brittC25

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You have to consider the patreon fees, taxes and social security contribution. In Germany less than the half would go to DC and his employees net.
Patreon fees: the service sent an email to creators outlining changes to the fee structure of pledges.
Rather than extracting a processing fee from the creator side, Patreon is going to start charging supporters extra.
The new service fee is 2.9 percent plus 35 cents per pledge.

In the USA for example, the average tax rate for taxpayers who earn over $1,000,000 is 33.1 percent, so either way, on $576,000 per year, minus tax, he is still earning massive earning per year, on a game that in reality, could literally take years to complete.
 
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secretsonny

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I didnt need to bother looking up his present team as I already knew there was a set team in place, so meh to You lol, but since many many people are not happy with, well the Artwork alone, I would expect him to be shaking the tree a lot in reality.

There are many great 2D/3D artists out there, if You shake the tree hard enough, and look hard enough, they can be found and employed in reality.
Name and suggest said artists to DC via email. He claims to be looking and encourages fans to also do some searching.
 

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I don’t get it people who are not patrons constantly complain about how slow he is and other developers release updates faster, yet none of 2d games release smaller update per month than he does in a year and the ones release larger update takes nearly as long as DC. It’s almost like games that use 2d art rather then CG take longer to update.
Kingdom of Deception updates far more frequently than this, only gets just over 5K a month and has huge amounts of dialogue each update, across multiple different plot lines all woven together.
SS has what, like 2 different points of divergence? With Mia and her Mom and another one I may have forgot and updates with nowhere near as much dialogue.

2D games are more difficult but you can also still copy and paste resources and edit them, it's not like every scene has to be drawn from scratch.

You know, nobody has the right to *force* him to do it like he (the nobody) wants it done. It's *his* game and he wants it done *his* way, without additional people messing things up. Only because thousands of people find the game good enough to send him money does change nothing. The game is for free. Don't donate if you feel differently. Oh, wait...
Yeah and nobody has any right to force us to say his management is brilliant? Just because it's free for us doesn't mean we're not allowed to want better, not when he earns so much money for making it, more than most people can hope to make in actual full time jobs.

I've volunteered as an admin, for free, for over two years now and even though I'm only at work two days a week I'm one of the most efficient people in the building despite no prior experience, because I choose to work hard and work well in order to help out the charity I work at.

Why shouldn't we expect better of someone who would earn as calculated above something in the realms of 250k a year? "Free" and "donations" doesn't change the fact that this is essentially a job and could be managed much better.


Nobody is asking for 400 updates a year or for the game to be finished in 2 weeks but it absolutely does move at a snails pace and could definitely go faster with more people involved who know what they're doing.
It really wouldn't be hard to advertise for some devs, give them a trial run and then pay them a salary. I bet there's thousands of aspiring students who could get a crap load done in their free time and would accept even 10K a year.
 

Porn_Jesus

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Threads name should be changed in "Let's talk about DCs monthly income" or maybe perhaps someone who's in power has a good day and gets out a warning to stop it? Do i really have to unwatch this thread just to avoid all this boring and useless crying about money? Move your butts to DCs discord server, say it into his face or just stfu and let other people in peace ffs.

Do you all believe he will drop down here some day, read all of this, sadness will invade his soul and he will give all the money back or beg for mercy? What is the goddamn point to discuss his patreon income here?
 

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Nobody is asking for 400 updates a year or for the game to be finished in 2 weeks but it absolutely does move at a snails pace and could definitely go faster with more people involved who know what they're doing.
It really wouldn't be hard to advertise for some devs, give them a trial run and then pay them a salary. I bet there's thousands of aspiring students who could get a crap load done in their free time and would accept even 10K a year.
*rubs eyes together*

What people are asking for is that the updates are far more frequent on a game that has a far larger bottleneck than predetermined assets. The production process may have an issue. I think Dogeek and others have talked about it. But for me and a few other people, this is the key problem:

What are WE going to do about it? This is why I point out constantly that this is mere Mental Masturbation. People Blue Ball themselves about money, production, and everything else which we have NO control over. Zero.

The only thing we have control over in F95 is whether we think the game is good or not. Can we tell if the game got abandoned? Probably after the mods and some fans point it out. And that's why I choose to focus on this and other games. Because all that MM just ain't worth it over playing other games and seeing what they are doing in the mean time as you pointed out earlier in your post. But putting this game with others is just disingenuous.

Each process, each team, and each game within the adult industry has hurdles to overcome and all of it takes *time* to create and put out. Why everyone wants to wank over that is beyond me...
 

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SS has what, like 2 different points of divergence? With Mia and her Mom and another one I may have forgot and updates with nowhere near as much dialogue.
He planned to have more divergent paths but people complained they couldn't own fuck every single female in this game in one go so DC changed his mind. I don't know if I remember correctly but there was a rumour that even the existing branches could be removed.

2D games are more difficult but you can also still copy and paste resources and edit them, it's not like every scene has to be drawn from scratch.
That's one of the reasons for the rework of the existing characters. He has to move them onto the new rig system, because when he started he drew the full poses and scenes so copy&paste didn't work for everything.
 

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He planned to have more divergent paths but people complained they couldn't own fuck every single female in this game in one go so DC changed his mind. I don't know if I remember correctly but there was a rumour that even the existing branches could be removed.
It's not a rumour. DC said it himself in one of his streams.
 

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I 100% agree with this, having to keep multiple saves for multiple routes is annoying and adds nothing to the game. There's not a particularly good story reason to have these divergent paths either.

(Also, why even bother to include a heroine and her mom in the same game if we're not allowed to fuck both at the same time, that's the cruelest choice to force us to make.)
 

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I 100% agree with this, having to keep multiple saves for multiple routes is annoying and adds nothing to the game. There's not a particularly good story reason to have these divergent paths either.

(Also, why even bother to include a heroine and her mom in the same game if we're not allowed to fuck both at the same time, that's the cruelest choice to force us to make.)
Realism and immersion are the main reasons. It's "strange enough" - yet part of the story - that MC fucks the whole town, but it's a bit too much if he can do them all at the same time, especially in cases like for example Mia and Helen which should be rather exclusive given the whole story setup. Choices provide meaning and depth in these cases, if there's no choice the story easily becomes shallow or there has to be even more time invested in "non h content" to make it work (and it likely still seems odd/easy).

I'm rather sad about it, because it will certainly (have) damange(d) some stories, especially Mia's as it is. The fact that there's a lot non h content and storytelling is what makes this game good compared to others.

Late edit: And next to that it'll likely make those people unhappy, who cry NTR when ever there's any other male involved in which ever way. Right now one can safely and logically exclude for example Erik from any sex scene with MC, if the choice is gone, one can't and the threesome will be part of that story. I personally like it, so it's fine, but I still think it makes the storytelling worse again.
 
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brittC25

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You know, nobody has the right to *force* him to do it like he (the nobody) wants it done. It's *his* game and he wants it done *his* way, without additional people messing things up. Only because thousands of people find the game good enough to send him money does change nothing. The game is for free. Don't donate if you feel differently. Oh, wait...

So you say if I and thousands other people give you 50.000 bucks a month, unasked, we have the right to tell you how to do things?

I know what he promised in his patreon goals (hire more staff). but fact is, he has no influence on the amount of money his fans give him, so he cannot be forced. Especially when he tried and it did not work out.
No one said anything about forcing DC into anything, seriously, all laughs, jokes, digs aside now, he has a HR department in his team and clearly his HR department sucks balls at actually doing Human Resources, because for a game like this to run smoothly, HR has to have a clean plan of action for time management of each department within the DC company, clearly HR have no clue how to use time management on the present team and set them constant goals and targets to reach and to surpass also.

DC should not be looking to hire someone who can just copy his work, he needs to hire an artist who is better at 2D/3D than DC actually is, and then DC can have time to update and upgrade his own skill set, because as many people here have already pointed out the present art in the game beginning to end has endless errors in it caused by DC himself, that aside, the rest of his team need a wake up call also, as it is to easy when earning $576,000 per year to become complacent in each department and the game and its great name suffer for it in the long run.

Change of personal is not always a bad thing, bring in guys and girls who are hungry to prove how good they are, add them to the present team if You wish, and rock the entire boat for all to see, this usually zaps a team back into the reality of time to wake up and get going or be sacked.

This game has such promise, it really does, but there are aspects of this game like early parts with the life guard, the mystery door in the school and tons of other early stories left and not updated while DC covers the whims of his paying patreons, the fork in the story with mia and her mom, or eric and his mom, this is not needed at all to keep this game being a great game, and in reality, the fork screws the game up in my own opinion.

With people paying monthly, this game became a product in reality, a monthly update sees a newer version of the product emerge, DC not being forced, has a need to have the best team he can on board, working at 110% constantly, and a serious HR department, with a serious plan of action in place, with targets to hit and ultra controlled time management in place, this product earns DC company $576,000 per year, so not advertising all over the net for posers, coders, artists, HR staff is clearly not an option anymore and DC needs to take to FB, Twitter, all social media and put the word out, he has high paying jobs that need filling with people (guys or Girls) who have vast experience in: Coding, Posing, Music, HR and 2D Artists.

Otherwise if he does not, this game will eventually end up with longer and longer waiting times happening, average artwork, average coding, average posing, and that 576k will begin to drop down a lot as people see other artists out there doing 2D games with simply stunning artwork in them, stunning posing, coding, story and so on, when You reach the top like DC has done, You either update You and your teams skill set always and thus always improve and grow and people pledge more and more because of it, or You improve nothing, and take the meal ticket per year and eventually some other up and coming Dev or Devs, knock You off top spot and the fall down the ladder of success happens a lot faster than the climb up the ladder of success ever did.
 

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No one said anything about forcing DC into anything, seriously, all laughs, jokes, digs aside now, he has a HR department in his team and clearly his HR department sucks balls at actually doing Human Resources, because for a game like this to run smoothly, HR has to have a clean plan of action for time management of each department within the DC company, clearly HR have no clue how to use time management on the present team and set them constant goals and targets to reach and to surpass also.

DC should not be looking to hire someone who can just copy his work, he needs to hire an artist who is better at 2D/3D than DC actually is, and then DC can have time to update and upgrade his own skill set, because as many people here have already pointed out the present art in the game beginning to end has endless errors in it caused by DC himself, that aside, the rest of his team need a wake up call also, as it is to easy when earning $576,000 per year to become complacent in each department and the game and its great name suffer for it in the long run.

Change of personal is not always a bad thing, bring in guys and girls who are hungry to prove how good they are, add them to the present team if You wish, and rock the entire boat for all to see, this usually zaps a team back into the reality of time to wake up and get going or be sacked.

This game has such promise, it really does, but there are aspects of this game like early parts with the life guard, the mystery door in the school and tons of other early stories left and not updated while DC covers the whims of his paying patreons, the fork in the story with mia and her mom, or eric and his mom, this is not needed at all to keep this game being a great game, and in reality, the fork screws the game up in my own opinion.

With people paying monthly, this game became a product in reality, a monthly update sees a newer version of the product emerge, DC not being forced, has a need to have the best team he can on board, working at 110% constantly, and a serious HR department, with a serious plan of action in place, with targets to hit and ultra controlled time management in place, this product earns DC company $576,000 per year, so not advertising all over the net for posers, coders, artists, HR staff is clearly not an option anymore and DC needs to take to FB, Twitter, all social media and put the word out, her has high paying jobs that need filling with people (guys or Girls) who have vast experience in: Coding, Posing, Music, HR and 2D Artists.

Otherwise if he does not, this game will eventually end up with longer and longer waiting times happening, average artwork, average coding, average posing, and that 576k will begin to drop down a lot as people see other artists out there doing 2D games with simply stunning artwork in them, stunning posing, coding, story and so on, when You reach the top like DC has done, You either update You and your teams skill set always and thus always improve and grow and people pledge more and more because of it, or You improve nothing, and take the meal ticket per year and eventually some other up and coming Dev or Dev, knock You off top spot and the fall down the ladder of success happens a lot faster than the climb up he ladder of success ever did.
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secretsonny

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"DC isn't good enough anymore and he should hire new people to inspire him to get better. And if he doesn't all this prep work will do the opposite of what it's supposed to and make things worse."

I don't know how any of that actually helps any problems in game but everyone has ideas, good or bad.
 

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I don’t get why is it hard to understand that progress won’t until they get another artist that copy DC style so that he doesn’t have to teach them. Also things like Judith and underground cult won’t get updated until patrons vote on it.
 

brittC25

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Also things like Judith and underground cult won’t get updated until patrons vote on it.
I said he is stuck now to the whims of his pledges, and he is fully stuck to their whims and has been for some time now, I personally cannot see him backing out of that anytime soon, so the cult, life guard, judith, and other early stories wont happen anytime soon or ever if the pledges do not vote for it, this is sadly the downside of Patreon, having so many paying pledges is great, and it increases the ideas pool being offered, but then when You begin fully catering to their almost every whim in votes they want, the actual story from early on and middle of the game never actually gets done.
 
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