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Hi, first time i ever comment to a post, but i see so much potential in the idea of your game so here i am. I saw a lot of error in the text and a couple of dialog repetition here and there. I don't know if it may help, maybe you alredy know of all of them. But whould it be a complete report helpfull?
FIRST OF ALL sorry for taking this long to answer, usually F95 sends email whenever anyone answers this thread, i am not sure if these current changes changed that, because I havent

Also yes, any report with screenshots or else would be helpful!

Hi @MaraTDuoDev ... very nice game but i have some questions for you :

- In the futur will we have some threesome with mom and sis ?
- Can we give some gift via Mall ( lingerie, stockings, dress, cosplay, .... ) or via Black Market to ours girls and of course tell her to wear this dress for example ?
- Maybe some anal scene xD ?
- If we can have some money via coffee shop, could we create a clandestine brothel for example ( with some suspicion every day for example ) and place some girls who we don't give a damn ( just simple whores ) because we don't want to share our girls ...

the game is very intriguing and i like it very much right now ^^ so keep your good work :D
Thanks! Glad you are liking it!
Answers in order:

-Yes
-Unlikely, transformations means I need to do every sprite and asset X amount of times (X being the number of transformations, which will be 5), hence, small changes in outfit is not a viable option unless I had like a real team helping (as in, enough to hire someone dedicated to it) I might add special scenes for cosplay, etc. tho
-There are some anal sex scenes already :p but yeah, not as many. Yes, I will be adding more
-The brothel is hinted in 0.8 and I am working on it for 0.9, but it wont be in the coffee shop. And yes, you can select which girls work in there (there will be a generic staff available too, in case you dont want to put any of the main characters to work here)

What is in 0.8?
I'll post the changelog in a separate post in a moment.

I can't wait till the young one is added so then I'll use it on all of the girls to give them smaller boobs especially that coffee shop manager she needs them stuck with a needle to let all that air out. Maybe even having a young and strong combo. BBW and bimbo will stay unresearched.

I acquired the coffee shop and acquired a espresso machine but I'll never touch that bimbo crap. I like the girls to look hot not ugly ass monstrosities that usually appear when someone gets dumboed down I mean bimboed up I'll also leave the sex service alone.

Jasey looks cute.

@Malaficus Incest patch worked fine for me.
haha cant wait either, but there will not be combos, since that would make the number of transformations from 5 to 25 (5*5), which is a lot, a lot of exta work.

About the bimbo staff and sex service, they provide nice money bonus, but overall I dont think the game is unplayable without them

I like Jasey a lot haha, she was going to be just a generic character, but decided to instead give her a more relevant role to the story. I like perverse, non-mind controlled characters tbh
 
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Do we still fall for the swiching coffee?
I get that she is suppose to be very good at her job but falling for that one just feels like insulting the mc intelligence.
I mean for someone who know's she is good at being a inqisitor you would expect the mc to be smart enough not to order the same drink and fall for the swiching drink trick.
I am eagerly waiting for the finished game.
Outside of before mention insult to intelligence this game is currently rated as my 4 favorite game.
Pre-emtpive answer:
1: superpowered(because of the sheer amount of options while still having handcrafted npc)
2: Hentai high school+ (Because of sheer amount of options but loses points because i cant place a face with the name as the npc get random sex picture's)
3: Corruption (because of sheer size of harem we can build and i love how they become devoted to me(hate the slavery part) loses to the rest because of limeted gameplay)
4: Take over (Paranoid mc reminds me of myself, believable story(i total see goverments around the world would love having mind control option (which is why i believe they dont have it(yet) we disagree too much with them) good amount of options but limeted in size and versaility)
The MC isnt particularly smart about spionage things: He is a scientist, not a secret agent. Plus, as you may expect, there arent many hollywood films about it in the country they live, if movies that arent propaganda at all to begin with, so I dont think it would be surprisingly strange to end up tricked. I dont like mary sues, so if he can just deal with any threat without difficulties, where is the fun and the challenge? I think is fun if he has some flaws and failures, specially because up to that moment he is incredibly confident, since he had already corrupted 3 characters without difficulty, so this is just hubris.

Lets be honest, many people irl fall for drugs in their drinks, even if they know the danger is present.

The finished game may take a while, I would say even a year or more; its not that there isnt good progress, but this game its kinda massive since, well, the final goal is to take over a whole city :p so there is a lot of challenges, and shit ahead.

I'm happy to see im in the top 4 of your games! Corruption has been a great inspiration, and I like superpowered a lot but I find it way too grindy for my own taste. HHS+ I havent played in years, because tbh altho I love the mechanics, etc. I find its development too slow, and it kinda lacks content tbh

I would ask, what is the limited size and versatility in your opinion? to expand uppon it (I have tried to make the game diverse with different bodies and using transformations, but it may not be enough)

soooo, i hate being THAT ONE GUY, but i lost my whole hard disc, does someone have a decent save file, like, from the previous patch?
ty anyway
as Teedy says, you can just cheat money and serums to go through it fast, and dont touch corruption of anyone except Celia and Katy, those are the only two that can be safely changed with the commands, so it may save you some time in the early game.
 

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-The brothel is hinted in 0.8 and I am working on it for 0.9, but it wont be in the coffee shop. And yes, you can select which girls work in there (there will be a generic staff available too, in case you dont want to put any of the main characters to work here)
It would be really cool to be able to let Emma be the madam in the brothel and let her whore Vera out :D
 

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It would be really cool to be able to let Emma be the madam in the brothel and let her whore Vera out :D
there will be scenes like that, and very interesting ones, but there will be a new character for the brothel, since Emma doesnt really knows how to handle a business :p actually, none of the current characters do
 
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The MC isnt particularly smart about spionage things: He is a scientist, not a secret agent. Plus, as you may expect, there arent many hollywood films about it in the country they live, if movies that arent propaganda at all to begin with, so I dont think it would be surprisingly strange to end up tricked. I dont like mary sues, so if he can just deal with any threat without difficulties, where is the fun and the challenge? I think is fun if he has some flaws and failures, specially because up to that moment he is incredibly confident, since he had already corrupted 3 characters without difficulty, so this is just hubris.
I agree that he shoud have been outsmarted(i have nothing but respect for inqisitor vira was it? Not good with names, sorry) it was just they way he was outsmarted that seemed rather forced.
Really a small change like her forcing him to drink her coffee would have been enough.
I will probley mentaly recon that scene.
From playing the charater he seemed smart enough to reconize that having one family member be more corrupted then other family member would lead to discover.
He seem to believe the goverment has spies everywhere.
She flat out state that she doesnt believe he is a spy but that she suspects he wants to revenge.
He shoud atleast have considered that this inqisitor would suspect him of stealing research.
I mean it is mind control research.
So here we have a guy who got screwed over by some politican and probley want revenge.
He works a job he hate's where he has access to mind control potions.
Stuff get missing from the lab.
I best not drink anything near this guy.
Just in case he is stealing the research.
I get that he is a scientist but he entire charater shown so far is proper paranoid.
Instead of having him drink and suddenly have the mind control potion into his drink vira could have simple told him to drink of coffee or else.
It feels forced to me.

Lets be honest, many people irl fall for drugs in their drinks, even if they know the danger is present.
Many people in real life are stupid the mc doesnt seem to be stupid too me.
First time i did that scene i though:
This isnt going to work is it?
That would be stupid.

The finished game may take a while, I would say even a year or more; its not that there isnt good progress, but this game its kinda massive since, well, the final goal is to take over a whole city :p so there is a lot of challenges, and shit ahead.
I am looking forward too it.

I'm happy to see im in the top 4 of your games! Corruption has been a great inspiration, and I like superpowered a lot but I find it way too grindy for my own taste. HHS+ I havent played in years, because tbh altho I love the mechanics, etc. I find its development too slow, and it kinda lacks content tbh
Agreed.

I would ask, what is the limited size and versatility in your opinion? to expand uppon it (I have tried to make the game diverse with different bodies and using transformations, but it may not be enough)
I am the kind of guy who likes options.
Superpowered has rape, seduction, mind control, emotinal control and transformation.
Now my personal fetish is mind control.
Outside of testing purposes i never use the rape in superpowered.
But i like it being an option.
This is the key part.
Same with hentai high school+
I dont care much for turning the entire town into mindless sluts(i dont like sharing my property.... Yes i am that kind of pervert)
But i like i get to desided how to do it.
Drug's, mind control, blackmail, using nothing but the school(a personal challange of mine is to corrupt the school indirectly aka no blackmail, drugs, hypnosis, etc just education)
I also like i get to control what kind of sex i have.
I find superpowered billy's obsession with anal anoying as i am more of a pussy man myself.
Likewise licking disgust me.
In hentai high school+ i get to desided what kind of sex i have.
Corruption is only so high because of the sheer amount of persons i can corrupt.
The biggest flaw in hentai high school+ for me is that most npc are just randomized people.
I dont take any joy in corrupting random people without any personality.
Twisting and turning a persons point of view is where the fun lies for me.
Mind games.

To me the important part in any game(not just porn games) is the ability to make choices.
Nothing pisses me off more then saying you cant rather then you shoudnt.
For example: I hate that i cant use slavery in stellaris if i would play elegarions.
I shoud have massive revolts on all my planets if i legalize it.
Likewise being a good guy means nothing if you cant be evil.

In an other decent game called strive for power.
There is a quest about a begger girl and her sister.
There are 2 ways to resolve the quest.
1: Brand her then trick her sister into being branded aswhile(the magnificant bastered route as i call it)
2: The nice guy(simple help them out and earn the loyality)
I spend a great deal of time considering how i want to do this quest.
One the one hand manipulation is my fetish on the other i dont like being uneccery cruel.
Sure i want to own and control people but i dont really want to hurt them.

To me the perfect game would give you alot of options to pick from.
Letting you deside who to corrupt and how.
Aswhile as having a risk system.
The risk of getting caught makes the victory all the sweeter.
The biggest downside of games like freecity or strive to power is the slavery is legal.
It just removes the thrill of the hunt if there isnt risk involved.
 
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About the first part:

Vera doesnt knows they are researching mind control, only that something shady is going on.
Vera doesnt knows that the MC is stealing research, she is in the lab in the first place because she is trying to get dirt on commisar Hilde, or whomever is behind her: Dimitria and the MC are nothing to her but pawns, but Vera suspects she can get the MC (or even Dimitria) to talk shit, since she knows how shitty their job is, and many people talk to the PPF out of fear.
And the research is even beyond secret: Its illegal, its not in any book or document, what Vera wants to find to begin with is what they are doing, since she has no clue, so she cant protect herself from that if she doesnt even knows.

Once she knows, she avoids drinking anything that comes from the MC.

I mean, just to make it clear: When the MC drinks the contaminated coffee, thats why she asks him what they were doing, to find out.

The MC is paranoid, sure, but he also thinks that everyone underestimates him, which is kinda true to begin with, so he usually uses that to get the advantage. Didnt worked with Vera that time around, clearly, and from that point he gets even more cautious.
 
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Also I dont think the MC is intelligent in every way: I doubt he can take care directly of a business (which is why there are managers and others who take care of these facilities), nor I think he is that good socially speaking (most of his relationships are by him using a mind control serum so :p ), although I dont think he is the worst, he isnt a charmer.

Heck, if he was socially smart, he wouldnt have political troubles to begin with and had a shitty job :p so clearly, he isnt a prodigy while dealing with people

I think his strong suit is being a scientist, and may be smart from a logical point of view, but not that useful in many rl situations where you need to be more clever than smart. From that point, thats why Vera pretty much takes care of like 90% of the operations, plans, and everything else.
 
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About the first part:

Vera doesnt knows they are researching mind control, only that something shady is going on.
Vera doesnt knows that the MC is stealing research, she is in the lab in the first place because she is trying to get dirt on commisar Hilde, or whomever is behind her: Dimitria and the MC are nothing to her but pawns, but Vera suspects she can get the MC (or even Dimitria) to talk shit, since she knows how shitty their job is, and many people talk to the PPF out of fear.
And the research is even beyond secret: Its illegal, its not in any book or document, what Vera wants to find to begin with is what they are doing, since she has no clue, so she cant protect herself from that if she doesnt even knows.

Once she knows, she avoids drinking anything that comes from the MC.

I mean, just to make it clear: When the MC drinks the contaminated coffee, thats why she asks him what they were doing, to find out.

The MC is paranoid, sure, but he also thinks that everyone underestimates him, which is kinda true to begin with, so he usually uses that to get the advantage. Didnt worked with Vera that time around, clearly, and from that point he gets even more cautious.
I get your point of view.
I just dont agree with it.
Even if vera doesnt see him as anything else then a pawn and is truly ignorant of what is going on(woudnt suprise me as spies work on a need to know basis)
The mc doesnt know that.
And given how obsessive he is with his goverment has spies everywhere mentality he shoud suspect her to suspect him.
After all supplies go missing the around the same time he start working doubleshift and she know's he is unhappy.
It woudnt be that much of a strench to suspect him of doing of stealing from the lab.
Meaby she suspect him of selling out stuff to the black market for extra cash(For that mather: how does the mc even know where the black market is? It isnt like you can just google black market locations in my town).
Or meaby he is a secret drug addict(underestimating him again).
From the mc point of view the fact she showed up so closely after he started stealing from the lab shoud raise alarm bells.
He is a scientist after all.
Covering his track's isnt something he is very good at.

Also vera is someone who's job it is to find spies.
Poison is one tool often employed by spies.
She swich's the coffee around so it is clear she suspected it was posioned.

That is what i take issu's with.
It rely to much on convience.
What if she drank coffee lattee and the mc drank black?
What if the mc doesnt like/drink coffee.
It seem to rely entirely on the mc drinking the exact same kind of coffee.
The same mc he is fully aware of the horrible stuff she can do to him.
If anything he shoud think: Too dangerous to poison her coffee.
She will suspect.
I need to find an other means.

I prefer to mentaly recon the scene into her seeing him put something in her coffee and then forcing him to drink it.
Nothing else would need changing.
It woudnt effect the overall story and it remove's the biggest issu i have with the game.
The fact that both conviently drink black coffee and that he doesnt pay attation to her swiching the apparently identical mugs around.
Too much need to go just right for it to be believeable for me.

It is your game and it wont stop me from enjoying it.
I just dont like that scene.
It require's too much to go just right to work for me.


Also I dont think the MC is intelligent in every way: I doubt he can take care directly of a business (which is why there are managers and others who take care of these facilities), nor I think he is that good socially speaking (most of his relationships are by him using a mind control serum so :p ), although I dont think he is the worst, he isnt a charmer.

Heck, if he was socially smart, he wouldnt have political troubles to begin with and had a shitty job :p so clearly, he isnt a prodigy while dealing with people

I think his strong suit is being a scientist, and may be smart from a logical point of view, but not that useful in many rl situations where you need to be more clever than smart. From that point, thats why Vera pretty much takes care of like 90% of the operations, plans, and everything else.
Ow i agree.
I fully agree that vera is far more capeable them him on area's of manipulation.
But logicaly speaking he shoud suspect her to suspect him and think she already knows everything.
Even when she doesnt.
Nothing about the charater suggest he woud suspect her to underestimate him.
If anything i feel like the charater believes the goverment is nearly all seeing.
And the only reason they havent caught him is because they underestimate him(i have spend 20 years of my life studying how humans work(short version: I got mccd and spend most of my life trying to understand how humans work just to fit in...and now i know how they work and i feel like a moron for every wanted be to like those hypocrits). You would be suprised how many ways people can justify stuff too themself)

I am fully aware of him believe they underestimate him is a self defendse mechanism.
But in order for said self defendse mechanism to work he needs to believe his enemies are way smarter and stronger then they accauly are.
That is why paranoid people seem so insane.
They overestimate there enemies.
 
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I am just going to keep it short: The main flaw with your theories is that you assume too many things: Vera DOESNT KNOWS anything about the laboratory, every report from it its fake because what they are doing isnt aproved by the government, so Vera DOESNT KNOWS that the MC is taking supplies, nor actually anything about it
 

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I am just going to keep it short: The main flaw with your theories is that you assume too many things: Vera DOESNT KNOWS anything about the laboratory, every report from it its fake because what they are doing isnt aproved by the government, so Vera DOESNT KNOWS that the MC is taking supplies, nor actually anything about it
Ok.
Does the mc know that?
From my playthrough the only thing i get from vera is that she is dangerous and very good at her job.
Just when through the interview again(i notice that thankyou didnt have a space btw).
Everything seem to indicate the mc suspecting her to suspect him.
What vera knows doesnt mather as much as what the mc think she knows.
 
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Ok.
Does the mc know that?
From my playthrough the only thing i get from vera is that she is dangerous and very good at her job.
Just when through the interview again(i notice that thankyou didnt have a space btw).
Everything seem to indicate the mc suspecting her to suspect him.
What vera knows doesnt mather as much as what the mc think she knows.
I would say that If anything it is clear by the first scene that Vera is behind someone else, in this case Hilde, and is just trying to dig dirt to take her down.

The MC wants to control Vera because, even though Hilde is the target, not him, he may end up fucked up in the operation, which is what makes Vera a threat, but not Hilde i.e.

Really Vera is just trying to find anyone to snitch about what is Hilde doing, which is why she invites you to join her to begin with.

Also what Vera knows is relevant because her ignorance is why she isnt afraid to drink around the MC, if she knew the MC or the gov. have mind control drugs, she would avoid drinking and eating with an unknown person to begin with.

Also, she is kinda sadistic, she would rather see you fall on your own that push you by ordering you to do something, if the MC had refused, she might had tho

Also the MC can have her guard down because, as far as he knows, it didnt had much of an influence in men, or maybe not all, which is true too that it barely affects them for few minutes

But yes, in short the MC believes Vera doesnt knows. For that matter, not even dimitria knows there is a mind control serum, there is no reason for him to suspect she does (and he is right)

edit: a last note, also it is obvious that if Vera had even a suspicion that they had something as dangerous as a mind control drug, she would have stormed the place and arrested or most likely executed everyone, seize the information, and then use it for her own.

You need to remember that here the secret police has almost unlimited power to do things like this without due process, and that they can use even flimsly evidence to avoid any troubles.

So yeah, the MC really must know that, because it is a very common occurence, and by that logic he should kinda know that Vera nor anyone at the PPF suspect what they are doing in the lab
 
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I would say that If anything it is clear by the first scene that Vera is behind someone else, in this case Hilde, and is just trying to dig dirt to take her down.

The MC wants to control Vera because, even though Hilde is the target, not him, he may end up fucked up in the operation, which is what makes Vera a threat, but not Hilde i.e.

Really Vera is just trying to find anyone to snitch about what is Hilde doing, which is why she invites you to join her to begin with.

Also what Vera knows is relevant because her ignorance is why she isnt afraid to drink around the MC, if she knew the MC or the gov. have mind control drugs, she would avoid drinking and eating with an unknown person to begin with.

Also, she is kinda sadistic, she would rather see you fall on your own that push you by ordering you to do something, if the MC had refused, she might had tho

Also the MC can have her guard down because, as far as he knows, it didnt had much of an influence in men, or maybe not all, which is true too that it barely affects them for few minutes

But yes, in short the MC believes Vera doesnt knows. For that matter, not even dimitria knows there is a mind control serum, there is no reason for him to suspect she does (and he is right)

edit: a last note, also it is obvious that if Vera had even a suspicion that they had something as dangerous as a mind control drug, she would have stormed the place and arrested or most likely executed everyone, seize the information, and then use it for her own.

You need to remember that here the secret police has almost unlimited power to do things like this without due process, and that they can use even flimsly evidence to avoid any troubles.

So yeah, the MC really must know that, because it is a very common occurence, and by that logic he should kinda know that Vera nor anyone at the PPF suspect what they are doing in the lab
I interpted that conversation differently.
From what i learned up to that point is:
1: The goverment is opressing people and is spying on everyone.
2: The goverment(or atleast a part of it) outright funds a mind control research.
3: A agent of the state is looking into missing supplies and failed deadlines.

Everything tells me that the state is sending one of its agents to make sure this highly classified research hasnt been compremised.

I thank you for explaining it too me tho.
I understand now that the mc is supposed to be very bad at this cloak and dagger stuff.
It makes alot more scene if i keep that in mind.

EDIT:
I am upgrading this game to rank 3 in my list of favorite porn games.
Congratulations.
 
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No no no you got it wrong, thats totally wrong XD

The government IS NOT funding the mind control research, someone in the government or someone really powerful is, but is totally off the books, if it wasnt, the PPF wouldn't be bothering them at all, or more likely it would be the other way around: The PPF would be protecting them or in charge, which they are not.

That's always been one of the main things of the story, and I think its mentioned in other ocassions when the MC talks with Vera, not sure if in hangouts or in the general story, but I'm sure thats mentioned.

And no Vera is not looking around for that, she is trying to hunt Hilde because she knows she is up to no good, and want to uncover the conspiracy behind her, the MC and Dimitria are unaware of what's going on: They think they are just working for the government, and legally, they probably are, but it is a cover and they are just unwitting pawns, and since the project is "top secret", in theory they cant talk about it.

Legally speaking, they are probably "working" on a boring, unintersting project that no one cares about

But if it was the government behind it, creating a mind control serum, dont you think they would have top notch labs and a group of many scientists and incredibly tight security? Instead they have 3 guys (and one of them "leaves" as far as the characters are concerned), a kinda outdated laboratory, and the security is probably someones in Hilde's team checking the reports and doing some periodic patrolls, but not an specialized agent.

In short, I think its fairly obvious from the beginning that everything is a little sketchy XD

In the game, many people conspire and do shit to try to grab power, the PPF keeps them in check and hunts for shit like that. If the PPF is around, is more likely that it is because they suspect you are doing something illegal
 
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No no no you got it wrong, thats totally wrong XD
Apperently.
The government IS NOT funding the mind control research, someone in the government or someone really powerful is, but is totally off the books, if it wasnt, the PPF wouldn't be bothering them at all, or more likely it would be the other way around: The PPF would be protecting them or in charge, which they are not.
And we as the mc dont know that.
Nothing shown in the game until vira shows up give the impression this is anything other the a state run secret test lab.

That's always been one of the main things of the story, and I think its mentioned in other ocassions when the MC talks with Vera, not sure if in hangouts or in the general story, but I'm sure thats mentioned.
Yes she mention it when you try to poison her drink
But at the moment of the interview we dont know better then it is a goverment run lab.

And no Vera is not looking around for that, she is trying to hunt Hilde because she knows she is up to no good, and want to uncover the conspiracy behind her, the MC and Dimitria are unaware of what's going on: They think they are just working for the government, and legally, they probably are, but it is a cover and they are just unwitting pawns, and since the project is "top secret", in theory they cant talk about it.
When she speaking to hill she mention missing supplies and report problems.
Based on the limeted knowledge we had at the time my conclusion was:
OK comisar hill(who i havent heard of until now) is probley dimitria boss.
I have been using lab supplies to research and make mind control potion.
That goverment agant probely is checking out why the numbers dont add up.

Legally speaking, they are probably "working" on a boring, unintersting project that no one cares about
And that is the very definition of a cover up.

But if it was the government behind it, creating a mind control serum, dont you think they would have top notch labs and a group of many scientists and incredibly tight security? Instead they have 3 guys (and one of them "leaves" as far as the characters are concerned), a kinda outdated laboratory, and the security is probably someones in Hilde's team checking the reports and doing some periodic patrolls, but not an specialized agent.
No.
Mind control is something you want to have as little people know about as possible.
More people means more leaks.
Need to know basis.
Too many people brings too many risks.
It is all very secretive.
Mind control is one of those things you dont want anyone to know you are researching.
It tents to cause revolts, theft and wannbie mab scientist(see: MC) who want to use it for themself.

Speaking of which i do hope we get the chance to become mad with power.
Turning our "freedom fighter" mc into the next dictator.
I mean if anything can corrupt a person it is power and mind control is absolute power.
And you know the saying:
Power corrupts, absolute power is kinda neat.

In short, I think its fairly obvious from the beginning that everything is a little sketchy XD
Ow it is sketchy but nothing would give me a reason to believe it isnt part of the goverment.
Keep in mind that up until this point all we know is that the goverment oppresses people, spies on everyone and is running propagande to turn the minds of our youth into more obediant worker drones.

Goverments might be incomptent when it comes to fixing problems for there people.
But there masters at creating problems for there people.
Atleast in my personal experiance.

In the game, many people conspire and do shit to try to grab power, the PPF keeps them in check and hunts for shit like that. If the PPF is around, is more likely that it is because they suspect you are doing something illegal
And they abuse power like everyone else in the goverment.
There was given no reason to believe this was anything else then an agent send to find out if something was wrong.
If you are refering to vira mention something wrotten is going on and she will find out what.
She is a secret agent.
That is her job.
I dont trust a single word out of a secret service agent mouth.
They only thing she said that i believe is that she is good at her job.
Keep in mind we are researching(something the mc isnt suppose to know) MIND CONTROL.
That kinda of stuff makes nuclear weaponry look outright benevolent.
It isnt the kind of stuff you want anyone to know you are researching it.
The guy missing is probley pushing up daisy's somewhere.

I understand that i missinterupted the events.
But i did on interupting on the info i was given at the time.
And everything told me that the goverment wanted to keep this off the radar.
Hence the small crew, bad labs, not telling anyone.
Goverment is after all just a large group of the worst human's in charge of a piece of land.
The fact there screwing eatchother over doesnt mean much too the common men execpt that they(the common man) are paying for there(goverment employes) stupidity.

Sorry politic's bring out the worst in me.
 
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I disagree totally: Project Manhatan wasnt done in like a garage with no soldiers around, actually, quite the contrary: When a government has an incredibly critical project, they make sure to divide the teams but to keep the security incredibly thight, not just the project but the scientist themselves, and thats just one of many, but really, any "game changing" project has been both secret but also well funded and very well protected.

As a note, project manhatan employed over 130.000 people, altho im p sure the vast majority of them didnt knew what they were doing (usually, teams had to do something very specific and never had contact with others). Compared that to the 4 directly working on this project (Mirjana, Dimitria, the MC and the other guy), plus maybe Hilde's team, which in total the whole operation isnt bigger than 50 people.

This goes with the logic that, in this case, since you need to hide it from the government, which is very present on top of it, you try to keep it as small and unnoticable as possible, its the only way to make it work really, which is why this happens in a very small city (at least compared with the capital), far from the war, and in a stable region, where the government has as little influence as possible.

of course the person behind is someone with power, which is why he or she can run a hidden operation, when they talk about the "missing supplies" they are actually saying because the "real" purpose of the facility doesnt match with its results. Using another example, imagine that they are running an ammo factory that receives gun powder and resources, but never deliver, or deliver very little ammunitions, something weird is going on, at the very least a case of corruption, which isnt incredibly uncommon in this country.

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Changing topic, I dont feel nor I think the MC looks like a freedom fighter at all lol all of his actions are at first selfish, then he just tries to survive Vera. He is really just dragged by the circumstances, even Vera scolds him many times for thinking too small.

He might have to take big decisions in the future, of course, but as of right now, he is just like going with the flow. He will be influenced by Emma or Vera depending, but he will have the last word ultimately.

But being honest, he is already corrupt lol he was never much of a good guy (anyone who uses a mind control drugs probably isnt a good guy to begin with xD)

the point about being sketchy is the MC knows it is sketchy, like, 90% of the things that happen in the country are, which is why a visit by the PPF is a permanent threat, even if he doesnt does anything wrong or out of place, someone probably did in his workplace, or somewhere along the chain of command.

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About the problems and the government, its a mix bag, trade offs: The country was significantly worse before the revolution (Celia talks about it many times), even more poverty, and as corrupt and oppresive, just using other flag. Also, the goverment is under sanctions and international pressure and in the middle of a war, so that doesnt helps either. With all of these elements around, oppresion is the only tool available to keep peace for the moment, and to try to build their national project, which may bring some good things, and other bad ones too.

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For the last answer: The MC doesnt has perfect information (i do tho :p), so he doesnt knows everything in detail and he can only guess what they are there. Considering he is legally just a janitor/maintenance guy, the idea of him being the target of an investigation by the PPF, specially one that has the fame of being one of the most dangerous one, would be kinda ludicrous, it would be easier to conclude that she is behind Dimitria or someone else in Hilde's team than you.

If she or the PPF really suspected you, considering you have no political power nor an important key position (aka just being a replacable janitor), you would just be abducted, interrogated and disposed, I am p. sure the MC can think as much, considering he knows the politics and procedures of his country.

The other guy which dissapeared was the actual maintenance guy (altho probably also an assistant), the only real researcher (in theory) in that lab is Dimitria, the fate of Stu is unknown by everyone, but his fate is probably not related with their operations
 
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I disagree totally: Project Manhatan wasnt done in like a garage with no soldiers around, actually, quite the contrary: When a government has an incredibly critical project, they make sure to divide the teams but to keep the security incredibly thight, not just the project but the scientist themselves, and thats just one of many, but really, any "game changing" project has been both secret but also well funded and very well protected.

As a note, project manhatan employed over 130.000 people, altho im p sure the vast majority of them didnt knew what they were doing (usually, teams had to do something very specific and never had contact with others). Compared that to the 4 directly working on this project (Mirjana, Dimitria, the MC and the other guy), plus maybe Hilde's team, which in total the whole operation isnt bigger than 50 people.
The manhaten project was during wwII when everyone was trying to beat the nazi.
If i remember correctly the knowledge was stolen from the nazi and the allies try to beat them too it.
It was a case of we need nukes before they do.
Big difference when fighting a war against nazi.
Also nukes where just really big bombs(and arguely still are but with the "benift" of nuclear fall out)
Mind control is on an all other level evil.

This goes with the logic that, in this case, since you need to hide it from the government, which is very present on top of it, you try to keep it as small and unnoticable as possible, its the only way to make it work really, which is why this happens in a very small city (at least compared with the capital), far from the war, and in a stable region, where the government has as little influence as possible.
You need to hide it from your riveals in the goverment.
Corrected that for you.
They are keeping it small to avoid detect because it is that dangerous.

of course the person behind is someone with power, which is why he or she can run a hidden operation, when they talk about the "missing supplies" they are actually saying because the "real" purpose of the facility doesnt match with its results. Using another example, imagine that they are running an ammo factory that receives gun powder and resources, but never deliver, or deliver very little ammunitions, something weird is going on, at the very least a case of corruption, which isnt incredibly uncommon in this country.
Yes and the mc doesnt know that.
All it knows is that:
Agent is looking into missing supplies and i have been using the lab.
I am screwed if she find out what i did.
I believe we both agree on that?

Changing topic, I dont feel nor I think the MC looks like a freedom fighter at all lol all of his actions are at first selfish, then he just tries to survive Vera. He is really just dragged by the circumstances, even Vera scolds him many times for thinking too small.

He might have to take big decisions in the future, of course, but as of right now, he is just like going with the flow. He will be influenced by Emma or Vera depending, but he will have the last word ultimately.

But being honest, he is already corrupt lol he was never much of a good guy (anyone who uses a mind control drugs probably isnt a good guy to begin with xD)
Hence the quotation marks.
The game does have an freedom mechanic so i just voice my request.

the point about being sketchy is the MC knows it is sketchy, like, 90% of the things that happen in the country are, which is why a visit by the PPF is a permanent threat, even if he doesnt does anything wrong or out of place, someone probably did in his workplace, or somewhere along the chain of command.
Indeed.
I never ment to sound like she was targeting him personaly just that an agent showed up right when he is doing double shifts and supplies go missing.
It would be entire correct to think she will find out stuff you dont want her to find out.

About the problems and the government, its a mix bag, trade offs: The country was significantly worse before the revolution (Celia talks about it many times), even more poverty, and as corrupt and oppresive, just using other flag. Also, the goverment is under sanctions and international pressure and in the middle of a war, so that doesnt helps either. With all of these elements around, oppresion is the only tool available to keep peace for the moment, and to try to build their national project, which may bring some good things, and other bad ones too.
My statement regarding goverments applies to all goverments.
There all incomptent in there own way.
And middle of a war?
Where the rebels all but beaten?
I thought that was what the radio mentioned.

For the last answer: The MC doesnt has perfect information (i do tho :p), so he doesnt knows everything in detail and he can only guess what they are there. Considering he is legally just a janitor/maintenance guy, the idea of him being the target of an investigation by the PPF, specially one that has the fame of being one of the most dangerous one, would be kinda ludicrous, it would be easier to conclude that she is behind Dimitria or someone else in Hilde's team than you.
Yes and it explains why i interpeted it as a inspection to missing supplies based on the intel i had.
I dont know the facility is a cover up.
I dont know the goverment isnt involved.
All i know is that mind control is being research and i have been using the lab supplies.
That raises alarm bells.

If she or the PPF really suspected you, considering you have no political power nor an important key position (aka just being a replacable janitor), you would just be abducted, interrogated and disposed, I am p. sure the MC can think as much, considering he knows the politics and procedures of his country.
I think i found the problem in our disagrement.
I never ment to make it sound like she was targeting the mc.
I ment to explain that the mc would feel like the goverment was doing some very evil research and is terrified of being caught.

The other guy which dissapeared was the actual maintenance guy (altho probably also an assistant), the only real researcher (in theory) in that lab is Dimitria, the fate of Stu is unknown by everyone, but his fate is probably not related with their operations
Ofcourse.
But lets look at it from the mc point of view.
You accidently discover the goverment researching MIND CONTROL(and i cant stress enough of how much shit that will stire up)
By simply cleaning the lab.
Stu was reasigned.
Given what there researching it is entirely possible the stu poke his noise where it didnt belong.
It could be nothing but if i found out i was working in a lab where the goverment was reseaching mind control i would be paranoid as hell.

That is the thing.
We are talking about the kind of stuff that countries would commited genocied for too have.
It isnt nukes we are talking about.
Those are fluffly little bombs in comparision.

I dont know if you realized but goverments are all about control.
And mind control is as close to absolute power as you can get.
It is the kind of stuff you dont want anyone other then yourself to have.

It is entirely justifable to suspect everything as a threat once's you found out that secret.
 

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The nazis were never going to be able to research a bomb, they didnt had the facilities nor the proper technical knowledge, the allies knew this very well, specially since they sabotaged the few facilities that the nazis could use to produce the bomb.

The bombs were more than a deterrent to the soviet union than for anything else. If it was actually to be used against the nazis, why they werent used against them to begin with? lol

but the point is: these big, game changing projects cost a lot of money, and are extremely delicate, I am not sure why you think "oh well, of course they invested over 22 billion dollars (current) and over 100k people involved, but mind control serum, yeah, a team of 50 with no security nor facilities is how we should do it now"

No, we just simply disagree about how goverments handle top secret, game changing projects.

And again, many people involved in project manhatan didnt knew what where they doing, or for what purpose, so if the actual government in this game was doing the serum, they would have a bigger team with thighter security.

And no, this is not a "rival" thing in the government, these are a small secret group trying to coup d'etat the government and take over themselves, there is a difference between trying to get up the ladder and a conspiracy to grab the control of the entire country.

Again about the MC: He is just a janitor, he knows this, there is absolutely no reason for him to be the main target of the most dangerous agent of the PPF, and again, if he was, they would just kidnap and deal with him directly, since he is literally a no one with no connections, which means he is the easiest target for the PPF.

The MC, knowing this, and again repeating that he is a logical thinker, must know that the fact that Vera is in the lab is because Vera is trying to fuck over Hilde, and not specifically about him nor Dimitria.

The MC technically shouldnt even know they are doing a mind control serum, since that info is way above his pay grade, so obviously it would be very weird that they suspect anything from him.

In an example, if the most feared detectived investigated a business, should the janitor think "man they are up to me! They know I took $50 from the cash register the other day!"

Like, the supplies the MC has taken are very, very minuscule, definitely not worth of a serious investigation, let alone an investigation by PPF's most dangerous agent. I understand there is a confussion about it tho, because "supplies" is a very generic word for this case, but in reality is more like the example above about the ammunition factory not delivering what they are supposed to deliver, in industrial quantities, and not doing a witch hunt for what's not even a single box of chemical supplies (which for that matter, not even Dimitria knows you've taken, since if she had your suspicion would go above its max and it would be game over)
 
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The nazis were never going to be able to research a bomb, they didnt had the facilities nor the proper technical knowledge, the allies knew this very well, specially since they sabotaged the few facilities that the nazis could use to produce the bomb.
Yes and that is why they had to finesh it before the axes repaired those facilities.
Hitler himself underestimated the value of said bombs.
The bombs were more than a deterrent to the soviet union than for anything else. If it was actually to be used against the nazis, why they werent used against them to begin with? lol
An other reason to get them first.
That is my point.
Everyone was trying to get nuke's first.
It was a weapons race.
That would need large numbers and with the threat of genocied via nazi you can get people to agree to keep quiet and do there jobs.
That is the difference.
In game we are in some shit country ruled over by morons(more moronic then the usal politicans we have) where everyone is corrupted and the secret police all but rules the country.
There isnt a feeling of nationalism that the amarican's are (in)famous for.
There isnt threat threating to wipe out there way of life.
There is no big boogie man that can keep the people united.

but the point is: these big, game changing projects cost a lot of money, and are extremely delicate, I am not sure why you think "oh well, of course they invested over 22 billion dollars (current) and over 100k people involved, but mind control serum, yeah, a team of 50 with no security nor facilities is how we should do it now"
And once again.
You are compairing nukes to mind control.
A bomb no mather how dangerous is no where near as dangerous as mind control.
Bombs kill people and dead people cant serve.
But the ability to turn everyone into a mindless drone who will do whatever you tell it?
That is the kinda of stuff world leaders have wet dreams off.
That is kind stuff that would change the world on suchs a level that all previous crimes will look outright benovolent in comparison.
I dont think you realize the sheer abuse of power it will create if people had the ability to mind control people.
We currently have mass entertamaint because it distracts people and prevents uprisings.
What do you think would happen if the goverment got access to a potion that makes everyone do what there told and be happy about it?
18 hours shifts in a factor, no healthcare, no family, breedings farms.
I have no disillusion.
If mind control was something anyone could do.
It will be used to enslave the world.
It is invendable.

YOU. DONT. WANT. ANYONE. TO KNOW. WHAT. YOU. ARE. DOING.
Not even your best friends and family.
Add to that it is consider impossible by most people.
You want to keep this quiet.
The more people involved the greater the risk.
And if you get caught.
At best you be the laughting stock for trying to do the impossible.
At worst you start world war 3.

No, we just simply disagree about how goverments handle top secret, game changing projects.
That we agree upon.

And again, many people involved in project manhatan didnt knew what where they doing, or for what purpose, so if the actual government in this game was doing the serum, they would have a bigger team with thighter security.
Again the manhaten project was a weapon race to build the mother off all bombs in the middle of a war against an enemy who's goal was to create the perfect race and cleanse the "lesser" race's.
It wasnt mind control in a country during a relatively peaceful time period.

And no, this is not a "rival" thing in the government, these are a small secret group trying to coup d'etat the government and take over themselves, there is a difference between trying to get up the ladder and a conspiracy to grab the control of the entire country.
Thanks for the spoilers.
Againt at this point in time all the mc knows is that part of the goverment is doing so really evil research.
He doesnt have any reason to believe it isnt just politicians being politicians.

Again about the MC: He is just a janitor, he knows this, there is absolutely no reason for him to be the main target of the most dangerous agent of the PPF, and again, if he was, they would just kidnap and deal with him directly, since he is literally a no one with no connections, which means he is the easiest target for the PPF.
Yes we already agreed on this.


The MC, knowing this, and again repeating that he is a logical thinker, must know that the fact that Vera is in the lab is because Vera is trying to fuck over Hilde, and not specifically about him nor Dimitria.
And this is where we disagree.
She is here because supplies are missing and reports dont add up.
Hilde is the prime suspect.
Vira herself mention later during the coffee i believe that she also wants to get those who are funding hilda.
She isnt trying to fuck over anyone.
She is trying to find corruption and put an end to it as is her job.
Nothing shown in game tells me she hate's hilde but plenty tells me she was(up until she find out about the mind control potion) that she was doing her job to find those who are corrupt.

Ever hear of the saying:
Dont steal the goverment hate competation.
PPF are corrupt yes but they dont like other being corrupt because that would cut into there proffits.
It is the same anywhere.
Criminals dont like other criminals stealing there protection money.
This was what made the maffia so populair.
Sure they where criminals but the could be relied upon to protect there interest and have rules in place.
Same as the goverment really.

The MC technically shouldnt even know they are doing a mind control serum, since that info is way above his pay grade, so obviously it would be very weird that they suspect anything from him.
It would have been wierd if she woudnt suspect him.
It is her job to suspect everyone.
And she rightly deduct's that the genius mc doesnt like being a janitor.
People who are unhappy with there lot in life are easier to bribe.
That is what she is doing.
Bribing him to do was she wants.
Until she discovered what he accauly did.
She was underestimating him yes but she was suspecting him to be someone who can be bribed.
And if she can bribe you with hollowt promisses so can others.

In an example, if the most feared detectived investigated a business, should the janitor think "man they are up to me! They know I took $50 from the cash register the other day!"
Wrong comparision.
It would be like the janitor thinking.
Shit i hope they wont discover all those corpses of my rape victems.
You are again underestimating just the sheer danger of mind control research is.
This is the kind of stuff that you would be made to disappear for.
And if the most feared agent of the state comes to check your busniss because they suspect your boss.
You really hope they wont find out what you have done.

To take a more crual compairsion.
It would be like a child molester working as janitor.
Sure they arent there for you but even 1% chance of being discovered would lead to a fate worse then death.
After if the most feared agent find out why you where stealing duct tabe from work.....
I am sure you can imagine the outcome.

Like, the supplies the MC has taken are very, very minuscule, definitely not worth of a serious investigation, let alone an investigation by PPF's most dangerous agent. I understand there is a confussion about it tho, because "supplies" is a very generic word for this case, but in reality is more like the example above about the ammunition factory not delivering what they are supposed to deliver, in industrial quantities, and not doing a witch hunt for what's not even a single box of chemical supplies (which for that matter, not even Dimitria knows you've taken, since if she had your suspicion would go above its max and it would be game over)
And here we are at the heart of the mather.
Misinterpretation
I see an agent showing up a week after i started doubleshifts and using the lab(being careful not to get caught)
Dimitria i can fool.
I see her everyday and i know her.
But Vira.
We are talking about someone who's job it is to find corruption.
Given what we are researching it would be entirely believeable if every single report would be triple checked and then checked some more.
It is entirely believeable that something with this level of dangerous research would have even the slightly missing supplies to be reason for a fullscale investigation.

I cant stress this enough.
We are talking about researching something so dangerous that it will lead to world war 3 if it ever got out.
If any country in real life would succesfull make a mind control drug every other country is going to bomb it to the stone age and steal that research.
It is that scary of a power.
 
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"There isnt a feeling of nationalism that the amarican's are (in)famous for."
"There isnt threat threating to wipe out there way of life. "
"There is no big boogie man that can keep the people united. "

They are in the middle of a war with a foreign country, and they are constantly attacked by foreign nations with sanctions, that's more than enough to use to keep people united in an us vs them, is not that different from, i.e., north korea, even though NK isnt fighting the current war they are in, while here they are.

I am not sure why you think there is no nationalism: Katy is an example of a brain washed citizen. Many wont be, of course, specially people with high education like the MC, Dimitria, or kinda foreigners, like Mirjana. Cynics like Vera, or idealists like Emma neither, but the vast majority of young (anyone under 35, considering the regime has been in power for 10 years) people are, actually.

It was a popular revolution, not just a coup d'etat nor anything like that, so of course the regime has popularity among the normal citizens.

The MC and the people he gets surrounded by are skeptics and cynics, but i.e. Celia isnt against the regime, she actually has mixed feelings about it but overall supports it, the MC father was a war hero too, although he was not a prominent figure, he was in favor of the revolutionary war for the most part.

to the next point:

YOU DONT WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW YOU ARE BUILDING NUKES EITHER, NUKES WERE A SECRET BEFORE THEY WERE USED

Heck, EVEN TODAY people builds nukes IN SECRET (i.e. Iran, Israel, NK). The idea of "well, the more dangerous something is, the less protected and funded it should be" is just not logical, sorry, but we DISAGREE about this point: The most dangerous something is, the MORE thight you want your security, the more funding and investment, and you will put AS MANY PEOPLE as necesary to do it, specially if you want it fast, which they do, but cant do it because increasing their operations is not a luxury they can have.

Heck, the reason why no one asks Dimitria for results ASAP is because with what she has, it is understood that she can barely do progress, but is NOT like they have a choice.

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Why you think a nuclear bomb is part of a weapon race, but a mind control serum wouldnt be? It would be, of course. If the government isnt doing it, its because they dont want to allocate resources to it when they are fighting a war that they are barely winning, which is why also Germany and other countries couldnt invest heavily during the war for their own secret weapons projects, and the reason the US could is because their cities werent being bombed nor they were threaten to suffer an invasion, plus they enter the war significantly later (PM started in 39, so they had like 3 years to research in total peace)

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Again, THE MC KNOWS that if they suspected HIM, they would just TAKE HIM, because he is a nothing but a JANITOR, and the PPF isn't exactly shy when acting with the most powerless people.

Also, there is a mistake about what the PPF does: the PPF is known to fuck over people, specially does who complot against the government, they are politically motivated to do so, which I think its explained in the PPF section in the journal.

The PPF is not about ending corruption at all, I mean in paper they are, but in reality they arent more than doing the dirty jobs of people in power, that is also mentioned. They are not the anti corruption police, but the political police. They arent motivated by money, but by power and control. It is even mentioned that the PPF isnt really that well funded, because you really dont need top notch spying equipment when you can just use any flimsy evidence to arrest someone.

So the PPF inspecting you is probably bad news because they will use any excuse to fuck you because thats what they do, if they are there is either because it will help their career, you did something to annoy them, or someone at the top asked them to do so.

and unless you are really, really clean, or have a lot of power and influence, you will not really escape their grasp.

This is why Vera is a threat, because even if she isnt looking for the MC, him and everyone involved with Hilde are doomed most likely. This is why the MC agrees to met Vera to begin with instead of escaping: He knows Vera thinks of him a dsgrunted janitor who is about to snitch, nothing but scum in her eyes, which is why he expects her to have the guard down with him, but Vera is way too paranoic for the MC, more than the usual cocky, full of hubris, full of themselves agent, who never would think that a janitor would dare to do something like this.

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Vera doesnt suspects the MC is doing some kinda weird, serum control research. She suspects him as much as anyone else: that he probably has some skeletons in his closet, but there is no reason for Vera to believe he is very dangerous or a significant threat.

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"Shit i hope they wont discover all those corpses of my rape victems.
You are again underestimating just the sheer danger of mind control research is.
This is the kind of stuff that you would be made to disappear for.
And if the most feared agent of the state comes to check your busniss because they suspect your boss.
You really hope they wont find out what you have done. "


This is a very wrong way to look at it: The MC knows at best that they suspect him from something very minor, HE KNOWS he has a lot of shady shit behind with the serum, which is WHY Vera is a threat, and WHY he wants to neutralize the threat, but THERE IS NO EVIDENCE nor anything that suggests him that they ALREADY know anything about the mind control research, because top secret means even the PPF wouldn't know about it, not a field agent, and if they did and suspected him, again, they would have kindapped him from the beginning, so by the fact he is alive and free he knows they dont know anything about him nor the research.

So yeah, HE KNOWS what would happen if he doesnt deals with Vera in that moment, but HE KNOWS she doesnt knows about it, which is why the example of the factory works: They are not there because of you, they are there to look for something else, and they may caught you, which is why you need to act before they keep digging.

The doubleshifts arent something extremely weird either, heck even in free countries arent lol, so it is not weird to think it would be here.

Also, again, THE PPF doesnt investigates petty theft, if ANYONE had realized about his misdeeds, the first person he would had to answer would be Dimitria, and she never realized this to begin with (if she had, it would have been game over, since she knowing is initial suspicion bar of 30), so there is no way they are there because of that, since Dimitria is the kind of woman who yells at you for every single mistake you do, specially since she hates the MC.

So again the misinterpretation is that you think the job of the PPF is to find corruption, but its more about taking down political threats and conspirations before they grow too strong. Of course, these conspiracies and threats usually work off the books, so the PPF can always claim that they found corruption and took it down, but the truth is they are mostly politically motivated.

And I need to repeat, and I cant stress this enough either: The MC KNOWS that if they suspected him AT ALL they would just kidnap him, torture him, and dispose of him, because he is nothing but a janitor. The fact that Vera even asked the MC to meet with her instead of taking him by force makes it clear that the PPF is blind about whats going on and are trying to find anything
 
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Since we both clearly wont be agreeing on this i suggest we just let it go(it is not really worth fighting over)
As this is your game and you know what you ment write i will simply accept i miss interperted the information i was given and leave it at that.

I do hope you will continue making this wonderful game.
 
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