Genesis 9 is Coming

[coffeeaddicted]

Daz Studio has competition. They started out as an asset broker for Poser, which is still around. There's also Character Creator 4, among others.

CC4 seems like it's geared towards actual professionals, in the way Daz3d is trying and failing to be. Regardless of Daz3d's wishes, they have a huge market of porn game assets sold on Renderotica, so they're just where the action is.

It sounds to me they haven't really competition if you factor the porn in.
This is what i noticed browsing several store fronts.
DAZ, DAZ, DAZ....
Of course there are more professional software around but they do usually cost money.
And for what it is offering, it's actually not bad.
Considering that you can just download your library or buy. Your choice.
If one had to do it in Blender, there wouldn't be as many VN's around.
But i think this is on all level a bad situation as DAZ can just do what ever they want without real consequences. It's like the Apple of 3D with their iTunes. At least similar.
When i started i seen VAM. Now i did not have a clue what it was but it looked like an alternative. Though it isn't as i later found out.

To me, i am not even sure why i started off with Gen 8. Maybe because there is so much available.
But i think i would have even considered Gen 3 as they look very pretty too. And probably low on resources.

Now i am locked in to Gen 8 but i am not touching anything beyond. Gen 9 has to proof that is worth it to "upgrade". Especially with assets in the erotic department.

What i have never found but is available for Gen 3 is an adult theater. The movie theater for the naughty. Sometimes i am asking myself if i would have been better off just starting off with Gen 3.

But the bottom line seems to be that there isn't a alternative to DAZ in regards off free software and ease of use. Sad.

 

[Deleted member 416612]

It sounds to me they haven't really competition if you factor the porn in.
This is what i noticed browsing several store fronts.
DAZ, DAZ, DAZ....
Of course there are more professional software around but they do usually cost money.
And for what it is offering, it's actually not bad.
Considering that you can just download your library or buy. Your choice.
If one had to do it in Blender, there wouldn't be as many VN's around.
But i think this is on all level a bad situation as DAZ can just do what ever they want without real consequences. It's like the Apple of 3D with their iTunes. At least similar.
When i started i seen VAM. Now i did not have a clue what it was but it looked like an alternative. Though it isn't as i later found out.

To me, i am not even sure why i started off with Gen 8. Maybe because there is so much available.
But i think i would have even considered Gen 3 as they look very pretty too. And probably low on resources.

Now i am locked in to Gen 8 but i am not touching anything beyond. Gen 9 has to proof that is worth it to "upgrade". Especially with assets in the erotic department.

What i have never found but is available for Gen 3 is an adult theater. The movie theater for the naughty. Sometimes i am asking myself if i would have been better off just starting off with Gen 3.

But the bottom line seems to be that there isn't a alternative to DAZ in regards off free software and ease of use. Sad.

Out of curiosity, Blender is not an alternative to Daz, due to resource demanding or complexity? Or both?

 

[MidnightArrow]

Out of curiosity, Blender is not an alternative to Daz, due to resource demanding or complexity? Or both?

Complexity. As for resources demand, it's much better than Daz.

Here's a post I made comparing the two yesterday: https://f95zone.to/threads/want-to-...-whats-the-reccomended-render-program.134899/

 

[coffeeaddicted]

Out of curiosity, Blender is not an alternative to Daz, due to resource demanding or complexity? Or both?

Well, got already answered.

I think Blender is a great alternative. You can do a lot of things there. But you need to really learn how to use it.
This is my weakness so far. I don't know much but the shaping is really easy. That is of course relative.
On top of that, it's opensource.

 

[Deleted member 416612]

And from what I saw, the end result is much better than Daz. Of course, if someone manages to 'tame the program'.

 

[MidnightArrow]

Yesterday I made

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, and I did this comparison render at the end:

Cycles is on the left, Iray is on the right.

Many first time Diffeomorphic users complain figures "don't look right" in Blender. What they mean is, they're used to seeing the shitty crushed sRGB color space inside Iray. It makes the skin redder, but it also blows out the lights very easily, as you can see on the wall behind her.

 

[Deleted member 416612]

I saw some differences, as well as amazing artwork, done with Blender. The type of things that can't be achieved in Daz (I think).

 

[coffeeaddicted]

Problem is, the learning curve in Blender is high. So to archive the same results in Blender will take you longer. DAZ has the advantage in my view, that it is easy to understand and to get fairly quick results.
Blender on the other hand has a little less intuitive interface to begin with.
So you have to familiarize yourself with the software first before you can think of doing some serious stuff.

I am trying to learn Blender but it really takes time and i have not that much time really to spare. So i am kind of bound with DAZ. At least for now.

Without a question can you do more in Blender than in DAZ but if you have lots of time, it maybe worth it.

 

[Hongfire Survivor]

I bought the Pre-order and realized that I would be building up another library of assets. No thank you.

I started with DAZ a few months ago and I've been pretty happy with Gen 3/8/8.1.

I've got plenty of stuff to go through still so they can keep it.

They should be working on the damn software. No reason why it's faster to end the program to open up a new file or why Iray bugs out if characters are too far away from world center.

 

[MidnightArrow]

They should be working on the damn software. No reason why it's faster to end the program to open up a new file or why Iray bugs out if characters are too far away from world center.

For all the (well-deserved) shit I give Daz Studio, models bugging out if they're too far from world center isn't their fault and there is a reason. It has to do with rounding errors in floating point numbers.

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[Deleted member 416612]

I bought the Pre-order and realized that I would be building up another library of assets. No thank you.

I started with DAZ a few months ago and I've been pretty happy with Gen 3/8/8.1.

I've got plenty of stuff to go through still so they can keep it.

They should be working on the damn software. No reason why it's faster to end the program to open up a new file or why Iray bugs out if characters are too far away from world center.

I haven't bought it and I think I will never will. I invested a lot of money in models and Genesis 9 beats the purpose of many content creators as it will require more resources. I do hope that in the following month, the marketplace will continue to have assets for Genesis 3/8/8.1.

 

[Deleted member 1121028]

Yesterday I made

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, and I did this comparison render at the end:

Cycles is on the left, Iray is on the right.

Many first time Diffeomorphic users complain figures "don't look right" in Blender. What they mean is, they're used to seeing the shitty crushed sRGB color space inside Iray. It makes the skin redder, but it also blows out the lights very easily, as you can see on the wall behind her.

lol

 

[Deleted member 1121028]

Hi Blender expert here, refrain yourself from talking please. I also make a Cycles/Iray comparaison, from what I would call quite a masterpiece to be honest. My chef-d'oeuvre is proudly titled "Eat all those f** eggs". I make thise piece after reading De profundis, who put me in deep introspection (life sucks).



"How many egg(s?) she(?) can eat?". You have to figure it out for yourself. I think I really nailed my tone mapping game here. Maybe a bit less with with Iray (couldn't really figure what gone wrong). Huge props to Blender, Cinematic filter is like Cinema, kinda nails Tarantino feeling. Now if you excuse me plebian, I'll drink until I pass out (genius problem you can't understand).

 

[incubus999]

Hi Blender expert here, refrain yourself from talking please. I also make a Cycles/Iray comparaison, from what I would call quite a masterpiece to be honest. My chef-d'oeuvre is proudly titled "Eat all those f** eggs". I make thise piece after reading De profundis, who put me in deep introspection (life sucks).

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"How many egg(s?) she(?) can eat?". You have to figure it out for yourself. I think I really nailed my tone mapping game here. Maybe a bit less with with Iray (couldn't really figure what gone wrong). Huge props to Blender, Cinematic filter is like Cinema, kinda nails Tarantino feeling. Now if you excuse me plebian, I'll drink until I pass out (genius problem you can't understand).

Maybe this went over my head. What are you trying to say here?

 

[TranscendentThots]

Hi Blender expert here, refrain yourself from talking please. I also make a Cycles/Iray comparaison, from what I would call quite a masterpiece to be honest. My chef-d'oeuvre is proudly titled "Eat all those f** eggs". I make thise piece after reading De profundis, who put me in deep introspection (life sucks).

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"How many egg(s?) she(?) can eat?". You have to figure it out for yourself. I think I really nailed my tone mapping game here. Maybe a bit less with with Iray (couldn't really figure what gone wrong). Huge props to Blender, Cinematic filter is like Cinema, kinda nails Tarantino feeling. Now if you excuse me plebian, I'll drink until I pass out (genius problem you can't understand).

That's easy. Probably like three or four eggs, tops. Any more than that would just be eggcessive.

 

[TranscendentThots]

Dunno if there is an alternative. Oh my, Blender.
But in reality everyone will be stuck with DAZ because it's easy.

Quality wise, i think quality is really good. Even with 8 and perhaps 3. But posing or expressions are really hard and most of the ones you can buy looks actually pretty comical.
So there goes the realism.

There are some good apps for breast physics. So i am not sure if this had to be build in. Maybe that would be to much to ask for. It appears to be that anything sexual is forbidden on their forum. Wonder why they sell the genitals in the first place.

I mean... We could put together a patreon, and pay $2000 or so for a professional artist to create a set of Blender characters tailor-made for this use-case, and then release it for free? But the best time to do that might be after Blender's new Asset Library is a little more polished. Maybe even wait for the new Hair system to reach LTS.

I dunno. It's a thought. The biggest strength Daz has is sheer quantity of content. Not quality, and certainly not price point.

Of course, arguably, MakeHuman already did that. And then Manuel Bastioni Lab did a sexier version of Makehuman. It didn't matter. Nobody uses those solutions unless they're literally too broke to just license a Genesis model. (And if their budget is that low, they probably shouldn't be chasing a realistic aesthetic, in the first place.)

 

[Deleted member 1121028]

Maybe this went over my head. What are you trying to say here?

It's quite a private joke o/

 

[coffeeaddicted]

I mean... We could put together a patreon, and pay $2000 or so for a professional artist to create a set of Blender characters tailor-made for this use-case, and then release it for free? But the best time to do that might be after Blender's new Asset Library is a little more polished. Maybe even wait for the new Hair system to reach LTS.

I dunno. It's a thought. The biggest strength Daz has is sheer quantity of content. Not quality, and certainly not price point.

Of course, arguably, MakeHuman already did that. And then Manuel Bastioni Lab did a sexier version of Makehuman. It didn't matter. Nobody uses those solutions unless they're literally too broke to just license a Genesis model. (And if their budget is that low, they probably shouldn't be chasing a realistic aesthetic, in the first place.)

I tried several clothing and even though some are really nice and fit my plan, but in reality they don't fit and can't be bend the way i want it.

But yes the reason everyone is doing DAZ is the content. And it's the only platform where you get what you want without too much work.
Blender is harder and i suppose you have to make a lot yourself which isn't too much of a problem if you are a blender pro but for the rest it is a huge obstacle. But more pressing is the time it consums. So depending on your age it maybe worth it or not.
But you don't need to reinvent the wheel if you can use DAZ assets in the first place.

Expressions are harder to do. There are lot of good ones to be sure but you have to experiement to get a realistic version of it. So i combine some and see how it looks. Some look like from crazy town. So it's sometimes several tries to get it right. Depending on what you want to the character to tell.

 

[TranscendentThots]

I finally got my first good look at Genesis 9 today.

Speaking of Makehuman...

 

[Network 34 Games]

I finally got my first good look at Genesis 9 today.

Speaking of Makehuman...

Oddly I thought the same!