Not a euphemism, and arguably not real peanut butter and jelly. I mean...we not that up good. It ain't Jif peanut butter, it's gif and the jelly is shmugs instead of shmuckers
Huge majority of porn developers here nowadays don't even care and just want money for little work!
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Honestly? It can't be proven. But I do think it is true. After all, this is a piracy site and a tiny portion of us actually buy/patronize games. Or else the typical developer would make more than pocket change, as they do now.
Just like developers milking cannot actually be proven, but we all know certain developers do it. Not anywhere close to a "huge majority" though.
I'll also amend my comment to be less-parody like and say " The majority of people who whine about "milker devs" have never actually paid for the games they are now accusing the developer of milking."
People accuse developers of milking even if they don't make enough money to milk. People accuse developers of milking even if they don't charge people. People accuse developers of milking even when the updates for the game, while taking a while to update, are very large updates. Etc.
So as I said, most people who accuse developers of milking are mad about update times. No more, no less.
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I'm testing out an alternative model:
Basically, I'm trying to combine retail sales and subscriptions into one. People who want to continue to support me for the monthly tier benefits can continue to do so. Those who want to pause or stop altogether can walk away with something rather than nothing.
This whole issue would stop if people would quit paying devs to be alpha/beta testers instead of the other way around. As long as a project remains unfinished, don't pay for it. If that means whoever the dev is dreams never come true, well, fuck em', they need to have something presentable before they start begging.
My post will be deleted (extremely reddit based moment) but here me out:
Most porn-devs hire cheap artists or Chinese artist labors for jack-shit (looking at you, towerfag)
Spend the first few month(s) making a game seemingly put "effort" into it
reel the small fish money in, and slow down the game tad bit by making a post announcement
stop making the game all together
Most porn-devs hire cheap artists or Chinese artist labors for jack-shit (looking at you, towerfag)
Spend the first few month(s) making a game seemingly put "effort" into it
reel the small fish money in, and slow down the game tad bit by making a post announcement
stop making the game all together
Petty much for quick cash. Buy a few 3d assets, let them fuck each other, slowly add new backgrounds, poses..etc to milk their members, bragging about personal life problems (like ate too much can't work this month).
Then the "oh shit moment"! They announce that they fucked up because of the software, their family, dog ate their hard drive and so on. They have to rework, change the engine or abandon and move on to another game.
Then the "oh shit moment"! They announce that they fucked up because of the software, their family, dog ate their hard drive and so on. They have to rework, change the engine or abandon and move on to another game.
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Thats why I don't give them money, and milk them for content instead
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Lets not forget, grandma got eaten by a pitbull and I had to get a scrotectomy from my raging gangrenous balls 2 months ago, so heres some renders I whipped up while I defend myself on my F95 threads using mule accounts.
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Quick question there but how does Japanese devs manage to make a profit out of their game ?
Most of them never use Patreon and only get paid when they release a completed version on DLsite or any other website close to this.
Guess they don't make a profit except for the top ones ?
Most of them never use Patreon and only get paid when they release a completed version on DLsite or any other website close to this.
Guess they don't make a profit except for the top ones ?
Ci-En can act as a sort of Patreon I believe. I used to pay for a few artists and some games on there myself but I do not know how much of a cut they get.
As for the actual topic, my biggest problem with H Games is how similar they are to each other now. So many medieval games where girls with basically the same two or three body types are raped by orcs, goblins, and other generic stuff (I have no idea why zombies suddenly became so popular). Where's the all the creativity? Add some sci-fi, modern fantasy, or something other than small town/city girl versus the same stuff we've seen in so many other games. Oh yeah add more normal looking women in normal clothing, not something with breasts that can compare to her head, or completely flat chested in barely there clothing. To add to this further, more than a few games I can think of didn't even release with a freaking gallery, you know one of the most basic things an H-Game should have. It's also probably just bad luck on my part but there's so much NTR and urination now too. I usually don't care about vanilla because it's usually boring, but again I hate seeing a title and going "This looks interesting, oh there's NTR, pissing, cheating, among many other things I dislike." Trying to find a good MILF title (game or otherwise) without NTR, cheating, incest, or a shota protagonist is basically impossible.
TLDR; A lot of developers are getting lazy, using the same idea repeatedly, and not even putting in the effort of putting in basic things like galleries.
Also tag your stuff properly, for everyone's sake.
There's a studio structure, publishers, distributors, prepaids and... you know, shit that used to exist in the normie games industry before Apple and Google came down like a dual set of Chicxulub impactors to the games industry. Since then it's essentially Indie (starve and hope), Mobile (Starve or get investment, then hope like HELL) or AAA (1,500 people, $200M USD and a job spending 2 years tweaking the eyebrow animation of the main character)
Obviously, no porn on Google/Apple, so the old structure still holds in Japan.
I think most (as in, the far majority / nearly all) Japanese H-games are made by small studios, rather than solo devs.
So the devs and artists are paid salaries, while the studios make profit after release of completed games.
Japan is H-friendly. Making a H-games studio is not very different than making a regular small games studio.
I don't think that's right, while adult games are generally not very profitable, there's a big market for them in Japan.
if the average h-game sells 100,000 copies, at 2,000 Yen (approx $20 usd, rn $15 cause of this year's inflation) each, that's 2 million USD net profit, which still leaves decent profit after taking into account production and running costs.
These aren't quoted figures or anything, I'm just giving an idea of how it works based on my knowledge.
When I first discovered h-games, I didn't even know there were solo-dev games like that for about 6 months. I played - and searched through - a lot of Japanese H-games (many not even translated), and none of the ones I saw or played were made by a solo dev.
I would generally agree with this, and thanks for talking about it, but the download figures on your average DLsite game are not encouraging. It seems like an environment reminiscent of patreon over there, where the big big devs have the stable profit you're talking about, but most games I've cared to look at outside of those big devs seem to sell pretty poorly, and slowly at that. Sometimes one of those will rocket up and start a new fad, but most games really seem to languish... Idk, I haven't done any strenuous research on this, just going off of the times I've been on there and glanced at the sales figures on games, so if anyone has that'd be kinda interesting to know about
I can't speak for other online JP marketplaces for porn games ofc
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I can assure the OP and all other complainers that majority of devs know pretty well that game development is anything but get rich quick scheme. If you hope to ever reach a point when the game development makes you enough to go full time, you basically need to grind for years. There are some lucky exceptions who got substantial funding pretty fast, but these are just that, exceptions.
People who go into this thinking they'll get easy cash fast usually quit after 2 updates when they realize they spent hundreds of hours and getting like 6 patrons. If you ever wat to pass this development phase, you really need to enjoy what you do.
The only thing some devs do that I don't understand is a complete neglect of communication. There is simply no excuse to not write a few lines of development update at least once a month. If you don't write an update for two months sice your last release, I just consider the game abandoned.
People who go into this thinking they'll get easy cash fast usually quit after 2 updates when they realize they spent hundreds of hours and getting like 6 patrons. If you ever wat to pass this development phase, you really need to enjoy what you do.
The only thing some devs do that I don't understand is a complete neglect of communication. There is simply no excuse to not write a few lines of development update at least once a month. If you don't write an update for two months sice your last release, I just consider the game abandoned.
That's pretty much the model of patreon in the first place. If you like the dev's work and want to support them doing work that you may get to enjoy in the future (no real guarantees there), then support them. If you don't, then don't. If you don't like how subscription support for unknown returns work, don't bother with things like patreon or subscribestar.
The title of this thread is such a huge troll to start with. Let's say that a huge majority is means somewhere between a simple majority and supermajority... No, fuck that, given that the majority of both code and art is never released in the first place, regardless of business model, I'd guess that the majority of porn devs aren't actually on patreon to start with.
So to be a bit more generous, maybe the OP meant of those on patreon. Do even half of the game threads that have patreon/subscribestar support links (where the dev is actually on the thread) feel like the dev doesn't care and just wants money? It's weird when people are supporting a game, instead of a dev or an artist, and I think that's just a bad model. People supporting an artist on patreon may get the same render content, just without the code, but for some reason seem less happy about how much content they get when it's in a game, even though the addition of the code makes it more work.
I'm over simplifying a ton, but when you're supporting one person, and expecting them to be a writer, dev, and artist (yeah renders are still artist work even if the assets are all off the shelf), when it's incredibly rare for someone to be good at all three. Some patreons are supporting whole teams, but teams also fall apart just for different reasons than individuals do.
TL;DR - Just treat patreon like gambling, don't do it if you can't affort it, go into it expecting that most games and artists fail, and the work if completed is never released.
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Exceptions are usually people that are already well-known (as an artist or as a dev) releasing a very promising project and getting quickly an audience for their game, basically because they already had one.
Let's get some basics out of the way: milkers 100% exist. There aren't many of them (out of the maybe 10000 porn game projects here, I'd guess it's around 100 might qualify as milkers, aka 1% of the total) as most projects simply die, and most other projects keep steadily building their games in earnest. But it's still annoying to see the likes of Milfy City/Dahr/etc. making money for doing essentially nothing for years. And because they've in many cases made at least one game that most visitors to the site have heard of, the existence of these scummy Patreon/Subscribestar pages is relevant to the average f95 user as a caution if nothing else. It's not super great for smaller devs to deal with the constant worry of being called a milker if you take a week off or something, but welcome to Internet. You chose to make your money asking for donations from the masturbatingest people on the web (what did you think the web was made of, silk?). Immature and otherwise shitty behavior from your customers is one of the costs of doing your business here.
Thing is, I don't think people are even all that mad at the milkers. How could you be? They didn't kidnap their supporters' families. They didn't promise to cure cancer and then fail in a way that killed all their patients. They stopped updating a porn game, that their supporters voluntarily signed up to support, and then those same supporters continued to support the associated Patreon/Subscribestar page either because they didn't bother to check on the game months/years later or bought the absolute flimsiest excuses for why the game isn't being updated years later. You're mad, instead, that those supporters are wasting their money on something that is similar to something that would benefit you, but doesn't. They could be using their money to support your favorite game, or to pay you to make your extra special amazing game, but they aren't. They're throwing it away. And there's absolutely nothing you can do to stop it for the greatest majority of people who support these milkers. So you should simply forget about it. It's probably shitty for said milker to take peoples' money, but they are completely free to do so. It's on the table either way. So some do.
But you can do something about your own self: clean your subscriptions regularly. Ask yourself, "Am I subbing because I still play that game/because I sincerely expect something good to come out in a reasonable time frame? Or is it because the dev was nice to me once and I don't want him to feel bad? Or am I just subbing because I liked that game and haven't checked in recently to see if it's a ghost town?" Then, if there's a game you're still subbing to that you shouldn't, cut it off. Patreon and Subscribestar, unsurprisingly, don't have an 'inactivity monitor.' They don't tell you that Dr. Cocktor hasn't posted anything at all in two months. They do better if you forget about his game entirely and focus on game updates you do see, because they get transaction fees whether Dr. Cocktor delivers an amazing game update every month like clockwork or loses his Patreon password on day 2 but donations keep rolling in.
Unsatisfying, huh? Yup. That's because it's a sensible thing you can do that helps you a little, takes some time, and crushes a little bit of your hopes and dreams every time you do it. Kinda like going to the gym. But, that's how you keep devs honest and shift your disposable porn cash to devs who deserve it more based on the work they're doing and how much you enjoy what they make (and sometimes away from those same devs if they implode, which also happens).
Thing is, I don't think people are even all that mad at the milkers. How could you be? They didn't kidnap their supporters' families. They didn't promise to cure cancer and then fail in a way that killed all their patients. They stopped updating a porn game, that their supporters voluntarily signed up to support, and then those same supporters continued to support the associated Patreon/Subscribestar page either because they didn't bother to check on the game months/years later or bought the absolute flimsiest excuses for why the game isn't being updated years later. You're mad, instead, that those supporters are wasting their money on something that is similar to something that would benefit you, but doesn't. They could be using their money to support your favorite game, or to pay you to make your extra special amazing game, but they aren't. They're throwing it away. And there's absolutely nothing you can do to stop it for the greatest majority of people who support these milkers. So you should simply forget about it. It's probably shitty for said milker to take peoples' money, but they are completely free to do so. It's on the table either way. So some do.
But you can do something about your own self: clean your subscriptions regularly. Ask yourself, "Am I subbing because I still play that game/because I sincerely expect something good to come out in a reasonable time frame? Or is it because the dev was nice to me once and I don't want him to feel bad? Or am I just subbing because I liked that game and haven't checked in recently to see if it's a ghost town?" Then, if there's a game you're still subbing to that you shouldn't, cut it off. Patreon and Subscribestar, unsurprisingly, don't have an 'inactivity monitor.' They don't tell you that Dr. Cocktor hasn't posted anything at all in two months. They do better if you forget about his game entirely and focus on game updates you do see, because they get transaction fees whether Dr. Cocktor delivers an amazing game update every month like clockwork or loses his Patreon password on day 2 but donations keep rolling in.
Unsatisfying, huh? Yup. That's because it's a sensible thing you can do that helps you a little, takes some time, and crushes a little bit of your hopes and dreams every time you do it. Kinda like going to the gym. But, that's how you keep devs honest and shift your disposable porn cash to devs who deserve it more based on the work they're doing and how much you enjoy what they make (and sometimes away from those same devs if they implode, which also happens).
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