VN Ren'Py Kingdom of Deception [v0.14.2.1] [Hreinn Games]

[TheMagister]

I'm expecting KoD to be a longer game than NN, so the corruption needs to be spaced out more.

 

[hakarlman]

No, not worse, but different. Let's say Sabia becomes some sort of warlord: would you really expect her to still work in a bar?

No, but it would be cool if she blew all the Orcs and let them bang her to increase their morale. The orcs say, "Our Warlord is so good to us."

I don't know how they intend to design the sub route, but I can make the educated guess that it's about being manipulative instead of assertive. She will still probably end up fucking a lot of randos, but always for some purpose. An example is during the Red God Arena when you can bribe with sex the orc registering results to avoid getting your loss written down.

They should make her take pleasure in being submissive, not being reluctant about the sex she's obviously enjoying.

If you side with Tekrok only, it makes sense for her to get banged by all the Orcs and like it.

That's why I told you that you probably were looking for a different kind of game. KoD is not only about the sex, is about sex in a fantasy RPG. And the depth of the world-building is what tells the player that they're serious about the story.

I played the game some more. The game is definitely about the sex, lol.

Here's what I would adjust for submissive sabia. These changes would make the game even better than it already is:

Pure Submissive Sabia (0 domination, max submission) - Tekrok loyalty - Proposed Adjustments/Additions
1. Allow Bar Gropers to fuck her in the tents and recruit them into Tekrok's crew
2. Allow Orcs at the bar to grope sabia only if they have her permission. She can give groping privileges to Tekrok's crew and the Bar gropers once they side with Tekrok. The other orcs get jealous and want to grope Sabia too so they side with Tekrok.
3. If Sabia is loyal to Tekrok only and wears orc slave armor, make her face ENJOY all the sex she has with Orcs and never be reluctant and never challenge their authority during sex, PURE submission. She can be reluctant before the sex, playing games, but ultimately submitting.
4. If Sabia's domination score is zero, she does not make the first move with Lutrvig in the trainer area.
5. Sabia can choose to continue working in the tents if she sides with Tekrok, but she only has sex with Tekrok's men or the Bar gropers if they side with Tekrok. Now that she's one of them, she can be selective in which groups get to gangbang her. This way she's still seen as having more power than before the trial.

 

[TheMagister]

You might as well go and make your own game at this point, because it's clear this one doesn't satisfy you...

 

[random.person]

Rejoice tentacle fans, hopefully there's enough content for rest of us but it looks like their patreon took a hit if I'm not mistaken

I'm taking the educated guess that it might have to do with the patreon banking change mismanagement. That is to say that it might have to do with some banks flagging patreon payments as suspicious because Patreon changed its coordinates to UK ones (or at least so was reported in some thread on this forum). If I understood correctly this has practically happened to all patreon projects, it shouldn't be a KoD issue.

Riven pretty much fucked anyone as the town bike while being acknowledged as the hero of the village in their previous game, the horny king fucking all the peasants is a long used trope, equality, don't be sexist and let her be a slut if she wants to


I agree the bar scene was very disappointing. If they want immersion and choices to matter the bar scene should of been if sub enough fuck them and maybe murder them aswell for profit, then sleep with the investigator and witnesses, dom option murder them, frame or bride, offer cat girls etc.

I'm not saying she can't choose to be a slut, I'm saying that's hardly compatible with her long-term goal, thus it'd be a bad end.
The situation in NN was different, there was a general corruption aura at play, none of what happened in that game can be considered normal in another setting where such an effect is not present.
And there's a difference between being a village hero and being a military or political leader. The latter two require to be fit to exercise authority and usually that doesn't go well with lascivity, whether you are male, female or an attack helicopter.

Regarding immersion and player choice, the point is that KoD is a visual novel, whilst NN was a JRPG and the consequences of the different genre are relevant.
Visual novels, as the name suggests, are very close to novels as a concept. The player interaction is actually in most of them really minimal, with important choices only after shitloads of text and their impact limited to determining bad ends or a particular route in the game. This is especially true for Black Lilith titles, for instance.
However complex the visual novel's branching, the fact remains that they are designed not as much as sandboxes but as books. The protagonist isn't meant to be whatever you want as in games like Skyrim, but it has usually a very precise personality and the options (or lack of) will reflect that. Sabia is a character with her own mindset, prejudices and personality just as much as any book character. That's why the author doesn't give you the option to choose something which is against Sabia's characterization.
Now, KoD is arguably a bit of an hybrid between a VN and an RPG, but its VN nature in this is pretty manifest, you get some choices influencing her development, but you don't get to choose everything she does and says, once you go down a route she acts within the confines of her personality.

Did you not play Noxian Nights or the first half of KoD?

The game has definitely taken a turn, it should almost be tagged with reverse-corruption, If the updates stay on this course. Sabia was always goal driven, like Riven, then you corrupt her along the path to her goals using them as an excuse for her actions while the they rationalizes their growing passion for them as an inevitable consequence until they give in to the pleasure and admit they've become whores, this is the corruption genre in essence, as Sabia gets more standing she is becoming less of a whore, at least in public (which is the best part), makes perfect sense in reality, not so much in a porn game, a corruption one at that. People are simply surprised as this goes against porn games and Sierras previous work in general.

BUT it's very possible she'll go back and add alternative sub paths later, choosing to spend early dev time to progress the story first, here's to hoping.

If I'm not mistaken, the devs have clearly said that this isn't actually a corruption game. That's not what they are making.
That's why I think it's less of a porn game and more of a fantasy with a lot of sex in it.

No, but it would be cool if she blew all the Orcs and let them bang her to increase their morale. The orcs say, "Our Warlord is so good to us."

That is a possibility, but it remains to be seen if it'd make sense in the context she'd be in.
It'd be probably more effective to use whores and captives for that purpose and to reserve herself for upper ranks.

They should make her take pleasure in being submissive, not being reluctant about the sex she's obviously enjoying.

If you side with Tekrok only, it makes sense for her to get banged by all the Orcs and like it.

It is character development, you can't expect a woman who starts as a military officer engaged in a global warfare against all non-humans to become so quickly free of her prejudices and moral education. She clearly starts seeing orcs as beasts, it takes time for her to accept the fact that she can actually be even attracted by them (as with Lutvrog) and in any case it'd take even more time and some motivation to get to the point of spreading her legs for each and every orc that asks.
If you ally yourself with Tekrok you seriously indeed risk being abused a lot and that happens (see the festival night scene), but the motivating factor is that she wants to advance her plan and she submits to Tekrok's requests. It's one thing to submit to a high-standing dominant person and another thing to be everyone's cocksleeve. Sabia at the moment is not perverted enough to be the latter, she has no reason to.
Even if sex was what she wanted, she wouldn't need to steep low to get it, she could just get her action going with Lutvrog for instance. She has, at the moment, no kink for promiscuity.
This is not a defect, this is just character development in the making. She might get to the point you want, but that requires time, the game is barely in its first act.

I played the game some more. The game IS definitely about the sex, lol.

Of course there's a lot of emphasis on it, because it's an adult game, but I'm of the opinion that is not as central as one might be led to believe thinking of corruption games.

Here's what I would adjust for submissive sabia. These changes would make the game even better than it already is:

Submissive Sabia - Tekrok loyalty - Proposed Adjustments/Additions
1. Allow Bar Gropers to fuck her in the tents and recruit them into Tekrok's crew
2. Allow Orcs at the bar to grope you but only if they have your permission, you can give groping privileges to Tekrok's crew and the Bar gropers once they side with Tekrok. The other orcs get jealous and want to grope you too so they side with Tekrok.
3. You talk with Tekrok and expect him to help you raid the human city so you can gain your vengeance with all the recruiting you're doing for Tekrok.
4. If Sabia is loyal to Tekrok only and wears orc slave armor, make her face ENJOY all the sex she has with Orcs and never be reluctant and never challenge their authority during sex, PURE submission. She can be reluctant before the sex, playing games, but ultimately submitting.
5. If Sabia's domination score is zero, she does not make the first move with Lutrvig in the trainer area.
6. Sabia can choose to continue working in the tents if she sides with Tekrok, but she only has sex with Tekrok's men or the Bar gropers if they side with Tekrok.

She can still convince Tekrok to raid that human city so she can gain her vengeance.

Again, those things might as well happen, but they'd require time to build up reasons for why Sabia would be that kind of character. What you propose is substantially getting already to near end-game status.

 

[FlipFish]

No, but it would be cool if she blew all the Orcs and let them bang her to increase their morale. The orcs say, "Our Warlord is so good to us."



They should make her take pleasure in being submissive, not being reluctant about the sex she's obviously enjoying.

If you side with Tekrok only, it makes sense for her to get banged by all the Orcs and like it.




I played the game some more. The game is definitely about the sex, lol.

Here's what I would adjust for submissive sabia. These changes would make the game even better than it already is:

Pure Submissive Sabia (0 domination, max submission) - Tekrok loyalty - Proposed Adjustments/Additions
1. Allow Bar Gropers to fuck her in the tents and recruit them into Tekrok's crew
2. Allow Orcs at the bar to grope sabia only if they have her permission. She can give groping privileges to Tekrok's crew and the Bar gropers once they side with Tekrok. The other orcs get jealous and want to grope Sabia too so they side with Tekrok.
3. If Sabia is loyal to Tekrok only and wears orc slave armor, make her face ENJOY all the sex she has with Orcs and never be reluctant and never challenge their authority during sex, PURE submission. She can be reluctant before the sex, playing games, but ultimately submitting.
4. If Sabia's domination score is zero, she does not make the first move with Lutrvig in the trainer area.
5. Sabia can choose to continue working in the tents if she sides with Tekrok, but she only has sex with Tekrok's men or the Bar gropers if they side with Tekrok. Now that she's one of them, she can be selective in which groups get to gangbang her. This way she's still seen as having more power than before the trial.

Surprised this is still going on. I think the point people are trying to make is that Sabia at this stage of the game has zero reason to suddenly become a slave to orc cock. Even if you're going the maximum submission route that's possible in the current build, as of right now she still has a clear goal in mind and that goal is revenge. I'd also like the option of having Sabia able to work in the tents again as I've mentioned myself in this thread before but context and Sabia's motivations matters in this game, her just suddenly deciding to gobble down orc cock for a living isn't in line with her current personality so far. Maybe down the line as she becomes more and more submissive she can have the option of working in the tents to "boost morale" or whatever other practical reason.

It's one thing to criticize the game and offer your own ideas and I even agree with some of your points, but I feel like you're just being unnecessarily nitpicky at this point. Maybe come back in a year or so and hopefully the game's development will have advanced enough to take your problems with the submissive options into consideration. But as of right now as others have said, the game simply doesn't have what you want right now as the game is still in development and is slated to be pretty big with a lot of options and paths to take into consideration.

 

[hakarlman]

Sabia at this stage of the game has zero reason to suddenly become a slave to orc cock.

I never suggested the idea she become a slave. I'm proposing she be able to choose to let Orcs gangbang her of her own accord. This decision makes sense if she sides with Tekrok.

Even if you're going the maximum submission route that's possible in the current build, as of right now she still has a clear goal in mind and that goal is revenge.

She can still get revenge. She already does gangbangs with Tekrok. She can do a gangbang with the Bar Orc gropers in exchange for them siding with Tekrok. Then at the tavern she can CHOOSE to let Tekrok's men grope her. It's already established she has the power to deny them from touching her. If she's full submissive, let her CHOOSE to give Tekrok's men groping privileges.

I'd also like the option of having Sabia able to work in the tents again as I've mentioned myself in this thread before but context and Sabia's motivations matters in this game

I agree that story is important. If she's loyal to Tekrok, just let her work in the tents, but only have sex with Tekrok's men. That shows she has acquired power since the trial since she can pick and choose who she wants to let gangbang her.

, her just suddenly deciding to gobble down orc cock for a living isn't in line with her current personality so far.

If she's allied with Tekrok, she should be able to whore out for money, but only with Tekrok's men.

Maybe down the line as she becomes more and more submissive she can have the option of working in the tents to "boost morale" or whatever other practical reason.

That's boring, lol. The bar groper scenario should be concluded with an optional submissive gangbang and then the bar gropers listen to you and side with Tekrok, then you can choose to let them grope you at the bar along with Tekrok's men.

It's one thing to criticize the game and offer your own ideas and I even agree with some of your points, but I feel like you're just being unnecessarily nitpicky at this point.

I'm not. I normally would never give critique to this level for a game, but this game was worth me taking the time.

Maybe come back in a year or so and hopefully the game's development will have advanced enough to take your problems with the submissive options into consideration. But as of right now as others have said, the game simply doesn't have what you want right now as the game is still in development and is slated to be pretty big with a lot of options and paths to take into consideration.

80% of the game has what I want. There's 20% that just needs slight adjustment to make the game a true masterpiece.

 

[Draka232]

BUT it's very possible she'll go back and add alternative sub paths later, choosing to spend early dev time to progress the story first, here's to hoping.

Well these two statements hopefully suggest that's what the next update might do a little bit.

Version 0.6.0 of KoD will include some new quests and scenes that will provide more stat points of multiple kinds. So a save that might not have been able to obtain a scene last version might be able to with the new content that will be added this version.

The next update will move the plot forward, but it will also include some content to flesh out the current phase of KoD.

 

[Heliophorus]

Riven pretty much fucked anyone as the town bike while being acknowledged as the hero of the village in their previous game, the horny king fucking all the peasants is a long used trope, equality, don't be sexist and let her be a slut if she wants to

Ayy, but that's why I think KoD has better writting. Also prudish Sabia is way more fun to lewd.

 

[Heliophorus]

as Sabia gets more standing she is becoming less of a whore, at least in public (which is the best part), makes perfect sense in reality, not so much in a porn game, a corruption one at that. \.

Never striked me as corruption focused game, also, she most likely will have more opportunities to use sex as a tool, with minotaurs for example. We only starting to leave orc camp yet.

 

[Heliophorus]

If she's allied with Tekrok, she should be able to whore out for money, but only with Tekrok's men.
.

A. She doesn't want to.
B. She only did so (mind you optionally, you don't have to whore in tents at all) to get money faster, and maybe get some of Tekrok's men on her side
C. She now has bigger fish to look forward to, that's why she fucks Tekrok in the new update. His men are already on her side.
D. There are faster and less shameful ways to get money.

That be said, whoring could be reimplemented if Sabia herself starts to run brothel. I used to think that removing whoring was a bad idea, but after I played the game several times I would say I like that they did it. Sabia is not Riven and game is more serious in tone.

 

[Master Mirror]

What's so appealing about tentacles, can someone explain it to me? I am genuinely curious about this fetish getting so much attention. I mean they are not even humanoid!

 

[baneini]

What's so appealing about tentacles, can someone explain it to me? I am genuinely curious about this fetish getting so much attention. I mean they are not even humanoid!

It's a way to avoid censorship by Japanese government.
There is no other reason.

 

[Master Mirror]

It's a way to avoid censorship by Japanese government.
There is no other reason.

I don't think that's the only reason. It seems like there is an audience who is into this kind of stuff, hence it will also be added to this game...

 

[baneini]

I don't think that's the only reason. It seems like there is an audience who is into this kind of stuff, hence it will also be added to this game...

Sometimes devs add a scene without an audience asking for it and sometimes they don't add scenes people ask for.

 

[TomberryDude]

What's so appealing about tentacles, can someone explain it to me? I am genuinely curious about this fetish getting so much attention. I mean they are not even humanoid!

A creature with a lot of long, agile, "phallic" appendages. I mean, I don't get what being humanoid has to do with anything. Bestiality is a fairly common "fetish".

 

[Heliophorus]

I don't think that's the only reason. It seems like there is an audience who is into this kind of stuff, hence it will also be added to this game...

A subset of monster porn I guess. Often involves impregnation, breeding. Sometimes people give them mind controlling abilities as if they were mindflayers.

 

[Interracial UglyB NTR Fan]

Lordy, so many people to reply too, think it'll be better for everyones sanity to just address some main points and let people see where some of us are coming from rather than quote 10+ posts:

Corruption expectations:
NN and KoD have a lot more in common than a lot realize, while the official descriptions do not include genre, you could argue that as NN had a lust variable and h-content gated behind it and reactions to said content varied based on lust, that's proof it was a corruption game. Given KoD has h-scenes (usually more perverse) gated behind the sub variable AND Sabia starts the game as prudish and hates orcs then enjoys sex and with orcs, you could easily argue KoD STARTED as a corruption game or at least has elements of it, if not the focus (this is most likely) and still ask for more corruption based h-content like bar scenes, investigator bribe etc, given how abundant they were in the early game.

Doesn't make sense story wise:
"Sabia being a flat out slut doesn't make sense as she is meant to be a leader" In our world this is valid, and if it isn't in KoDs world to a degree that would mitigate the taboo'ness of Sabias actions and diminish half the fun of the acts/corruption. However, a leader who engages in promiscuous activities for the sake of achieving her goals (recruiting soldiers, raising morale) isn't a stretch of the imagination at all given that even in our world there are many cases of people 'sleeping their way to the top' or using sexual manipulation. Even if Sierra takes the story to conclusion and a possible ending is Sabia as queen, a horny king/queen is a common trope, in fact Sabias mother/sister engage in sexual acts (interrogation, favors etc) and they are at the top of the hierarchy of a likely more prudish culture (compared to orcs and non-humans) could even say she learnt it from them.

Game is a VN not a JRPG so dont expect much player influence:
I mean it already has plenty of choices and variables that certainly matter (factions, kill, save, ensalve, free, fuck, bribe, etc) an economy and fight system. I don't know how you'd define a VN but it seems like a detailed game to me.

Whats the appeal of tentacles?:
Some will say it's similar to bestiality, which is essentially true it's basically bestiality lite, less shame for the viewer but also less taboo and a legal loophole as it's outlawed in many places and if the beast Sabia "subdues" wasn't mythical I'm sure patreon would of warned them to remove it.

If you hate the game and complain so much why not move on:
If we didn't love the game or the creators and their previous work we wouldn't bother. It's up to them to take what they like from our feedback and ignore what they don't. It can be the difference between games like WarFrame that started bad and become universally acclaimed or Destiny in which all feedback was ignored and dead. Personally, the tentacles, Yvala and Red cat girl do nothing for me, but I don't complain, more power to them, if that's what people want let them know, I pref the fleshed out female MC engages in public corruption stuff so I voice it.
Finally, as for the state of the game, I actually still think it's great all that's missing for me is more opportunities for Sabia to publicly slut it up, dialogue reflecting variables i.e. whether she reluctantly performs an act or enjoys it and maybe a reputation variable that influences how others see her and their dialogue towards her (Hello warrior/sabia/ human or slut etc)

 

[Heliophorus]

Oh well, you like what you like, I personally prefer how she is right now, I rather have her prudish then total slut. Also most stuff is available regardless of sub or dom path. Only difference is dialogue.

 

[TheSexinati]

You want to know who is to blame for tentacles?

Horny Japanese bastards from the 1800's (Hokusai being a big role), as well as stringent Meiji-era cencorship laws which censor cocks and pussies but not tentacles... and Toshio Maeda in the 80's who thought 'Tentacles... that's fucking hot'... and then made them the main thing in almost all of his hentai's.

Thus, Tentacles.

 

[TomberryDude]

Can we just let this argument go? People are just repeating themselves at this point.