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I'm not going to kick someone while their SSD is down, at least he has backups (multiple).and should have set up a RAID system for just such crashes, just like any responsible business would... oh wait...
i'm not kicking him either, he said he had backups, not RAID, but regular backups, so it's much better than nothing.I'm not going to kick someone while their SSD is down, at least he has backups (multiple).
Idiotic? Absolutely. It's just as smart as all the "My drive died. Save file please?" requests.Strange to live in a world where we have Devs with $5000+ GPUs
but then NO RAID
Like WHAT?
I thought RAID wasn't as much a thing with SSDs? I assume if one went, the other would be on it's last legs cycle wise. I also wouldn't want to raid the fast SSD's purely because I am a cheap ass, and fast large SSD's are far too expensive. I'd say the only thing lost is the time to reimage.i'm not kicking him either, he said he had backups, not RAID, but regular backups, so it's much better than nothing.
the likelihood of them both going out at the exact same time is slighty better than winning the lottery odds.I thought RAID wasn't as much a thing with SSDs? I assume if one went, the other would be on it's last legs cycle wise. I also wouldn't want to raid the fast SSD's purely because I am a cheap ass, and fast large SSD's are far too expensive. I'd say the only thing lost is the time to reimage.
Depends on how he does back ups.
there is a saying,"...a fool and his money..."I'm very afraid that the ignore list is limited to a thousand entries, since I'm almost approaching this limit, and they keep coming and coming...
I just can't figure out how it works. People at Ocean's Discord are screaming, "Ocean, shut up and take our money. Make us a $100 tier because $50 is not enough."
And at the same time, respectable freeloading consumers at the Zone shout: "Milking, this is nothing more but milking."
I don’t even want to delve into what they consider milking: Dev moves to another apartment - it's milking, an overly optimistic estimate published - it's milking, hardware problems - this is still good old milking.
And the most idiotic assumption in this thread: "He just wants supporters to pay for another month." So if he didn't tell people what was going on and just kept quiet until next week, would they all cancel their support? Seriously? Those who continued to support him after he failed to meet his December/January targets as he originally planned? The breadroll-level thinking.
I might see some sense in assumption that since he's made public statements again that he's about to, most likely, if all goes well, he'll probably deliver a release before the end of this month. While, in fact, he screwed up a little with his damn reworks and postworks and still needs time to prepare the Steam release.
The thing is, that in the past, Ocean always announced a release delay, even if it caused a massive butthurt in this thread. And he was never afraid to tell the public the unpopular reasons for it, like wanting to rework the Marla gun scene or the delays and issues related to the music licensing, even though the crowd was screaming, "Fuck the music, just release the fucking update." Nah, I don't see why he needs the lame excuse of "the cat ate my hard drive" just to continue the subscription for the next month. He will get it even if he remains silent.
But what do they mean? Who is being milked? Obviously it's not them, because they're getting the game for free. Patreon subscribers? But why do some randos speak for them? Why don't they stop their support if they think they're being milked?
The mystery is more intriguing than where Summer is gone.
Yes, all of this.I'm very afraid that the ignore list is limited to a thousand entries, since I'm almost approaching this limit, and they keep coming and coming...
I just can't figure out how it works. People at Ocean's Discord are screaming, "Ocean, shut up and take our money. Make us a $100 tier because $50 is not enough."
And at the same time, respectable freeloading consumers at the Zone shout: "Milking, this is nothing more but milking."
I don’t even want to delve into what they consider milking: Dev moves to another apartment - it's milking, an overly optimistic estimate published - it's milking, hardware problems - this is still good old milking.
And the most idiotic assumption in this thread: "He just wants supporters to pay for another month." So if he didn't tell people what was going on and just kept quiet until next week, would they all cancel their support? Seriously? Those who continued to support him after he failed to meet his December/January targets as he originally planned? The breadroll-level thinking.
I might see some sense in assumption that since he's made public statements again that he's about to, most likely, if all goes well, he'll probably deliver a release before the end of this month. While, in fact, he screwed up a little with his damn reworks and postworks and still needs time to prepare the Steam release.
The thing is, that in the past, Ocean always announced a release delay, even if it caused a massive butthurt in this thread. And he was never afraid to tell the public the unpopular reasons for it, like wanting to rework the Marla gun scene or the delays and issues related to the music licensing, even though the crowd was screaming, "Fuck the music, just release the fucking update." Nah, I don't see why he needs the lame excuse of "the cat ate my hard drive" just to continue the subscription for the next month. He will get it even if he remains silent.
But what do they mean? Who is being milked? Obviously it's not them, because they're getting the game for free. Patreon subscribers? But why do some randos speak for them? Why don't they stop their support if they think they're being milked?
The mystery is more intriguing than where Summer is gone.
No bro, I don't get any idea from the common sayings that are not relevant to the point.there is a saying,"...a fool and his money..."
there is also a saying, "... Opinions are like ..."
you get the idea.
Ocean makes art, so everyone wants it.
some people have more $ then sense... and
some people, like myself, are cheap ass MFkers...
would you say Ocean's games are better than say TES V (skyrim)?No bro, I don't get any idea from the common sayings that are not relevant to the point.
But let me share one more idea that you might find refreshing.
This art, as you said, is possible not only thanks to Ocean’s talents, perseverance and belief in success. But there is a fair share of every his supporter who helped him with their money and loyalty. That's why the guys like you and me can enjoy this art.
Therefore, calling everyone who appreciates Ocean’s work and wants to help him create a fucking cool game a fools who don’t know the value of money is at the very least hypocritical, if we use the results achieved thanks to the talent and hard work of the developer and money of his supporters.
In an alternate timeline there's no backups too.No... Only two options for us now...
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You forgot to add the single, overarching one: AVN Dev breathes - it's milking.I don’t even want to delve into what they consider milking: Dev moves to another apartment - it's milking, an overly optimistic estimate published - it's milking, hardware problems - this is still good old milking.
The Most interesting thing this is. Buy an Windows USB-Stick. Every fucking Windows User do that that themself. HDD or SSD is always a part ya should atleast 2-3 new drives at home for the possible failure and as Dev this thing is a Have Must.
Too bad he didn't wait until after World Backup Day for this to happen (apparently this is a real thing):The Most interesting thing this is. Buy an Windows USB-Stick. Every fucking Windows User do that that themself. HDD or SSD is always a part ya should atleast 2-3 new drives at home for the possible failure and as Dev this thing is a Have Must.
I always have a really good laugh when Dev's post there problems.
It seems like you just dont understand patreon, you're not buying a game there, youre supporting a dev/project. Its based on the idea that you want to help the dev to finish/continue his project because you like it. Its pretty simple.would you say Ocean's games are better than say TES V (skyrim)?
i bought that game for $29.00, then i bought more copies for my daughter, my wife and a friend. that is less than 3 months of Oceans top supporter tier for an unfinished product going on how many years.... so it was likely a better investment than his supporters... but to each his own. I would probably toss him cash [there are maybe 5 devs i would do so] if i Could actually spare it.
i do see your point, i believe we are both correct in this regard, he makes a good product, and is incentivized to not be fast.
heck i know for a fact my son supported several devs when he moved out of my house a few years ago to get married, he forgot to cancel about $150.00/month of them and really felt it a couple months later when he was 100% responsible for himself monetarily. it was a funny facepalm for us both [i recognized one of the names he let slip, luckily he couldn't see my face].
i actually think Ocean's biggest problem isn't work ethic, its perfectionism, or he wouldn't stop a few sessions in to redo them the chapters, he would just keep going and make the next game 'cleaner' etc. but he sees his 'art' and .... his artist' eye starts screaming at him...
Mila is a perfect example, while some will say she is amazeballs gorgeous now, no one said she was just OK before.
and i noted that Ocean doesn't really go for the static Daz shots with groups either.
so Lucky Us... and ... darn.
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we deserve it
She's one of the main LIs, so arguably just as important as all the others.If she isn't one of the main ones (if not "The" main one) I wouldn't want her on the cover art. People would be too focused on her (since she's on the cover) thinking she's mega important but in reality, she's just a side piece for a quickie.
Well she's the second favourite if that counts? Just because Nami and Bella got more screen time does not automatically make them more entitled to be the face of Summer's Gone.Nami, Bella "Devs fav" or whoever else that is important (summer?) should be on the cover.
So something like the gallery art? Sure, if your goal is to display all the characters' faces. But this isn't a hollywood movie, and Ocean isn't forced to make those kind of posters, so I don't think he will (Might be a bit of a personal opinion, but those type of banners suck ass and lack in creativity and artistic vision).Hell, all 3/4 whatever with different faces on each of them with a line splitting them in the game cover so they all have a piece.
I think he wants to release it first on Steam and some days later on Patreon.Me personally, I'm just wondering that if he was an hour away from sending the finished build to Steam, why he didn't release it on the Patreon to begin with. The Full can't be a Steam-only release.