Ren'Py Abandoned Summertime Saga [v0.20.16 Pre-tech] [Kompas Productions]

[Nerro]

That wasn't your argument. Your argument was not that a lot of adult game Patreon subscribers are F95zone users.

Your argument was "I think you'd be surprised how many people here pay creators." Restated with proper terms: "I think you'd be surprised how many F95zone users pay creators."

When I said "here", I of course meant the users actively using the site on a somewhat regular basis. Idk why you would assume when I say "people here" would also mean people who made an F95 account 5 years ago and haven't been back since. That person is not "here" anymore.

And, no, your response is more so a false equivalence than mine. You are saying that "active subscribers" actually are "active" in a similar way that "active F95zone users" would be measured (meaning, logging in, interacting with others, downloading etc). And no, that does not necessarily have to be the case. They simply have to click the "subscribe" button on patreon and that's it - they never have to check in again. And that's what a fair number of people do. Just like many people here simply create an account so that they can use the download links.

Being able to subscribe to a Patron without paying is a very new feature. Just some months ago, this feature was called "follow" You could follow a Patreon for free but subscription always meant you were paying at least the lowest tier. So yes, if in your post, you meant the 600-700K subs also included those who were subbing for free, there aren't all that many of those 700K who are actually paying. But I think most people who read you post thought you were comparing paying subs to all accounts ever created here, seeing as in my post, I was speaking specifically of "people who pay".

Nevertheless, comparing all adult game subs on Patreon with all accounts ever created on F95 is still false equivalence, simply due to the fact, that you could not sub for free on Patreon until just recently. Meanwhile, people can make unlimited free F95 accounts and have been able to do so for the past 7 years and many have good reason to do so(ban evading, react abuse, trolling, etc.). There are not many incentives to have more than 1 Patreon account afaik, seeing as free members usually can't interact with anything.


Anyways, I'm done meddling in semantics. None of us know exactly how many F95 users support creators. All I know is, those devs who asked their paying subs where they discovered the game, most of them say pirate sites. And that makes sense, because you can't exactly advertise a porn game anywhere else except for maybe Twitter and Steam(if you manage to get greenlit), both have many limitations and issues that makes it hard to advertise effectively compared to pirate sites where everyone can see and play the game for free.

 

[j4yj4m]

a question, is there even like a place that can bring new people to their patreon that isn't f95? like i know if i search summertime saga, f95 will not appear as the main search result, but if one person don't know about summertime saga at all, how would they go on their way to find about it to go support that isn't here?

Sure, basically every place that features non anime 2D porn of some sort online.
The same discussion happend a few days ago and a few pages back, but SS is one of the (few) games which does indeed have a significant exposure on social media (facebook, reddit, X, etc. because of fanart) and has hundreds of millions of videoviews on all kinds of video portals like youtube and basically every other NSFW portal out there like pornhub, xvideos, spankbang, xnxx, etc.
Next to that it's the #1 NSFW game by patrons on patreon for years, which alone will attract some.

Ultimately there are at least two kinds of users. Those who are already registered here, who know about porn games and who know how to use this forum. They'll likely find the game via this page.

And all those others above, who aren't on F95 yet, may just use google once they know the name and find another source, like DC's official homepage.

You can just ask yourself how you found F95?
Surely you found some game you wanted to play somewhere on the internet, it was behind some kind of patreon paywall and because of that you ended up here. That's likely how it's for 99% the the users.

Now you can ask yourself the question if you'd have come to F95, if you could have downloaded the game you wanted back then for free from the dev himself.

 

[Count Morado]

a question, is there even like a place that can bring new people to their patreon that isn't f95? like i know if i search summertime saga, f95 will not appear as the main search result, but if one person don't know about summertime saga at all, how would they go on their way to find about it to go support that isn't here?

There are dozens, if not hundreds of sites like F95 - and not all of them are "english only" like F95. Are they all the size of F95? No. However, here is a screengrab of one site where you can "find" Summertime Saga while browsing games... with links available to the developer's website, etc:

That's 70.4 million downloads from that website (of the APK - across all versions)... which is almost double the number of views of this thread, and the number of views of this thread is more than the number of downloads for Summertime Saga from F95.

Here's another site:


And another:

When I said "here", I of course meant the users actively using the site on a somewhat regular basis. Idk why you would assume when I say "people here" would also mean people who made an F95 account 5 years ago and haven't been back since. That person is not "here" anymore.



Being able to subscribe to a Patron without paying is a very new feature. Just some months ago, this feature was called "follow" You could follow a Patreon for free but subscription always meant you were paying at least the lowest tier. So yes, if in your post, you meant the 600-700K subs also included those who were subbing for free, there aren't all that many of those 700K who are actually paying. But I think most people who read you post thought you were comparing paying subs to all accounts ever created here, seeing as in my post, I was speaking specifically of "people who pay".

Nevertheless, comparing all adult game subs on Patreon with all accounts ever created on F95 is still false equivalence, simply due to the fact, that you could not sub for free on Patreon until just recently. Meanwhile, people can make unlimited free F95 accounts and have been able to do so for the past 7 years and many have good reason to do so(ban evading, react abuse, trolling, etc.). There are not many incentives to have more than 1 Patreon account afaik, seeing as free members usually can't interact with anything.


Anyways, I'm done meddling in semantics. None of us know exactly how many F95 users support creators. All I know is, those devs who asked their paying subs where they discovered the game, most of them say pirate sites. And that makes sense, because you can't exactly advertise a porn game anywhere else except for maybe Twitter and Steam(if you manage to get greenlit), both have many limitations and issues that makes it hard to advertise effectively compared to pirate sites where everyone can see and play the game for free.

There are 600-700k paying subscribers to adult game creator on Patreon.

Look, even if you say they registered for an account in the past year in order to be active, 1.2 million did --- and you'd have to have nearly 100% of the adult game patreon subscribers be among them in order to get to 50% of those those newly added accounts in just the past year. It's 2.3 million in the past 2 years, now you've dropped down to 30%...

Yes, F95 is a good place for NEW developers to get some recognition and a base of supporters (paying and nonpaying) - the average being maybe 20-50 paying subscribers from all sources... but the average user here on F95 has never and will never subscribe to any developer. And the percentage of users (active or not) who do is not a significant percentage.

 

[Senigata]

Bro started speaking about visions

I'm sure the Ten Commandments are next

 

[siatugst]

all i can see is walls and walls full of text from people across the globe. and most of the text comes from the Count himself. (morado)

 

[Senigata]

all i can see is walls and walls full of text from people across the globe. and most of the text comes from the Count himself. (morado)

And the other autist who seems to be too far down the culture war rabbit hole

 

[Black Orchid]

F95 is allegedly irrelevant, yet this guy is over here with 6500+ replies shilling darkcookie like it's his 9-5

 

[HerreroA]

yep
abandoned

 

[Xupuzulla]

F95 is allegedly irrelevant, yet this guy is over here with 6500+ replies shilling darkcookie like it's his 9-5

Is obvious that those two dont realize the irony of their posts

 

[JizzMasta420710]

i recommend people unwatch this thread because it will become and actual cesspit of shit in a few weeks
all the lurkers and silent oblivious supporters will come here and rage when they realize they waited almost three years for barely any new content

lol its deserved if there that stupid with their money ahahahahha ima laugh at those idiots

 

[DeepSpace_Potato]

F95 is allegedly irrelevant, yet this guy is over here with 6500+ replies shilling darkcookie like it's his 9-5

He was(still is I guess) actually on many threads perpetreting the same attitude. Someone already mentioned Omnikuken. Well, funny to say I preferred his salty replies to this. Anyway if that bothers you, just ignore and move on.

By the way as many don't love Jenny here's the new artwork

and give a look at the fanmade AI pictures, as they're getting better and better.

 

[Senigata]

Anyway if that bothers you you can just ignore and move on.

And deprive us all of this precious verbal sport?

 

[Maximilian]

damn, its gone gone. i hoped my grandchildren will get to try this once its finished

 

[DickKingLoL]

?? how is it abandoned? what happened? isnt patreon news updated only 9 days ago?

 

[McSlut]

By the way as many don't love Jenny here's the new artwork

god i wish that was me

 

[Xupuzulla]

The only good thing about Darkcookie is that he is a Jenny fan like anyone with good taste.

 

[itsyeboii]

Deleted his account apparently.

Good riddance, nothing of value was lost. That crybaby was the reason I started engaging in this thread because he said the dumbest shit with full confidence. Fun times dunking on him but I don't miss them.

 

[McSlut]

The only good thing about Darkcookie is that he is a Jenny fan like anyone with good taste.

grace is still the best girl in the whole game but darkcucky would rather make 20 more odette scenes than give us anything more with her

 

[harem.king]

a toast to the abandoned tag
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they really dropped the ball here.
they were milking about a million dollars a year from patreon for 2 updates a year of barely any content.
how could they let it become abandoned? this seriously impacts their bottom line and was so easy to avoid.

Hold up, so your saying the update (that's supposed to add newer content to what the game already has) is going to strip off content which it already has???

Many such cases

 

[memelman]

On one side this is NOT how any masterpiece is created. This is the m.o. of movies & TV show producers who see that an IP sells so they pile on another installment and then another and another, butchering the canon, butchering the lore in however way seems to be most profitable next, not giving a flying fuck about the fanbase, until inevitably the quality tanks so badly the IP is no longer useful to extract money from suckers. That's EXACTLY what DC did.
Just remember how quickly he dropped incest as soon as it presented any risk to his income despite incest being THE central theme of his original vision. There was no burning need for integrity there because money.
If he actually had a vision he "needed" to tell with artistic integrity SS would release in very well defined chapters, each one building upon the previous one, like DmD, LomL and countless other Ren'Py games, with no reason to break old saves.

Don't really have an issue with the rest of what you wrote and agree for the most part, but you are 100% wrong here. Objectively 100% wrong.

The whole idea that porn games must be fully episodic and must never break saves is idiotic and makes that quality of the games much much worse. Visual novels are least hurt by that kind of development process, but it also forces lots of games that aren't really trying to be visual novels to basically have the structure of visual novels. And not particularly complex visual novels either.

Imagine trying to make a video game where you can never make changes that impact the saved game file structure. Imagine having to make the complete and finished start of your game first, rather than focusing on the most important and critical parts and then building the rest of the game around those.

No making revisions to improve the story, no making technical changes that improve performance, no iterating on or improving game mechanics.

It would be retarded to make a video game that way, but people in the threads will bitch and moan if ever their precious saves break or content is added to or changed from earlier parts of the game. Anything that would prevent them from just immediately going through the most recent content each and every release.

So we get a lot of games that are very inferior to what they could be, and most of them wind up being basically just visual novels even if that wasn't what the game dev was going for.