Ntr OR Harem

[Eagle1900]

if I could choose I would definitely say harem.
I don't despise the other, but I slightly prefer the harem, because I like the fact that I have an infinite number of choices. The NTR is definitely a shadier, darker story and sometimes it doesn't quite captivate me.

 

[E_O_N]

I gonna disagree with you here.

This only applies for each one personal preferences tho. I mean I read many Light/Web Novels and I can say honestly that I can take your 2 sentences and reverse it and we would be wrong and right on the same time lol.
There are many factors which play in what makes Harem/NTR great or bad and I honestly must say is that despite both genres, the harem makes more sense tho its not always means its more realistic. But then again, there is a reason why Harem is more popular or why people tend to escape from realtiy into Harem/NTR stories.


No man they dont have to and in all what I saw, played and read non of them did. Except you count the "drama" which only was there for either "drama" or to bonder their relationship. I mean you yourself say that in a specific genre like NTR you can have something "good", like your Douche becomes good and loves the LI and the LI loves him etc.
But this clearly counts to the whole Harem member logic of them bonding and loving the MC without starting each other backstabbing or killing each other.


I mean, what you count as "magic" for the Harem to work, so the others will say as "magic" so your Wife loves the douche and he her. Its all about the writer preferences and his writing skills. Its clear to me that you like a good NTR story and thats good and all. But did you read also good Harems where Each of the Harem members trully works as a unit ?
I think from the conversation here, or like you saw it on your own on other threads, NTR is like Harem most of the time cheaply done so you have to dig through much trash.
But if you stick to one thing then the other then its your own personal preferences in the end.


No one said that honestly, at least not from what I saw. It all depends who you ask or WHERE you ask. From my experience if you want to add "corrupted" in a basic vanilla story of MC x FMC alone, you will get hated and cancelled because its not mix well. Same goes for "Harem" and adding "NTR". Look what happend to "Lust Geass" lol.
Its the same when you want to eat something Halal but then the waiter is confused because there is some small meat of it, he is just making a fuss.

Personally I enjoy corruption stories/games but only when its the MC doing it. Hence I love when I have them, aka netori. But thats not what you really mean.


Now what made you think this is the case lol. I mean you saw how each others fanbase go on other throat lol.
The others you mentioned tag is because they are not the majority but are niche, at least on this forum. Go on specific sites where this specific genre is talked about and then you would think the whole world is upside down.

I appreciate the way you argue.
But this threat is already quite old and to every statement I've written there is context. To give you a proper answer, I would need to get back, understand the context etc.

I hope you don't mind if we just leave it dead.
For a developer even more important than what fanbase is bigger, is what fanbase is willing to pay and sustain us.

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Currently, it seems like ntr is winning, but we'll see in 6-12 months. Then we should be established enough for numbers to really show.

I personally hope both sides thrive and will give my best to make that happen.

 

[Harem Trooper]

I appreciate the way you argue.
But this threat is already quite old and to every statement I've written there is context. To give you a proper answer, I would need to get back, understand the context etc.

I hope you don't mind if we just leave it dead.

Ok.

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Currently, it seems like ntr is winning, but we'll see in 6-12 months. Then we should be established enough for numbers to really show.

I personally hope both sides thrive and will give my best to make that happen.

Two Patreon sites with the specific fetish ? I like the idea! While im not a fan of the rat-race where either the factions tries to overthrow each other where they influence the game with it, I find it nice to see that that now we see somewhat of a represantation what the patreons really want or want to pay for.

Since you want to make a living from it you just provide the content the customer wants.
Pretty nice idea. Why no one even thought about it sooner lol haha.

Also im interested in this:
How do you will use these two path/pay system now ?

1.Like after the 6-12 months the one with the highest numbers/cash will be the soley focus of the game now
or
2.Its like, lets say 2/3 of the numbers/cash comes from Harem, the game contend will focus its time and resources on 2/3 of Harem while if 1/3 comes from NTR the game will focus them with 1/3 of its time and resources ?

 

[hysepReC]

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Currently, it seems like ntr is winning, but we'll see in 6-12 months. Then we should be established enough for numbers to really show.

I personally hope both sides thrive and will give my best to make that happen.

You wanna know why ntr is winning?

Your first game was an ntr game, your new game also has ntr (or it will have). Many harem fans or people who hate ntr (including me) simply won't even give it a chance. Games that try to appeal to both sets of fans will always have a majority cuck fanbase because of this. If i was you, i'd forget about harem and stick to the ntr stuff because that's obviously what you prefer... but since you've already opened a patreon for both i suppose it's too late for that.

 

[E_O_N]

Also im interested in this:
How do you will use these two path/pay system now ?

1.Like after the 6-12 months the one with the highest numbers/cash will be the soley focus of the game now
or
2.Its like, lets say 2/3 of the numbers/cash comes from Harem, the game contend will focus its time and resources on 2/3 of Harem while if 1/3 comes from NTR the game will focus them with 1/3 of its time and resources ?

To me a game which only leads to good or bad outcomes is not really a game.
The whole point of games is to somewhat be able to shape your future.

It's something that is largely lacking in adult games, but something that I want to keep at it's core.
However, resources are a scarcity. So if someone supports the dark or light side, I do my best to honor his wish to enforce that content.
There will always be content for both sides, how much content that is, that is largely up to my patrons.

You wanna know why ntr is winning?...

I was 100% certain that someone would come and "explain" the results. Thank you for proving me right.

 

[hysepReC]

I was 100% certain that someone would come and "explain" the results. Thank you for proving me right.

You're welcome mate, just pointing out why your comparison is a disingenuous one. Most of the top earning porn games on patreon don't have ntr.

 

[DawnCry]

You wanna know why ntr is winning?

Your first game was an ntr game, your new game also has ntr (or it will have). Many harem fans or people who hate ntr (including me) simply won't even give it a chance. Games that try to appeal to both sets of fans will always have a majority cuck fanbase because of this. If i was you, i'd forget about harem and stick to the ntr stuff because that's obviously what you prefer... but since you've already opened a patreon for both i suppose it's too late for that.

The day you discover that between harem and NTR you can find many shades of grey is gonna be a mindblow. Literally one of the best known japanese game series, (Rance series) you have an overall harem setting in which bad things can happen, in fact the game that saved Alicesoft from bankrupcy was Kichikuou Rance a game that literally had a harem for the MC that you could have sex all the time but a lot of bad stuff could happen around the world, from rape to death.

And the Rance series is one of the best sellers of mangagamer when they translate games, this is just an example why your recommendation is really bad. In fact on strategy games I typically think of daibanchou big bang age and Sengoku Rance, both games having some dark moments and that can surprise the player at some point while in essence they are mostly an harem game.

 

[Harem Trooper]

I mean you guys are not wrong, but in E_O_N case, his current game has more NTR supporters then the Harem ones. Its pretty clear to see but its also not that big of difference.
If some people are worried its probably because there was for a long time no contend released at all and you know how and when games gets boosted -> once they reapear on the latest updates.

How much will stay around, if lets say, the first NTR happend, is forced upon, or the "other side" realised its not the game for them, then its something different.
Whatever will happen, its not like I can blame EON since he does what he likes, its just we dont all agree of his preferences but you have to agree that he dosent do anything wrong with this approach since he gives the fans the choice.

I enjoyed his game, but its not THAT good I would need to throw my cash at him so it will be overshadowed with Harem content. Did it twice and I wish I never did that. ( Also I already pay enough through Patreon and Fanbox)

 

[DawnCry]

How much will stay around, if lets say, the first NTR happend, is forced upon, or the "other side" realised its not the game for them, then its something different.

Personally related to this I have a general rule: If NTR is unavoidable I only accept it in the very early game as a motivation to the MC, I kinda like the setting rags to riches so I can tolerate that stuff at the start.

However unavoidable NTR mid-late game is a clear no for me unless very specific examples (like a character that was working for the evil guys from the start or something that is truly plot related, however this should be an exception not the rule).

For the rest I tend to prefer that stuff that is clearly negative towards the MC is avoidable, a few examples:

-Capture system: A system in which a girl has no risks unless she is defeated/captured in combat, giving you the option to rescue her before it's too late.

-Rival system: A game in which we have a some sort of rival towards the love of x character but that in the end we can fully defeat him/her and take out of the equation, in this type of system I tend to prefer futanari rival so that I can literally end up fucking my rival lol.

In fact sometimes that stuff could end up making quite a few interesting systems, like a sexual experience system that influenced heroine fetishes or some other stuff, imagination is the limit!.

Overall I was just sharing my level of tolerance based on your comment.

 

[Skaldy]

i enjoy both, depends on characters though or story.