheat would be a lot further along.

 

[avataraand76]

the anti-cheat dont work

 

[Tyrranus]

yall realize if you dont get stupid and just keep health and energy at 10, the anti-cheat horse shit never triggers right?

 

[Pretentious Goblin]

I am sure I was able to do more with the nerd girl in 1.2 and the witch...... So it seems to have taken a step back instead of moving forward.

I'm pretty sure you're wrong, Lisa's few scenes were added in 1.2 and there wasn't more than this.

 

[TCMS]

none of the anti cheats work now, if dev spent more time on game than anti cheat would be a lot further along.

the anti-cheat dont work

Got a question for you guys. Did you extract any .rpa or did you enable anything like game dev? (using unren or similar tools?)

 

[avataraand76]

Got a question for you guys. Did you extract any .rpa or did you enable anything like game dev? (using unren or similar tools?)

i'm only change the console

 

[TCMS]

i'm only change the console

mhm... I'll go run some tests. o.0

 

[TCMS]

i'm only change the console

none of the anti cheats work now, if dev spent more time on game than anti cheat would be a lot further along.

Should be working now.

 

[avataraand76]

Should be working now.

thank dude and can you show me how to use the wardrobe spell

 

[TCMS]

thank dude and can you show me how to use the wardrobe spell

The version in the OP is the free one so no way to use the wardrobe spells. Even if I edit the files and get it to accept the codes it will be filled with errors since the files for the clothes that come with the wardrobe spells are missing.

 

[avataraand76]

Should be working now.

error again, it occur after i fight with jessica