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As i said my standards are high and that is my gift and my curse. I meant in no way that DMD is bad cause it isnt. But for my standards its not enough. Now of course the VN part is what interests me but in combination with the visuals you could do so much yet not many tap in to the full potential cause its time consuming and wears you out alot.4
As an also unpaid contributor, I differ in what I find important in this VN. First, for me, the art is the draw of me to this VN. I got involved in this project to help with the storyline and bring a theater and legal background. DMD as a first project was (for me) captivating visually and concept wise; Melody is better; and I hope the next project will be even better. (However, with I keep coming back to DMD as the most captivating for me).
I see that you’ve comentend on a lot of projects in f95, so your interest must be visual oriented as opposed to literary. Otherwise, why spend so much time and interest in this medium.
We differ, perhaps, in that visuals alone do not interest me. Every good erotic image for me hints at a story behind that image. So for me, and perhaps many others, the DMD VN does not loose its interest in the loss of virginity, but rather in what happens next. So for me, at least, the last release was a culmination of one part of the story, but I’m much more interested in the next threads.
Now I can understand if you write in a fictional capacity, you bring a much more critical eye to the writing, etc. I get that as I do the same for live theater and for the actions of other attorneys in court as well as any legal movie or television show. I have a short fuse in those areas. But since I am not bringing those predispositions to DMD, I am still emotionally invested in the outcome.
“Is DMD well written? Depends on the view.
For a sex game absolutely.
For anything else. No.”
I disagree. I find this better writing than 99.9% of the writing in actual porn. I find the writing combined with visuals more engaging than a lot of television (esp the WB and Hallmark). I find the combination more engaging than most regional theater. But then, I am looking at the product as a whole.
I have not yet had the time to play “Acting Lessons”, though I hear good things. I will look forward to it. Btw, my favorite story thread so far out of any not MDots product has to be from Teachers Pets and the thread around the student who goes with the MC to the college open house - the combination of art, character build and scripting was great (although I admit I only followed it to where they were at the college sitting on the bench across from the fountain). Nice piece.
Writing is in no ways easy and takes alot from your time. Time you need to invest in the visual parts as well. And thats where i have a problem with. Of course you need your Visuals in a VN but you could say so much more with a well written story and characters.
I invest alot of time into playing and watching in this forum as for me its amazing to see how some good ideas can make a great game yet companies with AAA status produce one garbage game after another.
As example Dragon Age Origins did almost anything absolutely perfectly. Yet any other installment of the franchise was an absolute garbage show.
So to me this forum is what AAA companies can not do. Make good games. Tell great stories and with low or no budget at all. To me this is enough to invest some time and help ppl who want help. I dont force ppl to listen or do anything i say. If someone asks i give advice and what they do with it is up to them. Sometimes the best characters are made when u drive the player to the point of starting to hate said character.
I for one hate elena out of my guts. And that is good writing as i find this little shit annoying as fuck. I would however not make the daughter in DMD this naive and shy. I never encounterd a women so gifted with huge tits and blonde who didnt take advantage of her natural gifts one way or another. But this is my personal experience and the dev focused in another direction.
The story and how the relationship unfolds between the dad and the daughter is well written and by no means is bad.
Its just full of potential i see that is not taken and just rots away that baffles my mind.
Even i could not write me out of this corner where the story of DMD right now is. Well maybe i could but thats not the point here. It would be hard for me and even harder for the dev and his team.
Yet i believe its possible to make the story interesting again. How is not up to me but to the dev and the team.
To me the daughter and the dad are to shallow. Elena is perfect. I hate her. Thats because alot of thinking went into making her a side story a nuisance to the player who isnt interested in her. Thats where the Real life part comes in. You encounter alot of women you dont want but they want you. Thats why i hate her and thats why she as a character is written perfectly. If a player wants to invest time with her he/she can do so but if not she is annoying af. Perfect.
I dont expect full blown story writers to start enlisting in the gaming industry of sex games like in AAA Titles as that would cost so much money the VN would be dead before anyone did anything.
I dont watch porn for the reasons you mentioned. The writings in porns are all without exception completely ridiculous. Comparing DMD writings to a porn writing we got a masterpiece (DMD) against complete garbage.
Like take Game of Thrones against Vikings.
The better story writers and character development happens in Vikings yet Game of Thrones gets all the glory.
Cause most ppl are to lazy to invest time to watch how characters got established and accumulate into the main plot of a storyline. They want action and they want it now. Not tomorrow but NOW!
If you would compare the books with the show (GOT) you would be dissapointed in the visual portrayal of the characters alone.
Same for lord of the rings.
But all that aside i do agree that a good VN can do alot with its visuals and less writing. However only if the writing is on point. A post before i mentioned a few games i played that i liked for different reasons.
Melody as example is what a game in my view should be story wise. Nothing is forced. All plays out well and as writing is a journey where you learn alot by your mistakes i think the team and the dev learned alot from DMD thats why melody is superior in many ways.
In my book Melody does what DMD did not. Take its time to establish the characters and their personality better and longer and then focus on the main events (sexual) by having a way better character development and a deeper one.
So to me melody does alot better and should be in no way influenced by me or anyone else outside the thinking box. And i even told some devs that i wont give advice as they do things right and my advice is to take non into account. Some ppl are gifted other learn it on the way.
As for acting lessons. That dev is gifted beyond believe in story writing and character design. I never seen someone not being in the writing industry making look writing this easy. ^^