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MadDany

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WHY DO PEOPLE PLAY NTR GAMES AND EXPECT GOOD ENDINGS FOR CUCKS??
WHY DONT YOU REALIZE THAT THIS GAME HAS NTR AND SWINGING? SO WHY CANT PEOPLE EXPECT THE OTHER TYPES OF ENDINGS THAT IS SIMILAR AND PART OF THE THEME?

Honestly tho, i wouldnt be complaining if its solely NTR. But adding the Swinging ending makes me expect them to go all out, not just only 2 endings.
 

pletoxxx

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geez, most people aren't ready for this fetish i guess. in every netorare thread there's always someone that keep arguing for anything. from terms, definition, sub genre and shit.

like seeing fat modern people complaining about how their cola does not contain lesser sugar from less sugar version that supposedly contains 1 mg less sugar in it. sickening.
 
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fabulous007

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Those guys have no desire to be in such a "winning" position of taking both women as they can't self-insert into such a guy.
You do realize that not everyone automatically self-insert in porn games right ?
Also there's nothing masochistic in swinging, for netorase it depends. It's really netorare that relies on it.
Even then, masochism is sometimes closely related to sadism, that's what sadomasochism is about. So a masochist can sometimes desire a netori or sadist ending.

I think the problem is that Atelier Sakura does mostly ntr games (afaik). So their audience know what they're coming for. Well at least here there's a swinging ending, I'm satisfied with that. The art is good too.
 

ChaosOpen

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Yeah and that's a shame it's like people think netorare & swinging are the same thing even though they are completely different.
I mean, in theory it seems like swinging could be a pretty hot concept. You have a story where the bedroom is getting a bit stale so you decide to spice things up by meeting lots of interesting people and then sleeping with their wives. But all swinging games go like this one, where the majority of the sex scenes occurs between the protagonist spouse and the other guy.
 

Joshy92

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I mean, in theory it seems like swinging could be a pretty hot concept. You have a story where the bedroom is getting a bit stale so you decide to spice things up by meeting lots of interesting people and then sleeping with their wives. But all swinging games go like this one, where the majority of the sex scenes occurs between the protagonist spouse and the other guy.
Exactly and to me doing it behind the mc's back is not swinging
But yeah you're right all the so called swinging games I have tried to play devolve into stuff like cheating which totally turns me off
 

clown48212

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Has anyone played this? Curious to know whether this game sticks to the standard AS conventions, or if they have actually tried to make a new game with a unique story.
 

AL.d

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You do realize that not everyone automatically self-insert in porn games right ?
Also there's nothing masochistic in swinging, for netorase it depends. It's really netorare that relies on it.
Even then, masochism is sometimes closely related to sadism, that's what sadomasochism is about. So a masochist can sometimes desire a netori or sadist ending.

I think the problem is that Atelier Sakura does mostly ntr games (afaik). So their audience know what they're coming for. Well at least here there's a swinging ending, I'm satisfied with that. The art is good too.
You pretty much nailed it in the end. The issue is "corporate" for lack of better term. Japanese creatives are really strict about chasing specific target audiences and rarely stray from that. Which results in pretty much putting out the same product (with a different coat of paint) again and again, locked in their genre box. Same plot, same tropes, same scenes, profably different color hair for the fmc. It's the same for their mangas, their anime and ofc their games. Lately I'm starting to see the same with western adult games too.
 

TimeWalker

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So judging from the description there is an ending where you get NTRed by your best friend. I also see the cheating tag which is used for netori. So I have to ask do we ever commit netori (NTR our friend)?
it's Aterlia Sakura...don't expect good ending. their games alway left sour taste.
 

Lolikanion

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Exactly and to me doing it behind the mc's back is not swinging
But yeah you're right all the so called swinging games I have tried to play devolve into stuff like cheating which totally turns me off
Have you been on the Netorase list?

Although I dont think there are a lot of games where you swap lovers.
But there are most definetly few games with TRUE Netorase, where your wife/girlfriend always stays loyal no matter how many times she sleeps with other men.

These games are top tier in the Netorase genre, so if you didnt try them I definetly recommend.
 

MaskedAcc

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Don't let all the people arguing in the comments about NTR distract you from the fact that this translation fucking sucks

EDIT: That being said, I actually quite like the swapping path here. There is one incident where the MC isn't present, and then the four of them have a mature conversation about boundaries. There are no hard feelings, and they are all still friends and in love with their partners. They just also like having weird sex with each other.
 
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jclosed

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"English Translation Patched (MTL with Heavy Proof Reading)"

It's not my intention to shit on the time spent doing this, but I seriously don't understand why you'd even bother. It's like putting sugar on shit.
Well - For people that cannot read any Japanese, it's at least something.

It makes the game from fully unplayable (because you cannot understand a word of it), to at least playable. And to be honest, I rather have a slightly improved MTL ("sugarcoating" as you called it) than a "raw" MTL. But if that "sugarcoating" is not available, I rather have a "raw" MTL than nothing at all.
 
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Badboll

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Have you been on the Netorase list?

Although I dont think there are a lot of games where you swap lovers.
But there are most definetly few games with TRUE Netorase, where your wife/girlfriend always stays loyal no matter how many times she sleeps with other men.

These games are top tier in the Netorase genre, so if you didnt try them I definetly recommend.
Where is that list?
Swapping is a very hard tag to do right, it usually always goes to NTR or cuck eventually. From my experiance the Korean pornmangas are the ones that do it best, though they love their NTR there too and usually takes it that route as well, but I'm always on the hunt for a good netorase game where the girl loves what hse does but also never stops loving the guy.
 
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