Why devs instead of making Ntr optional make you chose NTR On / Off before even starting the game?

[lemonfreak]

Question, how would ntr haters react if, when presented with the option to turn ntr off at the start, the game instantly closed?

 

[baneini]

The devs, gamers and discussion surrounding the game would be improved if the devs didn't cater to people who are really career whiners. Just be honest about the games qualities, the story you want to tell and cater to people who like the elements you want to put in the game which results in you finding your audience while improving the conversation by pushing people who dislike the games content voluntarily out.

Theres always some sensitive snowflake coming into a game with certain tags and tell the dev this needs to be skippable and optional, it doesn't matter other people enjoy the content, what matters is their sensitivity. This then antagonizes people who silently enjoyed the content. Why punish people who like your games core content by inviting people with exactly opposite desires into the same space? Cater to your niche audience. A sushi bar doesn't have to serve hamburgers also.

 

[fidless]

I remember pretty long VN and one of the routes was about a bullied girl. You were helping her etc., but one of the possible outcomes is her bullies rape her while you're pinned down. There was an option to resist or stay down. I don't think It had a specific scene, it just that something bad happened.
Even if you click accidentally "Stay down", you still get texts right? ESC works and you can load, right? I don't see an issue for an adult man to click esc and load a save when things go south before witnessing an actual scene. Usually, a text should show that things going bad, right?
It also adds an interesting dynamic where you have to question yourself which wrong choice did you made to have such an outcome. Not all games have to be about sunshine and happiness. Bad things and risks add to the atmosphere and story. Adds drama.
But maybe some games don't need reading and involvement, just skipping text/choices to the next sex scene and a sudden NTR scene can be an issue. Well, then, maybe an option to turn off this thing is a good thing...

 

[DawnCry]

I remember pretty long VN and one of the routes was about a bullied girl. You were helping her etc., but one of the possible outcomes is her bullies rape her while you're pinned down. There was an option to resist or stay down. I don't think It had a specific scene, it just that something bad happened.
Even if you click accidentally "Stay down", you still get texts right? ESC works and you can load, right? I don't see an issue for an adult man to click esc and load a save when things go south before witnessing an actual scene. Usually, a text should show that things going bad, right?
It also adds an interesting dynamic where you have to question yourself which wrong choice did you made to have such an outcome. Not all games have to be about sunshine and happiness. Bad things and risks add to the atmosphere and story. Adds drama.
But maybe some games don't need reading and involvement, just skipping text/choices to the next sex scene and a sudden NTR scene can be an issue. Well, then, maybe an option to turn off this thing is a good thing...

I agree with you, that's how games should be, with risks and stuff happening. In fact that's why my favourite game is kichikuou rance, while it has very old mechanics it's a harem game at it's core but with stuff happening all the time, characters can get raped, stuff can end up badly... in the first playthrough or so it's very normal to get a bad ending, but if you struggle you can achieve the true ending and many good endings, saving the characters and being the hero.

That's what I enjoy about games, overcoming the challenges it gives you to achieve the best ending possible.

 

[Kyrieru]

The fact that someone said NTR "Isn't even a fetish" as if it's a normal thing that should appeal to everyone....seems some people are way out of touch. I like plenty of weird shit, but I have no illusion that what I like isn't weird as hell.

 

[Adabelitoo]

The fact that someone said NTR "Isn't even a fetish" as if it's a normal thing that should appeal to everyone....seems some people are way out of touch. I like plenty of weird shit, but I have no illusion that what I like isn't weird as hell.

I think you got something wrong. Something not being a fetish doesn't mean that it should appeal to everyone. Gay content isn't a fetish and that doesn't mean it appeals to everyone or that it's "weird shit".

 

[Kyrieru]

I think you got something wrong. Something not being a fetish doesn't mean that it should appeal to everyone. Gay content isn't a fetish and that doesn't mean it appeals to everyone or that it's "weird shit".

I know this will come off as dickish, but you should be able to infer what I was getting at without assuming I have the most extreme viewpoint possible. Otherwise every discussion devolves into semantics. My fault for not quoting a specific comment though.

 

[DawnCry]

The fact that someone said NTR "Isn't even a fetish" as if it's a normal thing that should appeal to everyone....seems some people are way out of touch. I like plenty of weird shit, but I have no illusion that what I like isn't weird as hell.

Because I feel it was directed to me I'm gonna comment.

No, NTR itself is a fetish, but it has aplications outside of it, the main being used as a way to challenge the player, to generate gameplay you need an objective and something that counters it so one of the easy elements to use could be the risk of NTR.

And to be fair if it's true my guess that it was because of my comment then I will have to doubt your reading skills, because my god, what I defend is the challenge element not the fetish and in fact gave other challenge options towards the player in my message.

Gonna add the part that you use as reference, because I find your comment insulting.

Only if you take NTR as a fetish it can be okay to make it an option, games need some kind of challenge to be called that, it can be risk of NTR, harem management, or a character in love with the MC that has an undesirable trait (obsessive love, sadism...), all those can provide a decent gameplay and experience.

I can't find a way to miss my meaning in this part that you refer, because what I'm defending is adding challenging elements into the game and that's why I said what i said, but let me make it very clear, I talk about gameplay.

I know this will come off as dickish, but you should be able to infer what I was getting at without assuming I have the most extreme viewpoint possible. Otherwise every discussion devolves into semantics. My fault for not quoting a specific comment though.

Hello irony!.

 

[CarlaDaniela]

But, you know what difference it will make ; it will turn the game NTR free. If from your point of view it imply more differences, in the story by example, then it mean that NTR do not bother you, or at least not this much, and you can simply let it On.




They don't make the NTR content optional in game because knowing what you are agreeing for is something really relative.
You've (too many) players who don't think about the possible consequences before clicking on this or that. Therefore, you find NTR haters who simply click on "let you girl go to a frat party full of horny guys that will make her drink and who know what will happen", then complain that the girl was drunk at a frat party full of horny guys and had sex with them.
They are idiots, but idiots like them exist and some devs have enough of their shit. So, they put a big "Do you want NTR content" at start of the game, expecting for them to at least think about the consequences of this particular choice ; experience proved that even there, not all think about the consequences

I just think that is very early to ask if you want to turn it off or on before knowing anything, maybe play a little introduction a couple in game days to know the characters and then ask like from this point "will you like turn NTR off" but I really believe will be better make it optional in game maybe with a warning when a choice will lead to that path.

I am not pro or against NTR sometimes i don't mind if it happens but sometimes don't want it, depends of the game and the characters involved.

 

[Kyrieru]

then I will have to doubt your reading skills, because my god,

Jesus Christ why do I bother.

 

[anne O'nymous]

I am not pro or against NTR sometimes i don't mind if it happens but sometimes don't want it, depends of the game and the characters involved.

Then, like I said, the option isn't intended for you.
Generally, turning NTR Off do not remove content, but options ; options that you would not choice if you don't want "this character" to be involved in it.

 

[woody554]

I'm on the non-ntr camp, but I frankly don't understand why you guys even give a shit. if I was making an ntr game I would never bother with an ntr toggle, nor would I give one second of thought to anyone who can't read the 'ntr' from the tags. and I'd only make it unavoidable for plot reasons, never because someone else wanted it.

I would though communicate from day 1 that there's gonna be ntr. you can't ask money from people and then just shit on them after a year or two. well I guess you can, but it's all on you then.

 

[j4yj4m]

As mentioned by others, I think it's not really worth bothering unless a dev really wants to. Usually devs have a vision for the game and if that includes a lot of NTR, so be it. I probably wouldn't play it, but I can understand it. Just don't make them produce content they don't want to create. It's bad for everybody involved and nobody will be happy, since the alternative NTR free game will usually just be some content that was cobbled together on the get go. Devs waste their time producing the content, trying to make it fit and people waste their time playing it.

There's of course a grey zone where you've got side branches or very few choices, but in these cases it's simply fine to make it obvious enough for the player and optional.

 

[Adabelitoo]

Yes it is.

Unless you're trying to say that an entire sexual orientation is just a fetish, in which case you'd be including straight games, then no, it isn't.

 

[Captain Kitty]

Porn is not an orientation.

Also, are you the guy who said NTR "Isn't even a fetish?"

He hates NTR.

 

[Adabelitoo]

Porn is not an orientation.

Also, are you the guy who said NTR "Isn't even a fetish?"

Yeah, porn isn't an orientation. Spaghetti isn't an orientation either. I don't get your point. Being gay isn't a fetish, is a sexual orientation, so the "Gay" tag isn't about a fetish. And no, I never said NTR wasn't a fetish. I said that not because something is or isn't a fetish means that it will/won't appeal to the majority of people or will be considered as "weird" or "weird shit".

He hates NTR.

Me? No. Where you talking to me before? I thought you were replaying to the other guy following my comment (by the way, 6 goes after 5, not 7). I like NTR. I rarely play a NTR games because the way western people does NTR tends to be not so interesting to me and I prefer more lovey-dovey things anyway but I read/see more NTR doujins/hentais than the average guy.

And by the way, I already have my own game and there is no NTR on it.

 

[Captain Kitty]

I like NTR. I rarely play a NTR games because the way western people does NTR tends to be not so interesting to me and I prefer more lovey-dovey things anyway but I read/see more NTR doujins/hentais than the average guy.
And by the way, I already have my own game and there is no NTR on it.

 

[anne O'nymous]

Yeah, porn isn't an orientation.

You're missing a point here.
You're on a the second page of a NTR related thread, therefore you're now on trolls territory. The only peoples that now worth being read are the well known ones, and eventually OP if he isn't a troll himself (and in this particular case, hmm well in fact I don't know...).

Don't expect the others to use their brain. As long as they imagine that you dislike NTR, they'll praise their ego by writing the most stupid things, believing that you'll be storming behind your computer when you'll discover it. Then, tonight they'll go to sleep convinced that they are smart and funny.
But, as always, it tell more about their own immaturity and the kind of stupidity that would make then enrage, than anything else.

 

[DownTheDrain]

Why wouldn't you give that option if you're trying to satisfy as many players as possible?

One of the last games I tried (that I ended up not liking so I won't name it here) gave that choice at the beginning with a little disclaimer that even with NTR enabled the player would still have to make certain choices for anything like that to happen.
That seemed like the best option to me, a hard counter for people that don't want to deal with it no matter what and player-driven choice for everyone else.

There's also the possibility that the dev wanted to use NTR as part of a backstory or in some other way that doesn't allow players to influence the outcome, so it makes sense to be able to immediately turn that off.

 

[DawnCry]

Why wouldn't you give that option if you're trying to satisfy as many players as possible?

One of the last games I tried (that I ended up not liking so I won't name it here) gave that choice at the beginning with a little disclaimer that even with NTR enabled the player would still have to make certain choices for anything like that to happen.
That seemed like the best option to me, a hard counter for people that don't want to deal with it no matter what and player-driven choice for everyone else.

There's also the possibility that the dev wanted to use NTR as part of a backstory or in some other way that doesn't allow players to influence the outcome, so it makes sense to be able to immediately turn that off.

Overall it depends on many aspects:

-Is it an important part of the plot?: Many stories start having the MC losing what he has, not talking about only porn ones but normal stories, your village gets razed, people you love die and it serves as the motivation for the player to grow and take revenge. So a story motivated by an initial unavoidable NTR is more than acceptable from a story perspective.

-Is it a gameplay element?: One of the objectives of the game can be to actually evade NTR while gathering a harem, an example of this would be Oyako Rankan, in case you didn't play it because it's in japanese, in this game you have to protect 3 different girls from the advances of multiple men and if you do it well enough you can get a harem ending.

-Is it a reasonable consequence?: Overall something that needs to be taken into account is that choices have consequences, most games that add the NTR tag and are story based have to add extremely simplistic choices that leads to it, even when there are actions that would have called for it.

To be fair I get that some people have an extreme hate towards it, but stories would be more interesting if rather than having to worry about making stuff as optional as possible it had a natural flow based on circunstances and I say this related to all fetishes, if you find that you are about to get NTR'ed then you could just restart and try to do it better, what I would add at most is a warning for those that activate it so that they don't have to see anything about the scene and they can just retry.

Now, having said that there are a few games that focus only on sexual content and don't offer much more, in that case it's okay to do it (giving locks), but if you want to make an interesting game you have to create a flow and make things logical.