Why so much hate toward AI art?

Death69inc

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I came around to ai art as in sorta like deepfake celeb type ai art. Game of throens etc. But then the ass banned me when I called him hitler after he started adding DA watermarks on paid sub content. Shrugs Rookies cant deal with the "Art" being posted to facebook by others not me lol. Either case lasted 3 days before water marks started 1050 images later. Ill find somewhere to post them not sure what was paid content and what was free lol.
 

Cybor93

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I came around to ai art as in sorta like deepfake celeb type ai art. Game of throens etc. But then the ass banned me when I called him hitler after he started adding DA watermarks on paid sub content. Shrugs Rookies cant deal with the "Art" being posted to facebook by others not me lol. Either case lasted 3 days before water marks started 1050 images later. Ill find somewhere to post them not sure what was paid content and what was free lol.
UUUUU, scary :D
 

alala69

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You are so completely wrong on that though. That is what happens when you get your knowledge straight out of twitter :p

Artists will never be replaced, the same way as web developers weren't replaced when software like frontpage and similar started appearing. Whether you like it or not, AI is already part of some software artists use, such as Photoshop.
Aside from the copyright stuff Meaning Less mentioned, even if this was not a concern, there are things only Artists can do and AI will never be able to replicate, no matter how good it gets.

The only thing AI does is making art more accessible to other people who are not talented artistically.
However, you still need to put work to make something good, even the cherry picked examples have some issues if you analyze an image long enough, you simply cannot use them as-is in a project, even if copyright was not an issue.
In fact, it is a problem that goes beyond technological creation, and that occurs with each new technology. This is a basic problem (political and social) linked to economic capitalism. Since the 19th century, all businesses have been in a crazy competition for profit. If your competitor overtakes you, then you will do everything to catch up with her, see overtake her in turn.

Therefore, the generated AI will develop more and more in the name of profit. Artists are not going to disappear, they are going to become more and more elitist. And those who can't match the performance of AI will either sell their art for little or give it away for free.
It's exactly the same problem between craftsmanship and industrial mass production. Today only those who have money can order handicrafts, otherwise you go to Walmart.

We're heading into a cyberpunk-style society, sorry if that's a bit pessimistic, but I'm trying to be optimistic.
Sorry for my poor English.
 
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Archaon11111

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I don't hate the AI games that are posted on this site mainly because the majority of other major projects here just use generic Daz stuff, Screenshots from Kokaitsu/Illusion/HoneySelect, or just trace over real life porn scenes. Besides you can tell AI art from a mile away so its very easy to avoid unless you're retarded.

What I DO hate about AI is that it allows the endless internet monkeys spam endless garbage of their shit fetishes like guro, inflation, obesity and other niche stuff that nobody wants to see. What you'd only see a handful of when it comes to these specific garbage when browsing porn is now spammed everywhere en masse.
 
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bumbiee.soft

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AI is going to take what make us human, it is simply wiping out humanity and takes the most valuable thing from us, the ART. I really don't enjoy pictures anymore as I doubt they might be created by AI. It is really hard to find that out whether an image is created by AI or not. Nothing seems to be original anymore, even in instagram when I saw a thing that I like, I check hashtags to be sure that it is not AI.

and I prefer bad body shapes, ugly faces to beautiful AI generated ones. at least they are humans.
 

F4C430

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It is really hard to find that out whether an image is created by AI or not. Nothing seems to be original anymore, even in instagram when I saw a thing that I like, I check hashtags to be sure that it is not AI.
That's interesting. For the games i've come across on here with AI-generated images, i knew it was AI from a quick glance at the screenshots before even noticing the tag.

Aside from the lazy people who publish AI images exactly as they're output with no touchup and without fixing the number of fingers, i dislike that 95% of the adult images i've seen all are going for the same boring photorealistic style. I was playing around with a Stable AI and had some interesting outputs in the style of 80's anime and Luis Royo. I wish people would be a bit more creative when using the tools.
 

d7anime

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AI is going to take what make us human, it is simply wiping out humanity and takes the most valuable thing from us, the ART. I really don't enjoy pictures anymore as I doubt they might be created by AI. It is really hard to find that out whether an image is created by AI or not. Nothing seems to be original anymore, even in instagram when I saw a thing that I like, I check hashtags to be sure that it is not AI.

and I prefer bad body shapes, ugly faces to beautiful AI generated ones. at least they are humans.
these takes will never cease to confuse me. Its as if all the humans forgot that the system they exist in didnt confer the ability to be creative to you. A creator simply enjoys creating. It doesnt matter if the world is flooded by a plethora of generated art tailored to each individual. The only people terrified of this are those that wish to keep art within a structured paradigm set by Academia, both in the west and east. As someone that is formally trained in art, college and all, I get pissed hearing all these artists whine and moan about this when they never gave a shit about automation until it affected them.

"Oh, youre an accountant getting automated, just learn to draw bro!"

"No" said the human consciousness, "You(the self serving artist) will have to accept being yet another node in a network much larger than any one individual or cause"

imagine mitochondria afraid of becoming a multicellular organism. lol. lmao even
 

d7anime

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and I swear, if another person starts claiming "its just remixing from a database" again, I'll...just go jerk off. kek

in 20 years when these systems run the world's resources efficiently and keep the stupid fucking humans from killing each other, despite their best efforts Im sure, I'll be in my cave enjoying the finest custom generated sex adventure ever crafted :ROFLMAO:
 

Hadley

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I'm totally for AI Art, but I dont think the Tech is there yet. I tried a lot of SD and consistency is a huge problem. You can get pretty good looking pictures but I, at least, couldn't get the exact same looking character in multiple poses. They always looked somewhat different.
 

davidstefan

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AI porn is fascinating, and it's not that bad tbh. There are a lot of already. Lets wait and see how it goes
 
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SenMizeri

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Same reason many hate games with stolen assets... Have you tried playing any of those games where CGs were AI generated? The artstyle is completely inconsistent and all over the place unfortunetely.

It has nothing to do with ethics, it has everything to do with low effort being evident in the final product.
.... or not being able to afford a decent artist? Some game devs are only starting on their first game you know? You have to start somewhere.
You guys gotta realise that "AI art" doesn't mean that there's an actual sci-fi sentient robot painting pictures for whoever asks for it, nor is is a "collage" of pre-existing pictures. It's a VERY light piece of software scripts that learns how to depict something by looking at images to guide it's digital paintbrush, just like any real person wanting to create art would. Claiming that Stable Diffusion is "collaging" or using existing images is preposterous, original dataset of 5 BILLION images is 240 TERAbytes heavy! And Stable Diffusion models sizes? In 4-8 GIGAbytes ballpark. And no, it's not "connecting" anywhere to get info, or "search internet real-time", local UI's capable of working completely offline.

Stable Diffusion is but a TOOL, a neural network that you use for synthography. And already, at this very moment, you can use it to produce original art indistinguishable from artworks of highest quality with consistent style and characters - cause it can be TRAINED to create what you need it to create, from perfect hands and specific characters faces to sexual poses and dynamic action. And as you might have guessed - it requires time, skill and technical know-how. All that said - good luck trying to ban or track it, it's gonna be simply unenforceable at this point.

I'm gonna attach a simple explanation image as to what "diffusion" means in regard to creating art, but you more then welcome to doing bare minimum and googling "how stable diffusion works" before you start spouting nonsense when discussing "AI art".
Still, it's dirty to change the definition of 'intelligence' to market it as something that it isn't. There is no intelligence in said "ai"... Evolutionary biologists, and other similiar experts don't consider a hornet, or other insects, to have any intelligence at all, because they don't have a thought process - which is what intelligence is.

The "ai" part is a marketing gimmick, and wordplay - they've changed a definition to make it "true".
 
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balitz Method

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I think the worst thing about AI is copywriters, artists and designers who actually make their own stuff. It can put them out of business. It's sad, but some of the AI work is really great.
Yeah, the long and short of it is that this technology depends entirely on taking images and text that people worked really hard on without their permission to create cheap mock-ups that are legally distinct. This couldn't be any more flagrantly a way for the powers that be to exploit the rest of us even more efficiently than they already can. Society is not ready for this technology and how we end up dealing with it will determine just how bad things are going to get.

If corporations lean into this hard enough it's going to make a staggering number of jobs not exist anymore and standards are going to drop as we have to deal with AI's 'good enough (if you don't look at the background, the lighting, or the club hands)' results. We're already dealing with inflation; AI programs are going to stress already-straining infrastructure.
 
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balitz Method

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Honestly it's better to learn the signs early regardless of your reasons. Being able to spot AI generated images and text is going to become a survival skill.

For instance: spotting scams often comes down to noticing whether something seems 'off' or not. With AI-generated images and text it wouldn't be very hard to create mock-ups that make the scam seem more legit. If you're not familiar with AI tells you're vulnerable to being taken advantage of.
 
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gaogao

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AI is going to take what make us human, it is simply wiping out humanity and takes the most valuable thing from us, the ART.
To me that is nonsense.

AI can't take humanity away from humans. It's always humans and corporations that destroy humanity with their greed. It is human who creates slavery and child labor for profits. It is human that wages war to expand their own ideologies. Only humans can steal, murder, and rape. And only humans can create weapons of mass destruction to oppress their own kind. To say AI is an enemy of humanity then humans themselves have forsaken their own agencies and are just deflecting the blame for their own self-inflicting harm.
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To me that is nonsense.

AI can't take humanity away from humans. It's always humans and corporations that destroy humanity with their greed. It is human who creates slavery and child labor for profits. It is human that wages war to expand their own ideologies. Only humans can steal, murder, and rape. And only humans can create weapons of mass destruction to oppress their own kind. To say AI is an enemy of humanity then humans themselves have forsaken their own agencies and are just deflecting the blame for their own self-inflicting harm.
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I don't think AI itself can be regulated when all you need to take advantage of it is a modern-ish home computer. Publishing AI created content is a different story though, several big subscription services are already cracking down on it or considering doing so.
 

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And those who can't match the performance of AI will either sell their art for little or give it away for free.
Those are precisely the artist that will benefit from AI art.
Being able to fix, edit and redraw things is exactly the Skillset for users of the AI Art Tools.
In the first place if the person is not that interested in the art they will not be that engaged in using the AI Tools that much and be entirely dependent on whatever the AI spews without much discretion.

What people don't understand is just the Scale of things that are to come.
What is individual commissions for individual pieces of art are now will become commissions of entier projects and comic books.
Especially you will see a lot more animations. As keyframe and tweening is a nice balance between artist and AI.

This will also help with the project's budget as it's not the amount of assets that you need that are the limit but the quality you want it at.
So Quality will be a factor that can be scaled up and down to be within budget.
Remember that a project that is beyond its budget is not a viable project no matter how much the artists complain about getting paid.
To have a Budget is to have a previous successful work or have a Return on Investment that makes sense. They aren't running a charity for both the artists or players.

The only problem with this is average artists aren't as likely to develop their own unique style and individuality as mimicking the AI art and working with it will be their bread and butter, and their experience and skill will be built based on that.
In other words things will be standardized into certain artstyles like they are in the anime industry.

But on the other hand things will help artists that work in "real projects" like webtoons you see from Korea that break their wrist and fingers left and right, they will fucking love AI and feed the machine as much as it wants.
You can expect that kind of artstyle and anime style to become dirt cheap.
 
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FlemManiac

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As a consumer I hate Ai art because it's purely a tool for the unskilled and lazy to flood the market with low quality trash.
A good Erotica writer doesn't need Ai art to pull the weight of their writing.
A good Game Dev doesn't need Ai art to make fun gameplay.
If the people pushing for/using Ai art were actually any good at what they did they wouldn't need Ai art to begin with.