Patreon Is Hardening Their 'Adult Content' Guidelines. Discussion Thread
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This entire patreon situation is ridiculous. This is the fictional world, folks. We shouldn't be policing the fictional world. Game of Thrones has incest and is massively popular. Why should porn games be held to such standards?
- Sep 5, 2017
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You're preaching to the choir. Unfortunately, too many people are not able or don't want to see that fiction and reality are two completely distinct words, they are on the quest to "protect morals", or whatever. And some of them happen to be in positions where they can force their views on others. It's probably not even Patreon's own idea, first suspect is Paypal and who knows if that's all.
- Jul 8, 2018
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It really was only a matter of time, like it or don't like it, we are living in a world were bad People do not only dream about some actions they like to do, but actually doing these things, so of course to Protect them self from accusations of supporting these people the Website owners "have to ban" certain content or there will be someone blaming them.
(For examples look at the Gaming Industry and acts of Violence at School.)
I don't say that it is the right way, but it is the way it is. However I am more concerned about the following sentence:
"We also do not allow other fringe sexual fetish content, such as incest, necrophilia, or fetish content that is hard to distinguish from non-consensual sex."
The Vague description there about Fetish content that is hard to distinguish from non-consensual sex means a lot of different thematic can be banned. Parts of BDSM and Mind Control for example.
In my Opinion its a bad Sign that they are not more specific and leave open the Option to Bann all non-consensual sex. That would hit a lot of Creators on Peatron and shows how much the society as a hole is backsliding into "Do not Talk about Sex".
Well that's only my Opinion and you are of course free to disagree.
best regards
Kai
(For examples look at the Gaming Industry and acts of Violence at School.)
I don't say that it is the right way, but it is the way it is. However I am more concerned about the following sentence:
"We also do not allow other fringe sexual fetish content, such as incest, necrophilia, or fetish content that is hard to distinguish from non-consensual sex."
The Vague description there about Fetish content that is hard to distinguish from non-consensual sex means a lot of different thematic can be banned. Parts of BDSM and Mind Control for example.
In my Opinion its a bad Sign that they are not more specific and leave open the Option to Bann all non-consensual sex. That would hit a lot of Creators on Peatron and shows how much the society as a hole is backsliding into "Do not Talk about Sex".
Well that's only my Opinion and you are of course free to disagree.
best regards
Kai
- May 23, 2017
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My counter point to this is that we shouldn't be supporting this way of thinking and accepting it as the way it is. Think of the countless movies, tv shows, and books that exist. Think of how many "troubling" topics are conveyed in these things. The human imagination is boundless and not always a nice place but that is what makes it great. These limits are ridiculous and there isn't any data supporting that their suppression is making the world a better place. We need people that stand up to the outrage mob, not appease them.
- Jul 8, 2018
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I agree with you and what I mean, and perhaps what did not come out the right way (English is not my first language
) is simple the fact that we will not achieve anything by trying to convince peatron to change its stand.We have to try to broaden the mind and perspective of the society as a hole only when all people are ready to accept and understand that sexual dreams and needs are a big factor in human behaviour and relationships, only then will the society as a hole start to talk about it and "hopefully" take on a more relaxed stance and "privat" websites like peatron will not have to fear a mob with torches and pitchforks at their door for letting these contents pass on their website.
But of course that's only my two cents on that topic.
We seem to be mostly on the same page although I do think trying to convince private companies isn't a lost cause. But if they aren't willing to listen then competition is the only way to make the change that we want to see. I'm hopeful for the future and I'm going to keep fighting for things to be better.I agree with you and what I mean, and perhaps what did not come out the right way (English is not my first language
We have to try to broaden the mind and perspective of the society as a hole only when all people are ready to accept and understand that sexual dreams and needs are a big factor in human behaviour and relationships, only then will the society as a hole start to talk about it and "hopefully" take on a more relaxed stance and "privat" websites like peatron will not have to fear a mob with torches and pitchforks at their door for letting these contents pass on their website.
But of course that's only my two cents on that topic.
- Jul 8, 2018
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Me two that's we I try to talk about sex with all women I randomly meat.....you know to broaden the perspective
- Jul 30, 2017
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I'm not sure if
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was shared already. We knew that the payment clusterfuck of last month was instigated by Patreon switching payment processors, the news I get from this article is that they only moved adult content to another payment processor. This quote is telling:I'm not sure what's happening behind the scenes, but it seems there's a lot of outside pressure to warrant this move. Typical that it fucked over all those creators last month, which will probably be the case this month as well.
Here's what gets me. Sex/porn is probably the most natural human expression one can do yet its taboo.
- Dec 31, 2017
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It depends how you interpret the information that we have been provided. You COULD interpret this to mean that patreon has realised that purging adult creators is a very short sighted and self destructive thing to do and have moved adult creators to a different payment processor so that they aren't under so much pressure to do it. Maybe that is overly optimistic but having recently dealt with their marketing director about an issue i had with their T&S team I know that there are still some "good guys" at Patreon.
- May 24, 2017
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This tells me that while it appears they are hoping to not be forced to further crack down on adult content, it's very clear that they won't be rolling back their stricter guidelines that continue to be a pain in the ass. In reality, this move was most likely done to protect "sex workers" who, due to new US laws, have been cracked down harder on. People who were toeing the line between being cam girls and artists, essentially. Unless PayPal/Braintree pulled out of their deal with them, there was no other reason to prompt this change.
- May 24, 2017
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Yes, but nothing in their comment singled us or anyone else out, so extrapolating, what's changed? Either PayPal/Braintree pulled out of their deal, possible, or, it's in response to the relatively new laws that they made this change. Remember, they didn't change their terms of service to be more accommodating, and they're still auditing.
After all of the High-Risk merchant service providers, I've talked to part of the nature of the Visa and Mastercards issue with adult content is there is still a lot of stolen credit cards used in adult products and people trying to call there bank to deny they bought something adult in nature. Also, there are limits on what type of content. seems the only things banned completely by even there high-risk terms are Beastailty, Violence/Rape and of course any type of CP even in fiction. But other than that everything else seems ok
I find that a bit weird in when in the Japanese market there's no big issue with selling stuff with rape or even bestiality, and drawn loli isn't, generally speaking, considered CP, and the big platforms in Japan still use Visa just fine. Visa is a single company right? Or is there something like a Visa of Japan subsidiary that allows different stuff?
Japan has a few different card providers like JCB and also Visa and Mastercard but there policy is a bit different there as in Japan Those types of goods are considered normal. The restrictions here in the US and Europe are kind of driven still by religious standards of Morality and not wanting to normalize Adult content like the Japanese have