Why are so many games on here so rapey? [Poll]

[Silver]

I personally don't like mind control games, but have no big problem with soft blackmails, like you (girl) can get away from it but decided to continue due to your inner sluttyness.

 

[Ataios]

It's all fiction, so I consider rape a plot device in porn games, like murder is in crime stories. So it has to fit the story and atmosphere of a game. I don't mind if a newly divorced milf with an alcohol issue is slapped around and raped, maybe forced into prostitution by her abusive son or daughter whose appartment she is now forced to share. On the other hand if a woman who is described as powerful she should not play the role of a helpless victim. When a warrior queen is raped by a gang of thugs or goblins that ruins a game's atmosphere. As the most general rule, if she wields a weapon, casts magic or is a martial artist, she should be able to slay any attempted rapists. Blackmail, e.g. by taking hostages may still be possible but physical force should fail.

 

[macadam]

depend of the game and his story/style.

also, if one game inclued that and get popular, obviously tons of games will come out with it.

 

[Ataios]

Also some settings are better suited for this scenario than others. As the most general rule, I'd say, modern day and horror settings are best and fantasy settings are worst. Post-apocalyptic settings may work, UNLESS the woman to be raped is experienced in the use of power armor and rocket launchers.

In present day settings, as a general rule, I'd say, low class environments are more likely to have assaulters using physical force while the upper class is more likely to resort to blackmail or create their own drugs. A thug may beat his mother, sister and aunt into submitting to him as sex slaves, while a skilled hacker may find out where the lady CEO of a big company evaded taxes and cheated her customers. He may stay silent... at a price.

Horror settings are maybe the easiest, as they usually feature some helpless women chased by a variety of hostile creatures. Vampires are the most likely horror rapists, as they have mind control skills and still look human enough not the chase players away as well.

Science-Fiction has alien abductions and tentacles. Yawn. It could get worse, but it wont get exciting.

Fantasy is by far the worst choice for game featuring rape, as most female fantasy archetypes can defend themselves quite well and should not be victim to thugs and goblins.

 

[macadam]

Also some settings are better suited for this scenario than others. As the most general rule, I'd say, modern day and horror settings are best and fantasy settings are worst. Post-apocalyptic settings may work, UNLESS the woman to be raped is experienced in the use of power armor and rocket launchers.

In present day settings, as a general rule, I'd say, low class environments are more likely to have assaulters using physical force while the upper class is more likely to resort to blackmail or create their own drugs. A thug may beat his mother, sister and aunt into submitting to him as sex slaves, while a skilled hacker may find out where the lady CEO of a big company evaded taxes and cheated her customers. He may stay silent... at a price.

Horror settings are maybe the easiest, as they usually feature some helpless women chased by a variety of hostile creatures. Vampires are the most likely horror rapists, as they have mind control skills and still look human enough not the chase players away as well.

Science-Fiction has alien abductions and tentacles. Yawn. It could get worse, but it wont get exciting.

Fantasy is by far the worst choice for game featuring rape, as most female fantasy archetypes can defend themselves quite well and should not be victim to thugs and goblins.

i think fantasy isnt that bad...
i mean, fantasy doesnt necessary mean a knight, a mage or else.. the girl can always be a peasant or a slave or a beggar. but sure this kind of female doesnt spawn often.. if they simply spawn at all.
but i think a fantasy game can provide decent raping scene if the female is in the good condition.
obviously raping an warrior, knight, mage, sorceress or whatever classic female we see in theses games is very ridiculous and non sens.
guess its a big part into the imagination of devs too.

 

[Ataios]

For some porn game enviroments the reason why developers rely on rapey scenarios because, as cynical as it may sound, they are more plausible.

Take typical mom son games. The consensual or "romantic" paths often make less sense then those involving coercion. A wimpy boy who is sexually attractive to teenage girls and Catholic priests only can't hope he is capable of seducing his mother by enchanting her with his magic horse penis. Blackmailing may be plausible, if you combine a cruel protagonist and a mom with a dark secret like "I filmed what you did to with your boss last week. If you don't want dad and the internet to know as well, you better be a good fuckdoll".

 

[hameleona]

Because people play the shit out of them?
If such content was deemed inappropriate by the audience - it wouldn't be there. And such content is popular for a few reasons:
1. It's forbidden.
People don't go on a rampage in GTA, because they want to kill people, they go because they will never kill a bunch of people. People don't rape girls in games (male rape obviously again being shoved aside as a non-issue in this thread) because they wanna rape people, but because they never will. The consequences of such act and every single social conditioning in most of the world makes it unthinkable in such a scenario. It's the same reason why a lot of p'n'p RPGs are full of murderhobos - the bad way is way often the easy way and in games you can make the consequences go away. Hell it's why after a while everyone just kills all the annoying NPCs in Skyrim and finds a mod that allows him to kill children. Breaking taboos in games is very much the norm. It's no more unrealistic than being the hero - saving the world is about as realistic as destroying it and your average joe or jane will NEVER have the balls, mental fortitude or skills to influence ether.

2. Being good is a choice.
Without the option of being bad, there is no option to be good. Even if a player is such a saint that they would never pick up the bad option, they may want the evil option to exist. Because without it - they have no choice, their agency has been stripped away and the game offers no moral challenge.

3. Values dissonance.
A lot of times things that are considered inappropriate in the USA (probably the most prudish country in the western world) are accepted or even expected in other places. A lot of developers are not from the USA. I know it's hard to understand, but morality is subjective. It's why you rarely see violent rape as a rule in those games, but a lot of things that a westerner may find rape-y find their place there (most often voyeurism being pretty low on the "bad acts" list).

And yes, probably power-fantasy and rape-fetish aspects, yes. But I'm ready to bet you all, that the above reasons are way more important. Because games like Our Fate (for example) won't be as good if you can't be bad.

 

[khumak]

First, I'm mostly concerned with male protagonist rape scenarios. I think female protagonist rape is more often tied to theme, if that makes any sense. I'm not saying it's better, but it's a bit different.

Second, let's be clear what rape is (just in case). This includes any non-consensual sexual activity including, but not limited to:
"Classic": She says 'no' and you say 'yes.' Can include the victim being restrained against her will.
Unconscious: She can't say no, but she also can't say yes. This includes night time visits and drugging the victim.
Mind Control: She said yes, but only because some outside force is influencing her. Mind control, aphrodisiacs, pheromones, etc. This is often typified by the female being either unaware of what happened or even angry or regretful about what happened.
Coercion: Have sex or else. She said yes, because she was threatened.
Probably a few other scenarios, but this covers a lot of them.

Shortcut to Sex: Basically the dev wants to deliver a sex scene and they want to do it as quickly as possible. So rather than spending time explaining why the woman is consenting to sex, they just use a rapey scenario. You might consider this lazy and it might just be a dev "giving players what they want."

Rape Fantasy: The idea here is that the player is supposed to enjoy the fantasy of taking advantage of a woman. The rape is on purpose because it's "hotter" than consensual sex. This one is more believable if that's the theme of the game like being a slave trainer or some shit.

Doesn't know how to interact with human females: Pretty self explanatory. I feel like it's possible some devs honestly don't know how to write normal interactions with women. Could chalk this up to lack of experience or overexposure to pornography. They don't see why slipping drugs to the girl you like to have sex with her is a bad thing. I like it when an MC gets mad at a guy who is trying to fuck one of their potential conquests. "What an asshole, all he wants to do is fuck her." Right....

(I didn't start this thread to name and shame specific games, just to discuss the topic in general.)

[Late Edit: I'm referring to games where the non-consensual sex doesn't really fit the theme of the game.]

I think you're defining rape broadly enough that just about any form of aggressive sex is going to apply. Lots of people like (I'm sure there is tons of stuff not on my list that are also applicable):

- domination: this would apply to people who fantasize about being the one doing the raping
- submission: yes there are people who fantasize about being dominated and rape is just 1 way that could play out
- mind control: superpowers plus sex? Who hasn't had fantasies of hyptotizing the head cheerleader or whatever as a kid?
- incapacitation: again, this allows sex with someone who would otherwise be out of your league, not my thing but yeah you get turned down, just get her drunk and/or slip her some pills and you're in
- blackmail: who hasn't secretly thought about how nice it would be to blackmail that person who was mean to you into sex?
- revenge: similar to blackmail, who hasn't imagined ambushing their former bully (or his girlfriend) or whatever and fucking them as punishment?
- bondage: usually when I think about this everyone involved is willing, but that doesn't have to be the case
- sadism: yes there are people who like this stuff but I think most aren't really into the hardcore variants (being burned, cut, etc)
- masichism: I don't really understand this one but yes this is a thing too...
- rough sex: Usually when I think of this I think of people who are kind of into a very light form of S&M or bondage. Someone pretends to resist, the other one pretends to restrain them
- humiliation: Again, I don't understand this one either but some people want to be humiliated
- heated sex scenes where nobody asks or gives consent for anything, maybe nobody even speaks, more like just grunts and moans or whatever (this could also fall into the "no means yes" scenario where both are into it and what they're actually saying doesn't matter

Rape fantasies can take bits and pieces of any of those (or all of them) and weave them all together. Someone who is into one or more of those things will probably find something appealing about a rape scene even if it's not specifically focusing on whatever their real preferred kink is. In fact if you use the broadest definitions of consent like some have advocated for use as a standard in sex assault cases (where lack of repeated verbal consent = rape), then the only scenes I like would be considered rape.

 

[GracelessLamb]

I only tolerate rape in h games if a)it’s avoidable or b) the heroine grows stronger as a person and overcomes the rape later. Or c) it’s dub con and she’s kind of into it.

I totally voted for number three btw

 

[thevampirate]

I only tolerate rape in h games if a)it’s avoidable or b) the heroine grows stronger as a person and overcomes the rape later. Or c) it’s dub con and she’s kind of into it.

I totally voted for number three btw

What do you define as rape? I feel like 50% of 'dumb bitch in rape town' games end up being fairly consensual in my opinion because you are intentionally causing it to happen ie giving consent and Dumb bitch in rapetown usually involves said dumb bitch likeing it and coming back for more. Hard explicit non-avoidable rape is stuff i avoid as well. But I see that in VNs mostly.

 

[215303j]

Rape fantasies can take bits and pieces of any of those (or all of them) and weave them all together. Someone who is into one or more of those things will probably find something appealing about a rape scene even if it's not specifically focusing on whatever their real preferred kink is. In fact if you use the broadest definitions of consent like some have advocated for use as a standard in sex assault cases (where lack of repeated verbal consent = rape), then the only scenes I like would be considered rape.

Excellent post.

I do think we need to separate the varios legal definitions from the fetishes.

The law is the law but it's not the same everywhere. Also the law is not similarly applied all the time everywhere. And finally the law is only enforced when there has been a problem.

But with regards to fetish, we also have to say it's different for everybody.

I can enjoy rape fantasies (in the broad definition) sometimes, but I am also tired of yet another game featuring sleep raping your younger roommate. Especially in a romance-type story.

 

[thevampirate]

I can enjoy rape fantasies (in the broad definition) sometimes, but I am also tired of yet another game featuring sleep raping your younger roommate. Especially in a romance-type story.

ya I forgot about sleep rape in 'roommate'/'landlady' games, i think its kind of stupid that somehow they dont wake up and it increases their sex desire/love for you. i think its just lazy writing and easy CGS that pretty much get them into every game.

 

[hameleona]

I can enjoy rape fantasies (in the broad definition) sometimes, but I am also tired of yet another game featuring sleep raping your younger roommate. Especially in a romance-type story.

While I agree and am also turned off by the same thing, I'd say it's way more a problem of the dev not knowing how to keep the theme and feel of the game consistent than anything else.

 

[pasunna]

Well... I don't know other think
but as a player
I like rape plot so much
I like it because I'm not interesting in romantic in porn
If I want a romantic generic sex I watch play read normal genre game movie manga
I don't want more stubborn self absorb girl aka real life girl more in porn
I just want to see how hot her body and her shame her emotion when she gets fuck
by many exciting unpredictable or unthinkable event


and so many men like me are out there
so these porns game create for me...as a customer...

 

[AmazonessKing]

Even though I think it's a shortcut to sex, I also think most people don't understand how females work and in the end of the day most of these games are catered to males.
Developing a good relationship that eventually leads to sex takes some time, and even then, some people may feel it's very boring to have that kind of vanilla sex. I strongly disagree with that, but sadly I'm more of a minority in that aspect.

 

[Deleted member 135775]

Shortcut to sex. I dont want to go through a disney-esque romance fairytale with every woman that i want to bang.

 

[GracelessLamb]

Shortcut to sex. I dont want to go through a disney-esque romance fairytale with every woman that i want to bang.

y i k e s

You know women have a sex drive too right? If you feel that you have to go through romancing every lady you want to bang you clearly haven’t talked to many ladies. No offense.

Even though I think it's a shortcut to sex, I also think most people don't understand how females work and in the end of the day most of these games are catered to males.
Developing a good relationship that eventually leads to sex takes some time, and even then, some people may feel it's very boring to have that kind of vanilla sex. I strongly disagree with that, but sadly I'm more of a minority in that aspect.

I agree with you about how most people not understanding how females work. Some women don’t want a relationship and just want sex because a relationship seems like too much work and commitment but there’s a social stigma because that labels them as a slut or something. It’s a double standard.

 

[Deleted member 135775]

y i k e s

You know women have a sex drive too right? If you feel that you have to go through romancing every lady you want to bang you clearly haven’t talked to many ladies. No offense.

You know im talking about porngames dont you? a woman immediately accepting a sex offer defeats the purpose of the game immediately -unless the game is about banging hookers-.

 

[AmazonessKing]

Some women don’t want a relationship and just want sex because a relationship seems like too much work and commitment but there’s a social stigma because that labels them as a slut or something. It’s a double standard.

That would be a game I wouldn't want to play. As I said, it would be a game not catered to me.

 

[GracelessLamb]

That would be a game I wouldn't want to play. As I said, it would be a game not catered to me.

welcome to my world. None of these games are catered to me. I play them anyway because the ones actually catered to me suck.