Realistic Incest Plots

[Joshua Tree]

I also think, when it comes to NTR, there is some difference between games and mangas or animes. Movies and books are far less immersive than games, after all there is no "I" in books and movies, while in games the player often more strongly identifies with his character. So, while NTR in movies may also appael to sadists who like to see someone suffer, in games masochism is a requirement to enjoy NTR - and NTR in games is certainly even more disturbing to an average person than in movies. Personally though I wouldn't let either an NTR movie nor an NTR game anywhere near my harddisk.

I still find it interesting, that this is the one kind of fetish that is so universally reviled. After all, this is a forum about games that focus on blackmailing your mother into sexual submission, building a harem of slaves, sex with wild furry creatures or tentacles and other stuff most people would consider utterly weird perversions. So, while I certainly cannot understand why somebody would enjoy NTR, I also think, those few people who do deserve some more tolerance.

I beg to differ. Lets take a easy example: Lord of the rings. If you read the books, it was your own imagination and fantasy that helped you along on the journey. Now later when the movies came out, not the same right? Even the movies was good at some extent. Books is as immersive as your own imagination and fantasy bring you. Then again books seems to be a thing of the past in this day and age...

as for the whole NTR thing, everyone have their own fetish's and things they get their jollies off too. What I really hate is when people start impose their own fetish onto others, or try to get the narrative in games etc changed to fit their own desire. Rather than just find a game that already does. I believe creators of games, (or whatever else), make the best results when they create what they set out to do (even it would pitch you up against someone like Eric in BB, as if you don't like it find something else to play).

Why people/Players object to the whole NTR thing is rather easy imho. Even maybe a bad example, imagine being in love with someone (or got strong feelings for) the person already got someone else, and you watch them on a daily basis express those feelings for each other.

If you look at a incest story/theme. Take a character that got strong feelings for his mother as example, and then there is already a father in the picture. The characters desire/lust or whatever in regard of his mother, and the likelyhood of any will come to happen is next to none... unless... The dad character get outplayed/alienated and you create such a divide between the father and mother, so the mother start lean on you. So you end up break something down to rebuild on. The end result wouldn't be the great "true" romance the reader/player set out to achieve but it would be what seems possible if NTR is a part of the narrative. Now, transfer such a story into like a game, would just end up a game not many would play due to the "show me the boobs already, and NOT ENOUGH BOOBS!!". Harem games just make for bad incest games imho. To many characters water down the story. Restrict it to the important characters, and even the chance of you as the character in the story have siblings, you wouldn't necessary want to bone them as well if you got a desire for the mom character. It would be more valid that you would get them removed as obstacles to achieve your goal. (and in the chance the sibling been a brother, you most likely wouldn't want to share...).

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[Ataios]

I beg to differ. Lets take a easy example: Lord of the rings. If you read the books, it was your own imagination and fantasy that helped you along on the journey. Now later when the movies came out, not the same right? Even the movies was good at some extent. Books is as immersive as your own imagination and fantasy bring you. Then again books seems to be a thing of the past in this day and age...

as for the whole NTR thing, everyone have their own fetish's and things they get their jollies off too. What I really hate is when people start impose their own fetish onto others, or try to get the narrative in games etc changed to fit their own desire. Rather than just find a game that already does. I believe creators of games, (or whatever else), make the best results when they create what they set out to do (even it would pitch you up against someone like Eric in BB, as if you don't like it find something else to play).

Why people/Players object to the whole NTR thing is rather easy imho. Even maybe a bad example, imagine being in love with someone (or got strong feelings for) the person already got someone else, and you watch them on a daily basis express those feelings for each other.

If you look at a incest story/theme. Take a character that got strong feelings for his mother as example, and then there is already a father in the picture. The characters desire/lust or whatever in regard of his mother, and the likelyhood of any will come to happen is next to none... unless... The dad character get outplayed/alienated and you create such a divide between the father and mother, so the mother start lean on you. So you end up break something down to rebuild on. The end result wouldn't be the great "true" romance the reader/player set out to achieve but it would be what seems possible if NTR is a part of the narrative. Now, transfer such a story into like a game, would just end up a game not many would play due to the "show me the boobs already, and NOT ENOUGH BOOBS!!". Harem games just make for bad incest games imho. To many characters water down the story. Restrict it to the important characters, and even the chance of you as the character in the story have siblings, you wouldn't necessary want to bone them as well if you got a desire for the mom character. It would be more valid that you would get them removed as obstacles to achieve your goal. (and in the chance the sibling been a brother, you most likely wouldn't want to share...).

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I completely get why people hate NTR games, I hate them too for sure. I only don't find it good to hate PEOPLE who like NTR games. I wouldn't play an NTR game under any circumstances and I puke at the thought of NTR. But I wouldn't call the people who do like it for some reason I cannot think of, whimps, cucks or beta males either. And yet a lot of people do. On the other hand: Would I be pissed at a developer who included NTR without giving a warning in the description: Hell yes, I would!

 

[pystudios]

I completely get why people hate NTR games, I hate them too for sure. I only don't find it good to hate PEOPLE who like NTR games. I wouldn't play an NTR game under any circumstances and I puke at the thought of NTR. But I wouldn't call the people who do like it for some reason I cannot think of, whimps, cucks or beta males either. And yet a lot of people do. On the other hand: Would I be pissed at a developer who included NTR without giving a warning in the description: Hell yes, I would!

And that's why those games are not in the popular games section and never will be.

 

[Benn Swagger]

Realistic real life incest usually came with madness and force sex. Real incest never come from sane person, there always an ugly story behind it. If it make into the games, personally I think I'm gonna hate it. I do once think like OP before that must make something "realistic", but it can't.

In real world, the more you closer to your family member, it was to bonded the family ties and never ever think to become a sexual thinking. To defend them and secure their future. To think them to be a sexual objectification is against the thinking of protecting your family.

So there's never will be "realistic" incest story in my book, unless it based on in real life madness story. Such as hidden underground room, father put his own daughter as his own sex slave and locked her for years. Which probably I don't like those kind of story.

What can be re-establish were more complex motive of 2 or more family members corrupted into incest life. Not just simply see daddy or son's big cock and mother/daughter/sister became auto slut and into incest.

 

[Ataios]

In a typical family in the 21st century, incest is certainly extremely unlikely to happen without an ugly story behind it. But I still think there are some possible realistic incest plots without such an back story.

For those who don't know, they are related, a realistic incest plot without an ugly story may still be possible. Sperm donations, swinger, orgies, adoptions, there are plenty of reasons for poeple not to know who there relatives are. A half-brother and half-sister originting from the same sperm donation could easily fall in love without any ugly back story. Of course in such a story, the player knows more than his character.

As it was in Ancient Egypt, sibling marriage was normal for the Pharao (to keep the divine blood pure), so it was neither especially good or evil, just normal customs nobody questioned.

Relations between cousins are also common in some cultures without being seen as mad or evil, even to this day.

 

[Benn Swagger]

... sperm donation ... & ancient egypt ...

This example of ancient egypt is realistic, but it's not a normal or natural, it still came from madness reason.

The sperm things ... probably acceptable, it is an interesting idea. But, by fact it an incest, those situation are more the same as meeting a stranger. You're not really emotionally related.

An Incest theme that you living with your family since day 1 and corrupting them are far more enjoyable than sperm donation scenario. imo.

 

[215303j]

For those who don't know, they are related, a realistic incest plot without an ugly story may still be possible. Sperm donations, swinger, orgies, adoptions, there are plenty of reasons for poeple not to know who there relatives are. A half-brother and half-sister originting from the same sperm donation could easily fall in love without any ugly back story. Of course in such a story, the player knows more than his character.

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This story is about a guy who gets a call from his ex, who tells him he may have a daughter somewhere. The MC then sets out to meet her. You can chose if you want to know if it's your daughter or not, and also if it is actually your daughter or not. And then you can chose how to treat the girl once you meet her.

I think that this is one of the most plausible incest stories at the moment.

 

[Zippity]

It's currently the most popular genre, but it seems many writers just don't know how to write it. With the exception of some rare examples, they all involve the same unrealistic plot of two people eventually jumping each other upon discovering the other had interesting body parts.

After playing so many of these games, what is the F95zone community's idea of a realistic plot?

FYI: I'm thinking of developing a game, but always hit that wall where I yell at myself; "even I don't believe this shit can happen!"

I firmly believe the only reason for the popularity is due to the number of money grabbers using patron payment system websites... It began with a small number of big hitters, which then created a gold rush type mentality with a lot of newer developers wanting to cash in on what appeared to be a cash cow... The market is now flooded with mostly half-ass visual novels/games trying to incorporate that fetish, mostly trying to make a quick buck and not make anything unique and creative... There are so many other fetishes and/or even normal sex concepts that are worthy of being made into great works of art beyond this recent phenomenon... Look back a couple years, and you'll find this wasn't being so focused on, until the patron sites started becoming popular due to those very few big winners that included that fetish prior to the gold rush... Eventually the market will become so flooded to the brim with this fetish as the driving force in these things that it'll either destroy the industry over all, die out due to oversaturation, something new will come along, and/or developers will finally get bored of it and start thinking outside the box...

As far as trying to base it on reality... The only time periods where it was a common practice without the taboo it has in modern society was in histories past... That would most likely be a time frame to place it more in reality... Nowadays it appears mostly when someone is forced into it during their early years either unwillingly or unknowingly, way more then it being something openly consented to by the larger whole... Which is why it is taboo and not something that regularly occurs... That is the reality of today...

 

[Joshua Tree]

I firmly believe the only reason for the popularity is due to the number of money grabbers using patron payment system websites... It began with a small number of big hitters, which then created a gold rush type mentality with a lot of newer developers wanting to cash in on what appeared to be a cash cow... The market is now flooded with mostly half-ass visual novels/games trying to incorporate that fetish, mostly trying to make a quick buck and not make anything unique and creative... There are so many other fetishes and/or even normal sex concepts that are worthy of being made into great works of art beyond this recent phenomenon... Look back a couple years, and you'll find this wasn't being so focused on, until the patron sites started becoming popular due to those very few big winners that included that fetish prior to the gold rush... Eventually the market will become so flooded to the brim with this fetish as the driving force in these things that it'll either destroy the industry over all, die out due to oversaturation, something new will come along, and/or developers will finally get bored of it and start thinking outside the box...

As far as trying to base it on reality... The only time periods where it was a common practice without the taboo it has in modern society was in histories past... That would most likely be a time frame to place it more in reality... Nowadays it appears mostly when someone is forced into it during their early years either unwillingly or unknowingly, way more then it being something openly consented to by the larger whole... Which is why it is taboo and not something that regularly occurs... That is the reality of today...

I don't know. We as humans develop fetish's and desires rather from a young age without it need to be a huge influence from media, games and so forth. The whole concept of taboo, incest themes, young vs milfs, and so forth I came across long before any games, or influenced by movies or any visuals. Actually it dates back to a vacation I had in my mid teens, where we rented a cabin, and I found some "adult themed" pocket books on a bookshelf that probably dated back to the late 70's. It became a taboo that did excite me, but not something I would act out on or desired to pursue.

You would be surprised what you can find of books at the library with such themes though. Then fast forward a few years, internet start to become somewhat of a thing, groups on usenet, communities and so forth, and you start find your fetish might not be so uncommon.

The first adult games I played on any computer was like muds, and like "Larry laffer in the land of lounge lizards", like the first one with a text input, not the later with point and click. As for people being drawn towards incest themed games nowadays, I don't really see that as the games create the fetish, because the fetish need to already be there. You can flood the market with books, movies, games whatever that feed the fetish, you can call it saturated, but its not like that will kill the fetish people have. If any it would or at least should, make the market focus on make better products to feed the fetish people have to compete over the consumers. And this something that would apply for any fetish though. If you interested in bbw's, wetsex, bdsm, lesbian, whatever.

As for Patreon, there is a lot of games and other work of arts? That buy into other fetish's than just incest ones, and who have their own followers. If you go to a site such as

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you see a lot of diversity. Heck you can see that on this site as well. Calling creators on Patreon for money grabbers because they want to feed the fetish of consumers doesn't sound right. People in general is picky, and wouldn't just buy into anything just because of their fetish if the product itself is crap. It should more create a competition in create the best product to attract the consumer (and their money).

You can debate the "porn" market today in general is over saturated. And yeah imho it is, big time. The porn industris evolution lead to keep serve the consumers more and more freaky shit. The consumer end up become more and more immune to what keep shock them. But this saturation is also what created more niche markets within the porn industry to serve peoples fetish's. Still people doesn't buy into anything just because it try to serve their fetish if its crap to start with, and that applies for any media.

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[pystudios]

...So there's never will be "realistic" incest story in my book, unless it based on in real life madness story....

You didn't read the news articles I posted did you? Your statement is false as the articles I posted proves. And as the laws that are changing decriminalizing sibling incest also proves.

 

[pystudios]

I firmly believe the only reason for the popularity is due to the number of money grabbers using patron payment system websites......

It's not just in the adult gaming world that incest is popular, it's also TV shows, e.g. Game of Thrones, Bates Motel, Movies, e.g. Flowers in the Attic, The Cement Garden, Caligula, Dogtooth, etc...

 

[Joshua Tree]

You didn't read the news articles I posted did you? Your statement is false as the articles I posted proves. And as the laws that are changing decriminalizing sibling incest also proves.

If you look for it, you will find more about it, just people living in such a relationship won't openly go and tell their neighbors or even friends. Much due to the taboo it carries and how judgmental society is. Internet made the world a much smaller place, search and you will find (just about anything).

 

[pystudios]

If you look for it, you will find more about it, just people living in such a relationship won't openly go and tell their neighbors or even friends. Much due to the taboo it carries and how judgmental society is. Internet made the world a much smaller place, search and you will find (just about anything).

You don't have to LOOK for it, it's in the news like the couple who sued in the German courts for their rights and won. Read up I posted the articles.

 

[Joshua Tree]

You don't have to LOOK for it, it's in the news like the couple who sued in the German courts for their rights and won. Read up I posted the articles.

I know but if you really wanted to find out more about the subject, there is plenty. As with everything else, just because something is not commonly in the open, it doesn't mean it doesn't happen or exist. So people get into a "do people do that?" state of mind.

 

[pystudios]

I know but if you really wanted to find out more about the subject, there is plenty. As with everything else, just because something is not commonly in the open, it doesn't mean it doesn't happen or exist. So people get into a "do people do that?" state of mind.

Sure we do, all animals do, it's not only human nature but all nature! The son of a silver-back will get ran off when he becomes a mature enough black-back gorilla but once becoming a silver-back himself may challenge his father for control of the colony which would include his siblings, cousins, aunts and even mother. It's non-realistic to believe it doesn't exist in real life in the animal kingdom or the human race. Cleopatra was one of the most inbred people of all times, more so than Darycarus on Game of Thrones whose parents were siblings and grandparents were siblings and had not her father, the mad king, her oldest brother been killed and her and her other brother exiled she would have married her oldest brother maybe having kids then maybe having offspring more inbred than Cleopatra. lol

Maybe a chance though as she's in love with her nephew the king of the north Jon Snow and they share 44% of DNA so they are closer to being siblings than aunt and nephew. I know GoT is in the last season this year but I hear they are working on 4 spin-offs.

 

[Joshua Tree]

Sure we do, all animals do, it's not only human nature but all nature! The son of a silver-back will get ran off when he becomes a mature enough black-back gorilla but once becoming a silver-back himself may challenge his father for control of the colony which would include his siblings, cousins, aunts and even mother. It's non-realistic to believe it doesn't exist in real life in the animal kingdom or the human race. Cleopatra was one of the most inbred people of all times, more so than Darycarus on Game of Thrones whose parents were siblings and grandparents were siblings and had not her father, the mad king, her oldest brother been killed and her and her other brother exiled she would have married her oldest brother maybe having kids then maybe having offspring more inbred than Cleopatra. lol

Maybe a chance though as she's in love with her nephew the king of the north Jon Snow and they share 44% of DNA so they are closer to being siblings than aunt and nephew. I know GoT is in the last season this year but I hear they are working on 4 spin-offs.

Well if you look at GOT, then I think the relation between Cersei and Jamie Lannister portray incest more based on feelings perhaps, being involved since childhood and the feelings for each other. It is just what it is. As with Egypt, Celopatra etc, it was more about keep the bloodline pure, to much of that and its like someone took a piss in the gene pool though.

If you look at smaller places in the world, more isolated. or just remote. You would find the local inhabitation to share a lot more gene material, because of things the way they are. Not necessary closest family, but cousins wouldn't be to strange. To many generations of such would been ... not good either. but hey.

 

[pystudios]

Well if you look at GOT, then I think the relation between Cersei and Jamie Lannister portray incest more based on feelings perhaps, being involved since childhood and the feelings for each other. It is just what it is. As with Egypt, Celopatra etc, it was more about keep the bloodline pure, to much of that and its like someone took a piss in the gene pool though.

If you look at smaller places in the world, more isolated. or just remote. You would find the local inhabitation to share a lot more gene material, because of things the way they are. Not necessary closest family, but cousins wouldn't be to strange. To many generations of such would been ... not good either. but hey.

It was keeping the bloodline pure with the Targaryens as well and what gave them the power over the dragons and the silver hair (In the books) a creamy blonde hair on the TV show except for Jon Snow. I think about 70,000 years ago the human race was almost extinct at around only 2000 so we're all a bit inbred.

 

[Ataios]

It was keeping the bloodline pure with the Targaryens as well and what gave them the power over the dragons and the silver hair (In the books) a creamy blonde hair on the TV show except for Jon Snow. I think about 70,000 years ago the human race was almost extinct at around only 2000 so we're all a bit inbred.

Targaryen incest was quite similar to ancient Egyptian incest with the idea of keeping the divine blood pure. Lannister incest is in context more similar to the way incest is seen now.

With Targaryen or Pharaonic incest there is just one problem, when it comes to porn games: While being realistic or plausible in the context it is far lass exciting without the taboo attached to it. It's basically the characters doing their duty in an arranged marriage rather than breaking one of the greatest taboos imaginable.

So even in the context of a Game of Thrones style fantasy setting, people would most likely rather play the sinister warlock, who uses his power to turn his mother into his sex slave than the dutyful prince who marries his sister, as tradition demands.

 

[Benn Swagger]

You didn't read the news articles I posted did you? Your statement is false as the articles I posted proves. And as the laws that are changing decriminalizing sibling incest also proves.

That's really interesting real life story. I've played some games that already use this real life scenario.

Now, what still lacked on real life incest story was 2 (or more) family member who got fall in love with the specification they are living together since beginning. How can the character produce an interesting motive from a normal family point of view, to became attracted and/or corrupting one to another. (2nd paragraph)

I do read some story from a UK family (Welsh?) that the mother did marry her own adopted boy. The family was adopted an Eastern Europe boy who victim of civil war and lose his entire family, in his 14years old. Long story short, the childless parents are divorced, the boy stay with his foster mother. Long story short, they fall in love and married after the boy reach 19 or 21 while the mother on her mid 30's, corrected me if I'm wrong if far from the story if you find it. The Father was very broken-hearted when hear of the news and blame her ex-wife as corrupting their adopted kid. In couple years, the new wed couple did have baby and it's appears the late Daddy were barren.

The real life story you gave example of, it's like 2 stranger that appear to have blood connection. In body they are family, but in mind, they are stranger. The story that I gave is not really complex, since they're not adopted the kid from baby and the mother still quite young when the boy reach adulthood.

It's not debunking, but we need a "breakthrough" story line and create in polished quality of the thing that I mention in the 2nd paragraph.

 

[pystudios]

That's really interesting real life story....Now, what still lacked on real life incest story...

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