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Drummms

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Happy to read that you are back ! And in an even better shape, so to speak.

I don't know what to think about the optional pregnancy. But, having a baby with Nanami could be an interesting story.:rolleyes:
 

dstarfire

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I wouldn't call that exhibitionism, there are courses for women of all ages we have difficulties to get (or never even had) an orgasm. In this case the therapist doesn't interact with the patients, but may participate by pleasuring herself to show things. That's basically the same thing, but doesn't have anything to do with exhibitionism.
Ummm, what are you talking about? I was replying to a suggestion to have Dr. Amana "present during an encounter between the MC and another character(s) as a spectator/advisor (just present) or 'teacher'/instructor (potentially 'participating')".

You might as well suggest that putting the Detroit Lions in a noisy arena full of screaming fans is likely to result in somebody getting mauled, since lions are wild animals with nasty teeth and claws.
 

Lotex

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I know, but her being a teacher or instructor doesn't fit the definition of exhibitionism.
 

RomanHume

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Now that I have a brief moment to come up for air...

This VN is really underrated, I was expecting to see hundreds of patrons and I'm surprised that it didn't even reach a hundred. So good luck to the dev for reaching his goals and keep up the good work.
I think we capped at like 47 or 48. Maybe 50. Our first iteration was very half assembled and I think a lot of people were waiting to see if we were going to be around in six months. Our reward system was very different as well. We wanted to try a more support = more bonus content type of approach. Having never done this before we were basically throwing darts in the dark. Turns out, such a system is not only undesirable to a lot of patrons, but time consuming as hell to maintain as a developer. So we held a vote and our patrons agreed a reworking of the reward system was in order. What we have now is more traditional.

In any case, we're really glad you like the game so far. We hope the beta will be met with equal excitement. And as always, we encourage you to tell as many people about our game as possible. Our goal is to hit the "popular games" section of F95Zone before the end of the year. Cheers mate.

Okay, but her story arc should end before it gets to that point because that's squarely in the 'other guy doing my girl' genre most people (including myself) hate. Her story arc should end before that point. Emily moves out (possibly taking not-daughter with her) and isn't seen or heard from again. Sort of like Dating my Daughter did with Georgina (the secretary): if you neglect her and reject her advances, she disappears towards the end of the game, leaving behind only a farewell note. Other characters, if rejected, become purely platonic towards the MC or disappear as well, once they're no longer relevant to the storyline.
Emily cheating on you would be a part of the climax and end of her story. It's not something that would be sustained throughout the playthrough. It would be a conclusion, not an ongoing event.

@RomanHume

I am not sure if this would be considered a 'fetish,' but was wondering if the following might have been considered for a future update:

As Dr. Amana is a 'sexual' therapist, having her present during an encounter between the MC and another character(s) as a spectator/advisor (just present) or 'teacher'/instructor (potentially 'participating')?
I don't know if that is something we'd consider for this character, but we do have plans (providing this game becomes profitable) to make more of these with Doctor Amana and new patients from different walks of life. I think we'd be open to considering a scenario like this in a future game. For now, we have an alternative path with the good doctor.

While she is primarily a plot device, we have an arc that involves sexual surrogacy with the lovely doctor.

The game is really good, but before it could really pick up speed, their rendermachine was broken and so the game couldn't progress for the last months and I think many patreons were lost.
As a very early patreon I hope this game can now continue and grow steadily again. :)

I just hope that the many paths with all the girls and optional pregnancy and so on won't reduce the speed of progression for each girl too much.
We were actually surprised and deeply honored that we didn't lose very many patrons during the setback. Our patron count remained surprisingly flat.

From day one our patrons have been incredibly supportive and are a big motivator for us. Thank you for being among them. We hope that now things are back in order, we can start delivering on those promises and live up to the expectations we've set. We're very excited to continue work on this game. I only wish there were more hours in a day to dedicate to it!

Salute to you mate!

Happy to read that you are back ! And in an even better shape, so to speak.

I don't know what to think about the optional pregnancy. But, having a baby with Nanami could be an interesting story.:rolleyes:
Thanks! The whole pregnancy mechanic was designed so that those who really want it can make it happen 100% of the time, those who don't want it can avoid it 100% of the time, and those who want to roll the dice, can take their chances. So while it's in the game, you don't have to go that route.

I don't know why, but I see Nanami raising her kid to be a corporate hit man....
 

privitude

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Mixed feelings about the new version.

Regarding the game in general, including the old version: I think in terms of writing, dialogue and character development, this is probably the best adult game I've ever played. The stuff with the Nanami, Monica and Lupita and your wife is downright feasible (which is unheard of in these games). The stuff with the teens, we'll see where it goes; but at it's by far the most believable I've seen, and the MC is the most realistic and human.

Regarding the new version: mixed feelings. It's still fantastic. That said, while I understand the allure of writing everything from scratch considering how long the dev team was down during the computer-pocalypse of '18, I really loved where the game was. Every scene had me wanting more, and I was excited to see where things went from there; so it's frustrating to be back and square one.

Still, frustrating as it is, I like the writing so much that I'm still excited for what comes next.
 
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Also, regarding pregnancy, I really hope it can be avoided without have to pull out every time. Birth control is a thing, regardless of the "it's not 100%" thing, it's fiction. It can be 100%.
 
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RomanHume

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Mixed feelings about the new version.

Regarding the game in general, including the old version: I think in terms of writing, dialogue and character development, this is probably the best adult game I've ever played. The stuff with the Nanami, Monica and Lupita and your wife is downright feasible (which is unheard of in these games). The stuff with the teens, we'll see where it goes; but at it's by far the most believable I've seen, and the MC is the most realistic and human.

Regarding the new version: mixed feelings. It's still fantastic. That said, while I understand the allure of writing everything from scratch considering how long the dev team was down during the computer-pocalypse of '18, I really loved where the game was. Every scene had me wanting more, and I was excited to see where things went from there; so it's frustrating to be back and square one.

Still, frustrating as it is, I like the writing so much that I'm still excited for what comes next.
This is a perfectly fair review. While we do regret making players start over and basically doing a reboot, a strong part of us felt that it might be best to do it now before we got a year into this project. Easier to replay a handful of scenes than a whole game. That was our thought process anyway.

But, for what it's worth, development should move a lot faster from here and the game will be much more defined. Plus, we believe that given our current position and newly acquired capabilities, we don't believe it will be very long at all before we eclipse where the story left off.

We appreciate you toughing it out with us and we're glad that despite that there was still some enjoyment to be found in the release for you. Thanks so much for your support!

Salute mate!
 

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Also, regarding pregnancy, I really hope it can be avoided without have to pull out every time. Birth control is a thing, regardless of the "it's not 100%" thing, it's fiction. It can be 100%.
Our thought was that the 100% avoidance option would be pulling out or using a condom. Honest question, do you think a better solution would be for us to include an option to simply turn pregnancy off at the beginning of a new game?
 
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Our thought was that the 100% avoidance option would be pulling out or using a condom. Honest question, do you think a better solution would be for us to include an option to simply turn pregnancy off at the beginning of a new game?
I agree that the entire pregnancy system should be optional, as well as being avoidable with in-game choices (depending on how much work that is). Players that don't want to deal with the system at all can turn it off, while those that enjoy it can choose whom they want to risk pregnancy with. You could even make it (the pregnancy system) part of a higher-tier offering (it does take more work to implement, after all), depending on how patrons react to that idea.
 
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Our thought was that the 100% avoidance option would be pulling out or using a condom. Honest question, do you think a better solution would be for us to include an option to simply turn pregnancy off at the beginning of a new game?
I would GREATLY prefer that. I like skin on skin, but a lifetime of responsibility for one night of fun not so much.
 
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Our thought was that the 100% avoidance option would be pulling out or using a condom. Honest question, do you think a better solution would be for us to include an option to simply turn pregnancy off at the beginning of a new game?
Yes, please allow this as an option. It can just be assumed that everyone is taking birth control. I personally like unloading inside scenes, but not the preggo thing. Allowing this to be turned on or off would appeal to a wider range of fans.
 
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Our thought was that the 100% avoidance option would be pulling out or using a condom. Honest question, do you think a better solution would be for us to include an option to simply turn pregnancy off at the beginning of a new game?
I prefer the option to pulling out/use condoms than just an option at the beginning of the game to disable pregnancy or not moreover the first option adds even more realism to the story as a consequence
 
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@RomanHume Just my 2 caps worth:
Pregnancy on/off If on then %x chance of pregnancy
Cum shot Y/N or cum inside/outside
I've played games with condoms and pills, didn't really care for either, but pill is better than condom since pills go 30 days. I Really can't agree with "realism" since
1. it's a VN/game, not a sim.
2. "Realism" requires 2 forms of birth control, else %x - y chance of preg. and don't forget to track a 29 day(lunar) cycle.
3. I doubt you would want to render condom/non-condom scenes, and if it's not shown, what's the point?
4. What happens when you got no condom? MC exits/no sex, or sex anyway question? I'm sure I'm missing something, since it's an off the cuff, glance at the "issue" being discussed and not really enough time to really evaluate the changes needed and implementation method impact on Dev side.
 
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RomanHume

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What about add an option where you can ask them to get on the pill or they ask you if they should?
If it makes sense in the course of the dialogue and the discussion 'feels' natural, then that could absolutely be a possibility.

I agree that the entire pregnancy system should be optional, as well as being avoidable with in-game choices (depending on how much work that is). Players that don't want to deal with the system at all can turn it off, while those that enjoy it can choose whom they want to risk pregnancy with. You could even make it (the pregnancy system) part of a higher-tier offering (it does take more work to implement, after all), depending on how patrons react to that idea.
We agree with all of this. But I don't think we need to make it a tier reward. It's a very easy fix and from the sounds of this discussionf it will increase the enjoyability for a large number of players.

I would GREATLY prefer that. I like skin on skin, but a lifetime of responsibility for one night of fun not so much.
And we hadn't considered players who wanted the skin on skin action but didn't want to decorate every woman in the game with semen. So shame on us for not thinking about this angle, but fortunately we can very easily fix this! I'm just glad this conversation came up now because it would have much more difficult to fix further down the road.

Yes, please allow this as an option. It can just be assumed that everyone is taking birth control. I personally like unloading inside scenes, but not the preggo thing. Allowing this to be turned on or off would appeal to a wider range of fans.
And so you shall have it!

I prefer the option to pulling out/use condoms than just an option at the beginning of the game to disable pregnancy or not moreover the first option adds even more realism to the story as a consequence
So the way the mechanic currently works, every female starts off pregnant = False. Then, when a character unloads in her during a scene, a function is called that looks at a number of factors and calculates a probability of pregnancy. It is by no means a real simulation, just a mechanic to add some randomness and variability to the story.

We intend to leave all of that in tact. But for players who want to turn off pregnancy the game will just never call the function. So a female character simply never gets tested for pregnancy. But for those who want it on, the system will work as originally designed.

@RomanHume Just my 2 caps worth
I'm really hoping this is a Fallout reference...but I digress...

Pregnancy on/off If on then %x chance of pregnancy
Cum shot Y/N or cum inside/outside
I've played games with condoms and pills, didn't really care for either, but pill is better than condom since pills go 30 days. I Really can't agree with "realism" since
1. it's a VN/game, not a sim.
2. "Realism" requires 2 forms of birth control, else %x - y chance of preg. and don't forget to track a 29 day(lunar) cycle.
3. I doubt you would want to render condom/non-condom scenes, and if it's not shown, what's the point?
4. What happens when you got no condom? MC exits/no sex, or sex anyway question? I'm sure I'm missing something, since it's an off the cuff, glance at the "issue" being discussed and not really enough time to really evaluate the changes needed and implementation method impact on Dev side.
Just to touch on your points:
1. & 2. Absolutely correct. It's not a sim and we weren't trying to make the pregnancy thing ultra-realistic. We thought it was an interesting mechanic that added a sense of randomness to the story that could lead to some interesting and dramatic story telling. As well as some funky preggy sex for those who want that sort of thing.

3. We planned on doing this anyway. By rendering everything in layers we're only looking at an additional two or three minutes to render a condom and lay it over the scene in photoshop. So it's a small commitment on our part.

4. Our MC was always going to have a condom in his wallet. There might be scenes composed of intense, irrational and spontaneous sex in which he might not want to interrupt the moment to put it on (Nanami's first sex scene for instance), but those would be the exception rather than the rule. We never wanted to slow the game down with trips to the drug store for rubbers.

Lol. In fact, one of my biggest complaints about DMD was that condom acquisition was totally random. We weren't going to do that here.

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So in closing:

We thought controlling the pregnancy option through in-game choice was the most sensible way to deal with it. Players who didn't want it could take actions to avoid it. However, your comments here have persuaded us otherwise. So for the next release we'll include an option to turn pregnancy off altogether.

Whenever a new game is started you will be presented with an option to turn it off. We will also include a small patch that will offer players who already have a saved game the chance to turn it off. This way if you've played the first beta release and gotten Nanami knocked up, but don't want the pregnancy, it will reset her to pregnant = False, and never test for pregnancy again.

We talked it over and we figure all in it will only take about ten lines of code and ten minutes of testing to put this fix in. The way we've designed the pregnancy system makes this a very easy tweak.
 

RomanHume

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As usual, our ability to estimate was off. It took fourteen lines of code, not ten. Oh well. Fix is in! Everything has been tested and variables are correctly modified. So new players can turn pregnancy off at the beginning, players with an existing v1.0.0 save can turn it off the next time they start the game.

Cheers mates and thanks for the excellent feedback!
 
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Oooh, smarty pants.

On the plus side, the "new" format works in your favor with this change. Since it's so "young", everyone can just hop back on and play a new game. With the "skip" function, they can a have a new, preggo-free save in no time!
 

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As usual, our ability to estimate was off. It took fourteen lines of code, not ten. Oh well. Fix is in! Everything has been tested and variables are correctly modified. So new players can turn pregnancy off at the beginning, players with an existing v1.0.0 save can turn it off the next time they start the game.

Cheers mates and thanks for the excellent feedback!
Story-wise, you can have the switch at the beginning mean all the girls are on the pill. Problem solved!
 
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