VN Ren'Py Blurring the Walls [v0.5.2] [Torimiata]

[Strangerdangererer]

then i wish people would just be honest and say "this doesn't turn me on" instead of trying to rationalize their preferences by making them seem empirical

Personally I don't take issue with people rationalizing their kinks, I think it can be good for people to put some thought into what they like and why. I do take issue with people trying to rationalize away other people's kinks though, cause I think it often takes away the positivity that comes from understanding yourself and twists it into an expectation you hold towards everyone else, which I feel is at the heart of what you're saying.

bringing up what is or isn't healthy in real relationships is completely irrelevant. this is a fake story and the author can make any character consent and enjoy anything."

I don't think this is a necessarily universal point. Again though, I get what you're saying; in fact, I agree that people shouldn't default to the idea of something being healthy or unhealthy IRL as a means of crediting a fetish. IMO it's fair to apply that logic if that's what the story is going for though. If a story is trying to be more grounded and not just utilizing porn logic to cater to its fetish of choice, then I think it's reasonable for viewers to nitpick a little more. In moderation, of course, as everyone has their own understandings of what's "normal" and we should be empathetic to that. I don't think they have carte blanche to harshly tear something apart because they disagree with the artist's idea of what's grounded.

 

[idkmanerally]

A dev can indeed write any kind of story they want and make it as unrealistic as they want, but there's a fine line with suspension of disbelief. At a certain point, the story asks the audience to excuse one too many leaps of logic and they lose interest. While a story could charge forward without concern for what is healthy in real relationships, trying to instead write a story that is more realistic makes a more immersive story that can be more easily enjoyed by the audience. It's a matter of dancing on the edge of what is an interesting escape into fiction versus maintaining a logical set of world rules that keep the story engaging. While the writing is definitely good enough that I'd enjoy the story either way, I really really like that this story won't be going down the typical path of shitting all over the mc as the girl becomes a slut with at best no consideration for her boyfriend/husband.

i agree with you. i just think that like 90% of the people posting their helpful suggestions, opining on the strict definitions of NTR vs NTS, delineating exactly what is considered narratively believable vs outlandish and wrong, are completely disguising their true intentions. because at the end of the day, they won't be satisfied until all the challenging elements of the game are removed, which would render the game inert and unsexy, but would satisfy their insecurity.

all i'm trying to do in this thread is call out this ruse for what it is. the worst possible thing the dev could do is try to placate people who pretend to be reasonable, but in reality just don't want games like this to exist.

if the terrace blowjob scene is full of "is this okay kento? are you sure? terrace is big but that doesn't matter to me, i like your little dick. hmmm this blowjob is fine but i prefer my boyfriend!" it will destroy all the taboos that make this genre sexy, and it won't even make the NTR whiners happy. it'll just ruin the game for the rest of us.

 

[gruuggler]

In this version i can't get past the H-scene where he licks here and then grabs her boobs on the left side of the screen... In that moment the game freezes and never comes back.Didn't have the issue before.

Any workarounds?

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

if the terrace blowjob scene is full of "is this okay kento? are you sure? terrace is big but that doesn't matter to me, i like your little dick. hmmm this blowjob is fine but i prefer my boyfriend!" it will destroy all the taboos that make this genre sexy, and it won't even make the NTR whiners happy. it'll just ruin the game for the rest of us.

Problem is that ignores the orthogonality of the topic, viewing it as a single axis spectrum of vanilla vs ntr, where everything that's non-ntr makes it safer and more vanilla, and everything ntr makes it less safe but more sexy.

But I don't want vanilla nor ntr. Or in your suggested parlance, sharing setups turn me on, ntr and vanilla turn me off.

I don't want to be here

I want to be here


Or applied to your example, I don't want reassurance that Ayumi prefers her bf's dick, hell she can prefer terrace dick all day, as long as she remains totally committed to the bf.

If I'm reading you wrong I apologize- usually when I read things like "the challenging elements of the game are removed, which would render the game inert and unsexy" it's more similar to pro-ntr verbiage. Which is fine too, but that doesnt turn me on.

These kinds of threads are complicated by three different competing interests groups, all trying to steer it their way. I want to steer it up.

 

[jclosed]

Problem is that ignores the orthogonality of the topic, viewing it as a single axis spectrum of vanilla vs ntr, where everything that's non-ntr makes it safer and more vanilla, and everything ntr makes it less safe but more sexy.

But I don't want vanilla nor ntr. Or in your suggested parlance, sharing setups turn me on, ntr and vanilla turn me off.

I don't want to be here
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I want to be here
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Or applied to your example, I don't want reassurance that Ayumi prefers her bf's dick, hell she can prefer terrace dick all day, as long as she remains totally committed to the bf.

If I'm reading you wrong I apologize- usually when I read things like "the challenging elements of the game are removed, which would render the game inert and unsexy" it's more similar to pro-ntr verbiage. Which is fine too, but that doesnt turn me on.

These kinds of threads are complicated by three different competing interests groups, all trying to steer it their way. I want to steer it up.

In short - You want NTS or better pronounced Netorase.
If that is what you want, you are lucky, because that's just what the author of this VN is going for.
I know some people here feel insecure, because a very loud and vocal minority on this forum tries to push the developer in the NTR direction. It's a very weird group that cannot respect people (including the author) that wants to keep this VN purely Netorase, but as said, the core of this VN won't change. I trust the author in that respect.

 

[Torimiata]

In this version i can't get past the H-scene where he licks here and then grabs her boobs on the left side of the screen... In that moment the game freezes and never comes back.Didn't have the issue before.

Any workarounds?

Any error at all or just freezes? Was it a fresh save file or an older one?

I couldn't replicate this on my end so any additional information you can provide would be most helpful.

 

[gruuggler]

Any error at all or just freezes? Was it a fresh save file or an older one?

I couldn't replicate this on my end so any additional information you can provide would be most helpful.

A new playthrough. It just freezes and never recovers - which it usually does.
Maybe my notebook is too weak

But as i mentioned: so far i had no problems.

 

[Miiiiiiiku]

Or applied to your example, I don't want reassurance that Ayumi prefers her bf's dick, hell she can prefer terrace dick all day, as long as she remains totally committed to the bf.

Thought I'd butt in since if feels like I started this. I came into this thinking that was the end game here lol

Sexually she has different preferences that give her different reactions which would probably help MC out and in turn probably make their sex better? I always saw it as their bond being unbreakable and this is just enjoyable for both of them so they dont really focus on their relationship but their sex lives since thats what theyre trying to make the most dynamic and worrying about their love life is a fruitless effort since nothing can overwrite it?

Yeah at this point Im over the size queen and Terrace sex. No use being worried about something thats bound to happen and end of the day there's nothing wrong with her preferring things and it doesnt make her an evil person or something. I did have a fear she would fall for some reason but this doesnt seem like that kind of game and just my insecurities showing. Same with the MC self insert thing. Then again MC did make her cum several times so I lean towards preference even though bigger could make her feel better.

Probably misunderstanding this but thats probably what interests me about it and everyone here did bring up interesting points. My biggest thing is my curiousity on how things change sexually between them as she explores. Obviously theyll always be faithful to each other so thats not an issue for me anymore I suppose. Think my issue was her preferring another sex with someone else over the MC?

Might be reading this wrong my fault if I am. Probably had more of an issue with their bond than sex lives I guess since the sex could be hot if its written well and her loving bigger cock isn't a bad thing nor will it hurt her relationship with MC.

This is just me, again, trying to understand this in my own way. No way am I asking or demanding the dev to change anything and if my insecurities show that bad to the point where it paints this game in a bad light, again my fault. Say it and I'll vanish. Just trying to understand it in my own way while hearing the appeal of it from others.

 

[Torimiata]

A new playthrough. It just freezes and never recovers - which it usually does.
Maybe my notebook is too weak

But as i mentioned: so far i had no problems.

That is quite annoying, the game is a bit more processing heavy and that scene in particular has a lot going on with the animations and all the layers but I managed to play the game in a really crappy PC with just some hiccups and no major issues otherwise.

I know it's not a great solution but perhaps you could try the compressed version posted here a few pages back, maybe that's more performant at the cost of quality?

 

[gruuggler]

That is quite annoying, the game is a bit more processing heavy and that scene in particular has a lot going on with the animations and all the layers but I managed to play the game in a really crappy PC with just some hiccups and no major issues otherwise.

I know it's not a great solution but perhaps you could try the compressed version posted here a few pages back, maybe that's more performant at the cost of quality?

Will try that out and let you know once I find time again

 

[Jdsiis]

For future updates, I think adding some jealousy / small relationship issues or fights that lead to hot 'reclaiming' scenes between the MC and Ayumi could be interesting. Like, Ayumi pushes MC's boundaries harder than anticipated and MC has to get back at Ayumi for it / MC pushes boundaries with Ari harder than anticipated and Ayumi has to punish MC.

 

[Torimiata]

For future updates, I think adding some jealousy / small relationship issues or fights that lead to hot 'reclaiming' scenes between the MC and Ayumi could be interesting. Like, Ayumi pushes MC's boundaries harder than anticipated and MC has to get back at Ayumi for it / MC pushes boundaries with Ari harder than anticipated and Ayumi has to punish MC.

You will have to wait and see

 

[Miiiiiiiku]

As for whether or not Ayumi will be come a size queen, we can't possibly know at this point. Nothing in the game has suggested whether she will or won't and I'm not away of Torimiata having mentioned anything. The FMC becoming a size queen is just one of those kinks that tends to correlate with NTR and cheating sort of games. That doesn't necessarily mean that it will happen in this game however and from the tone Torimiata has given when describing the future of this game, I don't think it'll ever be something along the lines of "omg, his monster cock is so much better than yours and I no longer love you!" I suspect at most, Ayumi will like sex with Terracce, but since we know the game is going to have a happy ending, I think that even if she does like it, she's going to love the MC more than she could ever love big cocks. My only thought in regards to the size queen stuff was that since it's usually a common aspect of NTR games and that this game has such a different kind of tone from that, then it would be kind of a cool sort of thing if Torimiata surprised us with Ayumi not being a size queen and preferring MC's smaller, more reasonable size. It would be a bit more realistic since women do in fact have trouble dealing with too big of a cock as it can be too painful.

Yes, I know porn tends to ramp up things to crazy situations a lot of times, but I would honestly be surprised if we got anything along the lines of Ayumi humiliating the MC about his penis size or even her going and having any kind of sexual contact without his blessing. I could see her possibly doing something if a moment came up, but I expect it'd be after she talked about the possibility with the MC first to get his permission and that he'd be told all about it after the fact. This game is a netorase game, not a netorare. It's just tagged netorare because everything gets lumped under the one umbrella.

Just remember that this game is about sharing Ayumi for the MC's pleasure, it's not a cheating game. If you're fine with a FMC having sex with other guys then I think you'll be fine. Both Ayumi and Terracce have already shown that they definitely don't want to do anything that will hurt the MC. Everyone should lose some inhibitions along the way and find new exciting things to experiment with sexually. I'm not sure what you mean by witness corruption, but it would probably be better to think of MC and Ayumi becoming more sexually liberated rather than corrupted. They're not really losing any kind of morals or love for each other really, just trying to push their limits a bit to see what new things they might like doing. It's kind of like a couple trying out public sex or anal, but in this case, they're experimenting with teasing, exhibitionism/voyeurism, and sharing.

Thank you for this btw. I think you pretty much explained what I was thinking perfectly. The bond they share between each other and the liberation and trust that comes from it makes it hotter for me because the possibilities are endless and knowing she'll always come back to him makes it easier to watch.

I dont outright hate it like I started before so Im improving somewhat. seeing Ayumi feel good with another dude is going to take a bit to get used to due to insecurities and a new flavor. It was bound to happen based on the ending of the current version so Im not surprised in the slightest, but itll take some time. Hopefully the writing will make it easier to enjoy which is a good portion of why I am still sorta here. Its definitely living rent free in my head because Ayumi does look really good and makes me curious on how this will work with boundaries and what not.. I also +1 the "reclaim scenes" from another poster about boundaries being pushed a bit hard and them teaching each other a lesson. Ari is going to be the death of me I swear but shes moving them along so I got to get used to that too. Not saying he should change the writing (and idk how people feel about that) but so far its kept me hooked mostly to see how far theyll go and knowing that they're still really in love so the only real worry for me is just seeing her with another dude feeling good which is something Ill probably get rid of as I see it happen more frequently and it loses its importance.

I also understand how unnecessarily difficult Im making this for myself which is why I think its more fair to reserve my true judgement until 6.x when I assume the meat of the game kicks in and will show me what NTS looks like. Seems more fair that way than quitting before it starts just going off what it is in text form. If I dont like a little bit of sharing I definitely wont be able to watch Terrace x Ayumi so thisll be a good decider. If its done well though this could make me dive the rabbit hole and be an NTS fan. If not then at least I know. Your guys interpretations are helping me get over my nervousness for the sharing to start so thanks guys!

 

[MarvinP]

Anyone can share the first or second dev diary logs?

 

[elMeno88]

Can anyone please share the pics in the first and second diary logs?

 

[gruuggler]

That is quite annoying, the game is a bit more processing heavy and that scene in particular has a lot going on with the animations and all the layers but I managed to play the game in a really crappy PC with just some hiccups and no major issues otherwise.

I know it's not a great solution but perhaps you could try the compressed version posted here a few pages back, maybe that's more performant at the cost of quality?

So, I guess i got lucky or what i tried worked, but instead of using a comprossed version or compressing it myself, i activated "skip transitions" which helped.

 

[Poa963]

tori do you have plans to make an android version?

 

[Rugerrell6]

beautiful summary of your emotions, true, Ayumi after sex with another will always return to MC, but are you sure of it, you judge and observe only one side of these experiences and fetishes, but a very important step is missing here, Ayumi getting excited for attention from the looks of other men or exhibitions, it is a state of emotions, but Ayumi fucking with others means opening her sexuality from the platonic to the real, and there is a sea of differences, there are no rules, this is bad, getting excited about spanking or a hypothetical kiss with Teraza is nothing, but seeing her fucked and slammed by others, with her expressing her emotions and pleasures to another man and another cock, well, that destroys if you don't have the balls , MC doesn't have them, he's just lustful and for his own selfish enjoyment, he doesn't hold the reins of the game, all this is not good, it's just a selfish game that each of the two plays for their own enjoyment, I've met many couples who despite years of marriage, children etc., they have separated, fantasizing does not harm, but realizing it does.

Finally!! Someone had the fuckin stones to tell the truth to these people! Sorry im just tired of these people acting like sharing/swapping doesnt lead to full on cheating. These type of activities are a slippery slope and can end very badly. Im not saying it will always be that way but 90% of the time it will. Acting like its not highly likely to happen is just smokin copium. Funny the name of the game is called "Blurring the walls" insinuating that they will lose sight of the boundaries that a couple acts within and someone will overstep the wall whether its the guy or the girl.

 

[Juidas]

Finally!! Someone had the fuckin stones to tell the truth to these people! Sorry im just tired of these people acting like sharing/swapping doesnt lead to full on cheating. These type of activities are a slippery slope and can end very badly. Im not saying it will always be that way but 90% of the time it will. Acting like its not highly likely to happen is just smokin copium. Funny the name of the game is called "Blurring the walls" insinuating that they will lose sight of the boundaries that a couple acts within and someone will overstep the wall whether its the guy or the girl.

In this case it will end up with the way the dev wants it to, you're ranting like this is real life and not just a porn game. The games I play and the porn I watch have no bearing on the kind of sex life I have with my wife. I travel a lot and so like to indulge these fantasies and that's all they will ever be, ITS NOT REAL LIFE!!!!

 

[Artist271]

Dev, do whatever you want with the game. Don't let the plot be dictated how people want it, you'll regret it if you don't have your full vision out there.