Recommending Story-first games

[yossa999]

Thank you bro, I have played these 3 games actually. Is there any other games if possible that u can mention?

Looks like you cherry-picked the best ones I can come up with. That's the problem with recommendations You don't know how familiar a person is with AVNs. If you're just starting the mature and popular games would be a first-choice. Otherwise you should look from something relatively new.

Whatever, have you played this?

https://f95zone.to/threads/artemis-v0-5-1-digi-b.77680/
One of the main girls is you childhood friends, although the whole story isn't about it. But it's a good story. But porny

https://f95zone.to/threads/stwa-unbroken-pt-6-stwadev.85108/
Again, the MC knows one of the main girls from the childhood. Very interesting written story and the game contains one of the best redhead characters I've seen so far

https://f95zone.to/threads/after-that-night-ch-7-xinkala.128353/
I wouldn't recommend this game in this thread, but it reminds me of Getting Intimate in some ways, so you can probably give it a try.

 

[jufot]

Fallen's new update is out. It's a short one, but still lovely. The game works best when you 1) play without the incest and 2) let Lola's personality shine unhindered. That means not getting in her way when she manipulates other men with crude sexuality (so don't try to be macho) and playing along when she is seemingly crazy but actually looking for affection.

Shards of the Past also has a new chapter. I've been looking forward to this for a while. We learn that Valdrid has no memories of his time before meeting Quinara. I imagine this is narrative groundwork for a future Chosen One plot. Maybe he is some long-lost royalty? The dream sequence that night at the farm certainly suggests it.

I loved the side story with Maggie and her family. Those events are the direct consequence of the hatred perpetuated by Branson and his ilk, and this was a good way to show how much collateral damage they leave in their wake. And what an excellent introduction to Viviara

 

[Garou24]

Shards of the Past also has a new chapter. I've been looking forward to this for a while. We learn that Valdrid has no memories of his time before meeting Quinara. I imagine this is narrative groundwork for a future Chosen One plot. Maybe he is some long-lost royalty? The dream sequence that night at the farm certainly suggests it.

I loved the side story with Maggie and her family. Those events are the direct consequence of the hatred perpetuated by Branson and his ilk, and this was a good way to show how much collateral damage they leave in their wake. And what an excellent introduction to Viviara

I am glad you enjoyed it! And just you wait, I might have some surprises for you yet

 

[seek3r]

Shards of the Past also has a new chapter. I've been looking forward to this for a while. We learn that Valdrid has no memories of his time before meeting Quinara. I imagine this is narrative groundwork for a future Chosen One plot. Maybe he is some long-lost royalty? The dream sequence that night at the farm certainly suggests it.

My thoughts during the dream sequence went immediately into the direction of cryogenic storage or some hightech escape system (unknown woman: ...don't leave us...), maybe some bunker like fallout? or maybe more the horizon zero dawn/forbidden west direction? can't wait for the next update!

 

[jufot]

My thoughts during the dream sequence went immediately into the direction of cryogenic storage or some hightech escape system (unknown woman: ...don't leave us...), maybe some bunker like fallout? or maybe more the horizon zero dawn/forbidden west direction? can't wait for the next update!

Ah, I completely forgot about the high tech bits from the last chapter! Maybe Valdrid's from a pre-apocalypse group with access to tech and some sort of bunker. Definitely feasible

 

[Jaike]

How do you feel about giving negative reviews on story criteria for games that clearly have a plot, but where the dev obviously gave other stuff like kinks and edgy nonsense more priority than a good plot, good characterisation, or even good spelling and grammar? There's a VN I played a while back and I think it's terrible in a few ways and overrated. It's clear I'm not the audience and the kinks weren't for me, though that wasn't too obvious from the tags, and I don't think low scores are fair just if something has kinks I dislike. But plot and other aspects of writing are like way more fundamental for a VN. I think it's normal that "story fundamentals" have more weight if a game's in a genre where story is important, but should they ever make the difference between 1 and 5 stars?

I guess I'm really asking if I should start giving 1-star reviews. But also how important is story in your ratings, again only for games where this is relevant, and what are your reasons for it?

No I won't name or link the VN.

 

[Dessolos]

I guess I'm really asking if I should start giving 1-star reviews. But also how important is story in your ratings, again only for games where this is relevant, and what are your reasons for it?

Maybe this is just me but it takes alot for me to give a 1 star the lowest ive given is a 2 star. A dev has to show they put in like no effort in the games development for me to give it 1 star. As I know it takes alot to make a game so no matter how terrible at game is to me. So to me doesn't feel right giving 1 star unless the game is beyond terrible or put in little to no effort.

 

[Vasin]

That's an interesting question. I think there's a little bit of confusion in general on what a review is both as a result or a process. For some reason people assume that anything opinion piece is a review when that's not actually the case. The whole point of a review is that it removes as much personal bias as possible.

Sure, you could argue about how much weight different objective criteria should have in overall evaluation but I do think that works have qualities that are separate from their subjective perceptions.

TL; DR My answer to that would be to include your opinions as a sidenote to the actual review part

 

[jufot]

I believe reviews are for the reader, not the writer, so any non-5-star review has a social responsibility to be constructive. That is, if you are not just heaping praise, the onus is on you to explain what you thought was wrong and why. Bonus points if you have ideas on how to improve it.

Generally though, 1-star screeds are usually of the "lol cuck mc" variety, and they are not reviews, just narcisstic rants.

 

[camube]

How do you feel about giving negative reviews on story criteria for games that clearly have a plot, but where the dev obviously gave other stuff like kinks and edgy nonsense more priority than a good plot, good characterisation, or even good spelling and grammar? There's a VN I played a while back and I think it's terrible in a few ways and overrated. It's clear I'm not the audience and the kinks weren't for me, though that wasn't too obvious from the tags, and I don't think low scores are fair just if something has kinks I dislike. But plot and other aspects of writing are like way more fundamental for a VN. I think it's normal that "story fundamentals" have more weight if a game's in a genre where story is important, but should they ever make the difference between 1 and 5 stars?

I guess I'm really asking if I should start giving 1-star reviews. But also how important is story in your ratings, again only for games where this is relevant, and what are your reasons for it?

No I won't name or link the VN.

i sort f95 through ratings so 1 star is too harsh cuz it has the potential to bring down the average.
Negative reviews in itself are fine though.

I'm generalizing here, developers have to choose between two road when making a game, write a game where it's smut-first or write a game where it's story-first. Ultimately, devs need to earn money from their efforts.

My take on this is that reviews should be based on what the game is aiming to be. If it aims to be a smut-first kinda game, then the reviews should be based on that. And vice versa with game that aims to have good story, the reviews are based on the story.

Story is very important in my own personal preference. Especially these days where I don't have as much time to play as I'd like. But if the game doesn't aim to prioritize it's story, instead prioritizing something else, for example Choices for Good Girls Gone Bad, or Smut for Game of Hearts, then both those games doesn't deserve 1-star rating. Negative reviews on the other hand, by all means.

 

[yossa999]

How do you feel about giving negative reviews on story criteria for games that clearly have a plot, but where the dev obviously gave other stuff like kinks and edgy nonsense more priority than a good plot, good characterisation, or even good spelling and grammar? There's a VN I played a while back and I think it's terrible in a few ways and overrated. It's clear I'm not the audience and the kinks weren't for me, though that wasn't too obvious from the tags, and I don't think low scores are fair just if something has kinks I dislike. But plot and other aspects of writing are like way more fundamental for a VN. I think it's normal that "story fundamentals" have more weight if a game's in a genre where story is important, but should they ever make the difference between 1 and 5 stars?

I guess I'm really asking if I should start giving 1-star reviews. But also how important is story in your ratings, again only for games where this is relevant, and what are your reasons for it?

No I won't name or link the VN.

I never write a review unless a game deserves 4-5 stars in my opinion. Why bother, if I don't like the game, ignoring it is always more effective. The "Star Filter" on the downloads page shows games sorted by weighted rating. The fewer reviews, the further the game is from the first page.
I never read or consider 1-star reviews. It's always personal. The author of such review usually feels offended (in most cases it's just intense butthurt) and tries to get revenge. I read positive reviews, but I only consider those that say something specific. Just exclamations like "Cool game, amazing graphics" to be ignored. I believe that if I would want to play a game I should know what people like about it, it's always more informative than long-ass 1 star complaints about how bad game's dev treated some rando and didn't cater their wishes.
If I start a new game and after a few minutes I realize that it has a maximum of 1 star, I simply delete it and ignore its topic. There are a plenty of fish in the sea. I can spend my time much better than fighting with game's dev and the community of people who like their game. And in my experience, even the weirdest games have their fans who're sincerely like it, so why would I ruin their fun with my negativity?

 

[Gothgirlgames]

i sort f95 through ratings so 1 star is too harsh cuz it has the potential to bring down the average.
Negative reviews in itself are fine though.

I'm generalizing here, developers have to choose between two road when making a game, write a game where it's smut-first or write a game where it's story-first. Ultimately, devs need to earn money from their efforts.

My take on this is that reviews should be based on what the game is aiming to be. If it aims to be a smut-first kinda game, then the reviews should be based on that. And vice versa with game that aims to have good story, the reviews are based on the story.

Story is very important in my own personal preference. Especially these days where I don't have as much time to play as I'd like. But if the game doesn't aim to prioritize it's story, instead prioritizing something else, for example Choices for Good Girls Gone Bad, or Smut for Game of Hearts, then both those games doesn't deserve 1-star rating. Negative reviews on the other hand, by all means.

I agree with you really, i wish i had more experience when i started, i tried to smut, and story, snd now i feel like i failed both, it's frustrating.

 

[Tlaero]

I see a lot of reviews that rate various aspects of the game and then give an overall rating based on that. It might be something like:
Graphics: A-
Choices: B
Story: A
Replayability: B
English: A-
Overall 4 stars.

Etc.

I think that if you do that, you're in your right to call out story as you see fit.

But, if you want to help the Dev, the most important thing is thoughtful, constructive feedback. And, realistically, that feedback is better given in the thread where there can be a discussion about it than in a review.

Tlaero

 

[Jonte555]

I agree with you really, i wish i had more experience when i started, i tried to smut, and story, snd now i feel like i failed both, it's frustrating.

Your game is great just focus on improving story going foward

 

[camube]

I agree with you really, i wish i had more experience when i started, i tried to smut, and story, snd now i feel like i failed both, it's frustrating.

I think the problem with some AVN devs (other than daz render times) is scope creep.
Even DPC, or should i say after Ep 9 and 10, particularly DPC. Scope creep makes development time longer than it already is also due to devs not being able to make a living from this.

As long as you don't fall into the trap of scope creep, whether or not you want to revisit and retouch early chapters (Arson Betrayal, No Such Luck, and Our Red String do that) or finish one game, build your reputation as dev that is able to complete a game, and make another one is up to you.

Don't think too much about sunk cost. The past is the past but you can still decide what you want to do for the future.

 

[Gothgirlgames]

I think the problem with some AVN devs (other than daz render times) is scope creep.
Even DPC, or should i say after Ep 9 and 10, particularly DPC. Scope creep makes development time longer than it already is also due to devs not being able to make a living from this.

As long as you don't fall into the trap of scope creep, whether or not you want to revisit and retouch early chapters (Arson Betrayal, No Such Luck, and Our Red String do that) or finish one game, build your reputation as dev that is able to complete a game, and make another one is up to you.

Don't think too much about sunk cost. The past is the past but you can still decide what you want to do for the future.

At least it's something i don't suffer with.

i'm a REAL pragmatic person i like to plan everything beforehand.

so i planned for 3 chapers, the ammount of scenes bettwen the chapters, and a careful use of flags to make sure the story development make sense while still giving the player the option what to do first.

 

[_SomeOneElse_]

Hallo jufot

I think the following games could match your criteria of the first post:

- The Survival of Sarah Rose is a fantasy/medieval VN about a young princess and severity of the regency with many story branches, decision matters and each of the different routes follow the major plot in the background. I didn't play all of them yet (and might not at all like the slave route), but the warrior / sorceress / queen paths should fit your requirements. As far as I remember, it is possible for her to have one or multiple partner (men and women) based on the players decisions (might be important for some of the folks here).

- Frostshade is a VN about a assassin/reaper (somewhat a john wick style) and the demons of the past (nothing precise is known yet), the 3th update is out (4th for patreons) and only story and character building for now ... could be a good fit.

- Instinct Unleashed is a VN about a futa bartender (at least that's how the story starts) with a troubled past. In contrast to many other games of the futaverse this one focus on story build and characters. She is dominant but considers her actions (used as opt-out point in the vn) and doesn't force anyone into anything or act without consent.

 

[Jonte555]

Iam not gay but the gay game straight by aaryn changed my perspective since I hate gay games but this one has great story which was a surprise and can work without sexual content,the connection btwn main characters was great, can't wait for updates,it is deserving of it's 4.9 rating,mind....blown

 

[jufot]

I'm back with two more recommendations.

Fairwood Retreat 87 is a 1980s lesbian summer camp slasher. There is no harem and - unlike most FMC games - no sexual violence, but it'll apparently be a gruesome horror show with plenty of dark and disturbing situations. I'm a big fan of campy horror and this game is looking very promising. The dev is very active and appreciative, so go over to the game thread and say hello.

The Silver Lining is the story of Mila and her Eastern European family of refugees settling in the United States in the 1940s. Mila works as a secretary to Frank, her father's boss. He's a shady character and just the right amount of charming. We get hints that Frank is involved in some mob stuff brewing in the background. There is also Juliette, an artist who is on the run from her husband. She's Mila's teacher, friend, and potentially something more.

Getting involved with Frank's scheme brings the mob stuff to the forefront and opens up a relationship with Tommy, Frank's 'associate'. On the other hand, you can stay clear of all that and go for a deeper connection with Juliette, which I found a lot more rewarding.

It's a very period appropriate and atmospheric game with gorgeous hand-drawn art. Very unique among AVNs and definitely worth checking out. If you are not convinced, read Éama's review first

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FR87 is too early in development to be sure, but The Silver Lining has been around for a while so off to the list it goes. The OP has been updated.

 

[Vasin]

The Silver Lining is the snip

Funny, I was about to talk about that one, but went to sleep and you beat me to it. I just played through the game in it's entirety and I do think it's worth playing on the virtue of setting alone, but I have some slight gripes with it.

Aside from numerous typos, the main issue I have is the arcane nature of some paths, like for now, getting with Tommy requires amazing contortion of figuring out that you have to at least entertain the idea of talking to your boss, which is weird since you can meet him beforehand two times and the game gives you no indication that you are already missing content with him. Granted, it might change, since the plot is still early and it could give you more natural entrances into relationships with different characters at a later date, but for now it could be better

Second is that I feel like there's a big quality difference in progression between lesbian option and 2 straight options. I suppose that's fine since that's what most people on this site will go for, oh well. It's not that they're written worse, they're fine, but it brings me to my next gripe and it's that I don't particularly like any of the characters. Like, I don't hate them, but I don't care about any of them much at all. My favourite one so far is the mother, honestly, (I can see the reason some people are requesting incest in the thread, lmao) and the storyline I'm the most invested in is figuring out what's going on at the butcher shop.

And the final issue is absolutely glacial pace of development. The game has possibly the best setup for writing stuff quickly, with preset backgrounds and character sprites but it's still at roughly 30 minutes of content after a year of development. It gives me impression of constantly dangling at the precipice of abandonment.