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How would you rate the performance of ChatGPT (using your methodology) compared to alternatives such as DeepL, Google Translate, and Sugoi's offline translation model? Is this assessment based purely on the quality of the English (writing fluency)? Have you considered comparing against a gold standard such as a professional translation to assess translation accuracy also? I could potentially assist with a manual translation if you'd be interested in conducting such a pilot study, though it would need to be from a game I've played (I play a lot of NTR games).
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In direct comparison I wouldn't call 3.5 a massive improvement over DeepL or Sugoi. What makes ChatGPT so much better for translation is that you can feed it context in the form of prompts to lead its output, something you can't do with the others. It also helps that it's really good at outputting proper english.
For example normally MTL's struggle with gender consistency. ChatGPT isn't different in this aspect. However if you feed it enough context, character names/genders, as well as who the speaker is, then it has no trouble distinguishing them (at least as far as I've tested).
If you would like to help me test the accuracy of the translation, this game is actually a good one to test on. I can send you the raw map files and you can compare a few scenes with the translation to see how close it actually gets.
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"Will these MTL's dissaude translators from translating these games? Idk, I really don't buy it." This is a very common thing discussed in the translation community very often. Making MTLs is totally fine, I just hope you can reconsider doing it on older games.
It has never crossed my mind to make a proper translation of this game, but at this rate is likely you will publish an MTL of a game that is either getting a proper translation or has planned a proper translation from me or other translators. Which will only do damage to the perceived quality of these new games on the western side of the world. In my opinion, games translations should not be just understandable but also enjoyable. A decent game will turn to be just "meh" or "bad" with a translation with no character personality and context issues.
MTLing games that are older or actually have 0 chances of getting translated is guaranteed to benefit everyone, but just going for the new games will have high chances to ruin them forever, since once the MTL is up, it will set the perceived quality of the general public. Tons of reviews and comments will be made from it and even if the game gets a proper translation later down the line, those reviews will stay forever there.
I really hope that soon enough we will be able to upload entire game files and .jsons to these AIs to get proper translations but for now I hope you can give this conversation more thought and also ask around what other people think to become a much bigger positive force for the community.
With great power comes great responsibility
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I heard in terms of accuracy for 3.5 is slightly worse than Deepl and Sugoi, but the better context and wording of ChatGPT makes it more readable. Those context related issues (mis-gendered words) from Deepl and Sugoi really do stick out.
But then again 3.5 is the cheap version of ChatGPT compared to 4.0...
I do wonder how accurate 4.0 is.
But then again 3.5 is the cheap version of ChatGPT compared to 4.0...
I do wonder how accurate 4.0 is.
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One of the main issues I've encountered with MTL is subject/object confusion. I'm curious to see how GPT3.5 performs in this regard. Give me the JP and ENG text for the first scene and I'll see what I can do. I haven't played this game, nor do I intend to, but I might be able to make do by just playing that scene.
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I propose a rough set of guidelines for machine translation to handle some of these concerns:
- Categorize releases into tiers: Commercial manual, fan manual, edited MTL, MTL. These tiers are chosen for simplicity and minimal ambiguity, unlike a theoretical translation quality assessment. Optionally, add a description of translation methodology (such as GPT3.5 with added context).
- Clearly distinguish release tiers: Tag the tier the release belongs to (this can currently be done by the original poster). But we also need filters that allow users to ignore edited MTL and/or MTL. This can only be implemented by the site admins, but it's necessary. (Tentative) Fan manual releases subsequent to MTL releases could get a new thread, though handling strings of incomplete/abandoned translation projects could get messy.
- Selecting titles to work on: Avoid titles with active translation projects at a higher tier (commercial manual > fan manual > edited MTL > MTL). Such projects should demonstrate evidence of progress or be announced by a group with a credible history of releases. Keep in mind that commercial projects will always have the option of simultaneous release, which MTL can never compete with.
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This is a save for the Ugly Bastard NTR route. I still cannot figure out how to get the teacher route. I could use some help. Remove the last "." in the name of this save file.
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Mmmm yeah... Maybe with enough alcohol..
Also I won't forgive you for making me think of that bloody tutturuuu again, It just kinda sticks in my head!!
Full save all routes unlocked I grabbed it from translation request thread of this game
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On paper it's a very good proposition. However it would only work if a complete new thread is made if a translation gets an upgrade.
I think it's okayish how MTL tags are handled right now, my issue is, once again, releasing MTLs of new games and permanently downgrading a "possible" much better experience is just sad.
Bruh this game has "Hell" in the recollection room where you see the 3 suffering and burning xD
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Commercial projects aren't going to care whether an MTL is available on F95. The audiences are different.
Fan projects might care--visibility/attention is the social currency that tends to power such projects--but manpower is limited and the likelihood of a finished project in a reasonable timeframe is low for any given project. I could potentially see the fan TL scene atrophying, but that's already happening due to commercial projects cannibalizing the talented translators. Fan TL probably won't be able to compete with advanced MTL in a simple contest for interest; "free" users tend to care more about the appeal of the base game rather than the quality of the TL, and the scalability of MTL will always provide an advantage in number of titles to choose from. Therefore free fan TLs will likely become an endangered species. However, I could see Patreon-funded fan TLs living on: there will always be super fans willing to pay for a better experience, and where there's money there will be those willing to work for it. The crowdfunding model also provides an incentive for backers to promote the projects, which will help them stand out from the sea of MTL releases.
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Two days before her birthday, the girl should be at the school. Talk to her and when the option come up tell her "i agree". Ugly bastard seems to be default bad end, while i'm assuming the friend starts his route if you go to talk to him at the shrine at night like he asks.
I have played the game and just saw the friend scenes in the gallery, it was a hard ntr painful for the mc and I can't even imagine how are the other routes, specially the ugly bastard because if you do the happy route which is the one that I did you discover that the story is very shady.
After watching the story I agree with having the place where the antagonists are being burned, the deserve that and much more. I just don't understand why the friend antagonist is being burned by the kid of the insects, I think I miss the part where he treats him bad or something because for the ugly bastard he is being burned by Natsuka's dad I think and the teacher is being burned by some female teacher or girl that suffered harassment from him.
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After watching the story I agree with having the place where the antagonists are being burned, the deserve that and much more. I just don't understand why the friend antagonist is being burned by the kid of the insects, I think I miss the part where he treats him bad or something because for the ugly bastard he is being burned by Natsuka's dad I think and the teacher is being burned by some female teacher or girl that suffered harassment from him.
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I always wonder what's the point of having no scenes for the avoidable path... it feels like your being punished for choosing to NOT let the LI get raped and corrupted. It also feels super lazy.
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I like games that implement NTR in the following ways:
- Unavoidable scenes with differing levels of intensity depending on which route you're on / heading for. It might just be touching in the non-NTR route, but it's still sexual and stimulates feelings of jealousy. There may be suspense about just how far the action will go. Cli Pick does this pretty well.
- Games with multiple heroines where preventing NTR is difficult or has trade-offs. Preventing NTR all the time may result in bad things happening or bad ends, or be punished by game mechanics. It may be impossible to avoid all scenes with all heroines, as favoring/protecting one leaves the others vulnerable. School Days is a good example of this.
- Games that focus on suspense. It's boring if the outcome feels predetermined. Good NTR requires both a lingering feeling of anxiety and the carrot of hope--that everything could still turn out ok.