RPGM Abandoned Of Lust and Pride [v0.55] [Young Griff Games]

[BlasKyau]

I will be honest. I lean more on the "Not MC dick = NTR" side of the tracks in this debate. If a woman was never available or intended to be available to the MC then it's fine, but forced/unavoaidable scenes (even if skippable) are a pass to me. However, the review bombing and harassment is unacceptable and petty, especially over a game that was never financially backed by almost all of the crowd.

I tried this game out, liked the story and mechanics, didn't like the bit I considered NTR but played the build to that point. It was a finely crafted game and I feel bad for fans who can stomach things that I just am not a fan of because the game was great.

One thing I think a lot of the "No (MC) NTR EVER (Netorase is fine to most I think....)" mobs forget. When you drive out a talented dev and make them quit. Who's to say their next game may have not been even better and free of NTR?

Actually it was enough that Shiva or Sheva (I don't remember what is her name) was an optional LI, at least in my opinion. I never found out if she was.

If the developer originally planned the NTR, and it is made competently, not as a Japanese NTR, and fits the plot of the game, thought out, so that there was motivation to fight for this or that girl, that you know if you make a wrong step, wait for the consequences, it's cool, but not everyone does so.

I would only play the type of game that you indicate if there was a walkthrough, hint system, instructions or whatever that would allow me in a very simple way to avoid the entire NTR.

 

[Young Griff]

My reign of terror has not ended.

Taking a break and recharging my batteries seemed to do the trick, because I'm feeling excited again about OLaP. Even before all the Anti-NTR nonsense, I was feeling pretty burnt out.

Next update will be here in Q1 or Q2 of 2024, and it'll be the 1.0 Beta (The Guide will come out after the Beta's been tested). I'll be posting screenshots and other teasers on my

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. I'm not going back to Patreon because I don't feel like dancing around their guidelines anymore. Just want to focus on making the game.

Also, the ShevaxRapto scene is the same as its original version. You can't stop her, but you don't have to date her either. She can just serve as your blood bag to witness all your heroic deeds (And because she's a slut, she won't throw a fit when you bang other women! Best girl!)

Big thanks to everyone's words of encouragement (and sorry if I scared anyone into thinking I was dead)!

See ya soon with moar game

 

[Dvnasty]

My reign of terror has not ended.

Taking a break and recharging my batteries seemed to do the trick, because I'm feeling excited again about OLaP. Even before all the Anti-NTR nonsense, I was feeling pretty burnt out.

Next update will be here in Q1 or Q2 of 2024, and it'll be the 1.0 Beta (The Guide will come out after the Beta's been tested). I'll be posting screenshots and other teasers on my

You must be registered to see the links

. I'm not going back to Patreon because I don't feel like dancing around their guidelines anymore. Just want to focus on making the game.

Also, the ShevaxRapto scene is the same as its original version. You can't stop her, but you don't have to date her either. She can just serve as your blood bag to witness all your heroic deeds (And because she's a slut, she won't throw a fit when you bang other women! Best girl!)

Big thanks to everyone's words of encouragement (and sorry if I scared anyone into thinking I was dead)!

See ya soon with moar game

welcome back!! and glad u are back!! ~ and the sheva scene actually made sense, because its in the wild, she did what she had to survive, she is that way even before she meet the mc, only butthurt people complain about it, just go with ur vision of the game, its doing great.. there will always be people complaining about incest/harem/virgin/ntr in a game.. they could learn how to make a game and make it themselves.. hater gonna hate

 

[ASLPro3D]

My reign of terror has not ended.

Taking a break and recharging my batteries seemed to do the trick, because I'm feeling excited again about OLaP. Even before all the Anti-NTR nonsense, I was feeling pretty burnt out.

Next update will be here in Q1 or Q2 of 2024, and it'll be the 1.0 Beta (The Guide will come out after the Beta's been tested). I'll be posting screenshots and other teasers on my

You must be registered to see the links

. I'm not going back to Patreon because I don't feel like dancing around their guidelines anymore. Just want to focus on making the game.

Also, the ShevaxRapto scene is the same as its original version. You can't stop her, but you don't have to date her either. She can just serve as your blood bag to witness all your heroic deeds (And because she's a slut, she won't throw a fit when you bang other women! Best girl!)

Big thanks to everyone's words of encouragement (and sorry if I scared anyone into thinking I was dead)!

See ya soon with moar game

We've talked already at length on X, but will say it here.
I've missed you and appreciate what you are doing and look forward to continuing to support you in it. Let's the hater's voice echo in dark silence... they only seek to tear down with their bile and hate, the only answer they deserve is.... silence.
Love you, my brother and will talk with you again soon!!

~Jack

 

[BlasKyau]

Also, the ShevaxRapto scene is the same as its original version. You can't stop her, but you don't have to date her either. She can just serve as your blood bag to witness all your heroic deeds (And because she's a slut, she won't throw a fit when you bang other women! Best girl!)

I hope we are not forced to watch the scene.

In fact, I prefer that the MC don't have a romantic relationship with her or sex scenes with her. The only relationship I want with her is the one strictly necessary to advance the story, and I hope it doesn't include anything sexual between the MC and her. She certainly isn't going to complain about the MC having a relationship with other girls because if it's up to me, she and the MC are going to be friends without right of sex at most.

 

[maroder]

I hope we are not forced to watch the scene.

In fact, I prefer that the MC don't have a romantic relationship with her or sex scenes with her. The only relationship I want with her is the one strictly necessary to advance the story, and I hope it doesn't include anything sexual between the MC and her. She certainly isn't going to complain about the MC having a relationship with other girls because if it's up to me, she and the MC are going to be friends without right of sex at most.

i think you probably wont have any problem's if these are your conditions.

 

[ASLPro3D]

I hope we are not forced to watch the scene.

In fact, I prefer that the MC don't have a romantic relationship with her or sex scenes with her. The only relationship I want with her is the one strictly necessary to advance the story, and I hope it doesn't include anything sexual between the MC and her. She certainly isn't going to complain about the MC having a relationship with other girls because if it's up to me, she and the MC are going to be friends without right of sex at most.

I don't see him really changing the system as he's been doing it. If he does, who am I to complain.
I think it is going to be HIS game and it will be up to everyone if they want to play it or not.
As it stands, I will.
No questions asked.
I want to see his story, I don't care if every LI is gangbanged in it by bad guys, if that is what he wants to write to tell his story in the world he is building, it is up to him (not saying that is what he plans, just as an example)... but all of you will have a choice if you want to play it or not.

 

[BlasKyau]

I don't see him really changing the system as he's been doing it. If he does, who am I to complain.
I think it is going to be HIS game and it will be up to everyone if they want to play it or not.
As it stands, I will.
No questions asked.

The question is, can what I have said be done or not? That the system doesn't change is very good, I respect it and I think it is great, but by itself I don't know if what I have said is included in the system.

I want to see his story, I don't care if every LI is gangbanged in it by bad guys, if that is what he wants to write to tell his story in the world he is building, it is up to him (not saying that is what he plans, just as an example)... but all of you will have a choice if you want to play it or not.

Personally, if the story went the way you said (which apparently isn't the case, as you also said) I honestly wouldn't play the game (there would be a slim chance if I could avoid all the LIs and not have sex scenes with them, no romance, and of course if I could avoid watching all the sex scenes that don't include the MC, that is, if I could play the game as if it weren't a porn game at all and still have a good ending)

i think you probably wont have any problem's if these are your conditions.

I guess I'll possibly try it in the future, but I have other games on the list where the MC is the only one who has sex with the LIs, and I'm certainly going to prioritize them. The story is less important than it being a harem game and the MC being the only one who has sex with the LIs.

 

[6ambino]

If this was a simple harem game, I wouldn't spare it a glance.
Here, the dev clearly prioritize story where the MC has his ups and downs, it is the beginning. You are forced to take a loss. You can't avoid it. You can only strive for a bigger payoff at the end.
This is a porn game where others will have sex, and some you are forced to watch to get that powerless feeling.
From how the general plot looks like, not only Sheva, but also the sister doesn't look to be in a safe situation.

I liked the weretiger sex scenes. At least make it optional to watch, like it was before.

 

[ASLPro3D]

The question is, can what I have said be done or not? That the system doesn't change is very good, I respect it and I think it is great, but by itself I don't know if what I have said is included in the system.

From a programing aspect, anything can be done if you know what you are doing and the system's framework can handle it... so from a technical aspect, yes.

It is up to the creator to decide if that is something that they want to program in or not.

Personally, if the story went the way you said (which apparently isn't the case, as you also said) I honestly wouldn't play the game (there would be a slim chance if I could avoid all the LIs and not have sex scenes with them, no romance, and of course if I could avoid watching all the sex scenes that don't include the MC, that is, if I could play the game as if it weren't a porn game at all and still have a good ending)

And see herein lies the problem.

A game isn't made specifically for anyone but the creator who creates it and wishes to share it with anyone interested in playing it... or not.

This mentality of telling a creator of a game to craft their heart and soul into something YOU want is bullshit.

No offense to you personally, but why should a creator really change whatever vision they have for their game, throw away valuable resources of time and money to suddenly change their VISION so that YOU'LL play it???

This isn't a damn sandwich shop.

The process of creating a game is first to figure out the story you want to tell and then how you want to represent it, sure we might take feedback and tweak things, but when we decide to craft something we need to balance that feedback against a whole slew of things...

Can it be done?
Should it be done?
Does it change the vision of what I originally have for my game.
Will it screw up the story that I WANT to tell?
Does it make sense to add it?
How much time will it take for me to add it, if I wanted to?
How much money it will cost me, such as: buying assets, extra work in rendering or programming, will it go past the budget I intended to spend on this project and, more importantly, is it going to help my project make more money for all that time or will it just still yield the same amount? (in short: Is doing it going to cover the cost of doing it?)
Last but not least: Is it something I really want to do?

And, finally... again, no offense to you, but why should he really care about what YOU want? Oh, so you'll play it? Why should it matter to him if you do or not?

Let's use Baldur's Gate 3 for an example... some people seriously trashed that game due to certain content that was in it... and, yet, it just won Game of the Year. Those people who screamed and shouted to the heavens that they would never play it didn't change the fact it went on to be successful and so damn successful it pretty much swept all the awards they were nominated for.

A game will sell, even if a creator decides against doing what some people want, demand or ask for.

What reason should a creator decide to do what anyone asks or demands of them... just for a few bucks to be thrown at them?

We are CREATORS not TOPLESS DANCERS!

I guess I'll possibly try it in the future, but I have other games on the list where the MC is the only one who has sex with the LIs, and I'm certainly going to prioritize them. The story is less important than it being a harem game and the MC being the only one who has sex with the LIs.

Again with the mentality that he should make a game so that YOU'LL play it.
Again, no offense, but... WHO THE FUCK CARES IF YOU PLAY IT??
That you might get around to trying it... oh please.
As I said before, if you don't play it... oh well... such is the life. Sun will still rise, the sun will still set and bullshit will still be... bullshit.

I will say to you, exactly what I tell other people about my own games...

Think of the GAME as MY car... I am going to drive that GAME where I intend to drive it and people are welcome to hop aboard, enjoy the ride to where I intended to drive that GAME to... it is SERIOUSLY APPRECIATED if they chip in for gas while WE are heading where I INTEND to go... but... if at some point THEY don't want to go the full distance, THEY don't like the ROUTE that I am taking or THEY don't like how I am driving MY GAME... well, THEY can get out of the car and ride with someone else.

No sweat, it's all cool, take care and hope THEY get where ever it is THEY are looking to go...

BUT... if THEY think you can demand ANYTHING of me while I am driving MY GAME, if they think they can TREATEN me on how to drive MY GAME, they can kindly get the fuck out of MY CAR!

They can and may SUGGEST that I take a different ROUTE, that's cool... but if someone is going to DEMAND, BADGER or THREATEN me to do it, GET OUT and GET LOST... don't need them, they aren't welcomed any longer, I will kick them to the CURB!!

Just because someone gives gas money to help along the journey, or because they are riding in MY car, doesn't suddenly mean that the CAR/GAME is THEIRS for them to start DEMANDING ANYTHING from ME.

I've seen what happens when other creators turned the wheel over to their passengers... it isn't pretty and I am pretty damn sure that the creator NEVER got to the destination that they originally intended!

TLDR: Play the game or not, you can decide if you want to go through the journey, your money to get to that destination is appreciated and you can choose to leave at anytime... or, if you don't like it, leave... it is as simple as that.

 

[BlasKyau]

To be clear, my only question was whether the romance and sex scenes with Sheva could be avoided. Which has already been answered affirmatively by maroder

 

[ASLPro3D]

Can it be done: Yes.
Will it be done: Not Likely.
Should it be done: No... would ruin the story and the whole purpose of the story.

 

[BlasKyau]

Can it be done: Yes.
Will it be done: Not Likely.
Should it be done: No... would ruin the story and the whole purpose of the story.

6ambin , it seems that the Dev has had the same "stupid idea" that I was asking about: There is no obligation to have a romance with her.

So I guess it's best if you both tell him to change it to fit your statement.

PS: It isn't necessary that you respond to the message since I will absolutely not find out.

Also, the ShevaxRapto scene is the same as its original version. You can't stop her, but you don't have to date her either.

The other question is whether I can avoid the sex scenes between the MC and her (if there are any) if I choose not to have them romance each other. I prefer there not to be any or to be able to avoid them, but if they exist and cannot be avoided it isn't something that will prevent me from playing in the future (as long as it is clear that it's casual sex without commitment)

 

[maroder]

The other question is whether I can avoid the sex scenes between the MC and her (if there are any) if I choose not to have them romance each other. I prefer there not to be any or to be able to avoid them, but if they exist and cannot be avoided it isn't something that will prevent me from playing in the future (as long as it is clear that it's casual sex without commitment)

from what i remember most romances are exclusive. you cant date everyone even if you want. there where plans that you could date 2 of them simultaneously but it was never going to be harem.

when i played every content was optional. if character did something that you did not like you could always opt out.

Sheva wants casual sex and no romantic attachments' and you must go out of your way to romance her.
romance with sheva always gave me "i can fix her" feeling. i also think that she has very interesting character arc and problem with making or talking out that sex scene was that it basically changed character or at leas made her arc worse.

 

[BlasKyau]

from what i remember most romances are exclusive. you cant date everyone even if you want. there where plans that you could date 2 of them simultaneously but it was never going to be harem.

when i played every content was optional. if character did something that you did not like you could always opt out.

Sheva wants casual sex and no romantic attachments' and you must go out of your way to romance her.
romance with sheva always gave me "i can fix her" feeling. i also think that she has very interesting character arc and problem with making or talking out that sex scene was that it basically changed character or at leas made her arc worse.

I only talk about avoid the MC's casual sex with her, not the sex scenes she has with other guys, in any case I'm not interested in seeing those other scenes either. In my opinion she can have all the sex she wants with whoever she wants as long as isn't with the MC.

 

[maroder]

she want's casual sex with mc. these is also optional, also if you have sex with her it decreases chances with other love interests.
every relationship in witch your mc engages is optional and is wholly depended on player choices. at least for existing content.

 

[BlasKyau]

she want's casual sex with mc. these is also optional, also if you have sex with her it decreases chances with other love interests.
every relationship in witch your mc engages is optional and is wholly depended on player choices. at least for existing content.

Well, the truth is that I don't understand all the nonsense that those other two guys have written when the answer to my question was affirmative...

 

[maroder]

Well, the truth is that I don't understand all the nonsense that those other two guys have written when the answer to my question was affirmative...

there where some people who wanted game dev to change whole game to suit there preference and they where very annoying and persistent. you most likely are getting lumped with them. and from what i see they are answering as if you are demanding same thing. i don't think there arguments are wrong they just don't apply to you.

 

[ASLPro3D]

As far as I remember, you can't skip the scene of meeting Sheva...

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You can choose who you want to love, but you can't love everyone, as far as it stood, you either picked one or the other two(?)... this may end up being something where you are a King and can have consorts, but you only get one LI as far as I know.

 

[BlasKyau]

there where some people who wanted game dev to change whole game to suit there preference and they where very annoying and persistent. you most likely are getting lumped with them. and from what i see they are answering as if you are demanding same thing. i don't think there arguments are wrong they just don't apply to you.

Actually I think they have the problem.

I don't give a damn about the scene between Sheva and the other guy: I avoid any romantic relationship with her and that's it (and the sexual one too, I don't usually like casual relationships or sex with prostitutes in games). It would bother me a little if I had to watch it, since I'm not interested in voyeur scenes, but if I had no choice, it would be skipped using CTRL and that's it, but as I understand it, you can not watch it (it still happens of course). In my opinion, as long as I don't have to see it and it's not something orchestrated by the MC, Sheva can be raped by a pack of dogs (I like to avoid rapes prepared/performed by the MC)