Italian website selling porn games and claiming to own the copyright for them

[Hones]

If you're accessing it through cloudflare does that mean the content fall under US laws anyway?

No I don't believe so, it would depend on where the site is actually hosted although using a .com domain that I believe brings the site under US law.

 

[Master of Puppets]

Yeap I was looking at their TOS too, and saw the same thing.

Also this little bit here in their prohibited uses section:

"-In any way that violates any applicable US federal, state, or local law, rule, or regulation (including, without limitation, any intellectual property laws or privacy laws or laws regarding sanctions, or the export of data or software to and from the United States or other countries);"

Means any devs with incest content will have still have to dance around it with Lewdpatcher shenanigans just like on Patreon, since incest is illegal for most of the US states.

Basically, it's great for political free speech, but for our pervy purposes... nothing better.

IANAL, but I'm pretty sure you're grossly misinterpreting those ToS. Incest may be illegal in some states, but depictions of incest are not (or all those companies producing incest porn would be in hot water, wouldn't they? It's fine because no actual incest is occurring). Underage sex is prohibited just about everywhere, but US legal precedent is that depictions of underage sex are only banned if they look too realistic.

 

[Amenahek]

IANAL, but I'm pretty sure you're grossly misinterpreting those ToS. Incest may be illegal in some states, but depictions of incest are not (or all those companies producing incest porn would be in hot water, wouldn't they? It's fine because no actual incest is occurring). Underage sex is prohibited just about everywhere, but US legal precedent is that depictions of underage sex are only banned if they look too realistic.

All of those companies producing incest porn use "step" relations, if you listen to the dialogue. I know cuz I watch most of it.

EDIT: The ones in the US do, at least.

SECOND EDIT: Not sure what legal precedent you're referring to, but this was the last case I know of where the simulated depiction of minors and incest was involved, and the dude got three years in prison for having comics:

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In said article, it also quotes the US Code covering it:

"According to United States Code, Section

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, it is illegal for:

Any person who … knowingly produces, distributes, receives, or possesses with intent to distribute, a visual depiction of any kind, including a drawing, cartoon, sculpture, or painting, that -​

(1)(A) depicts a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; and​

(B) is obscene; or​

(2)(A) depicts an image that is, or appears to be, of a minor engaging in graphic bestiality, sadistic or masochistic abuse, or sexual intercourse, including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex; and​

(B) lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value"​

 

[saintvermillion]

IANAL, but I'm pretty sure you're grossly misinterpreting those ToS. Incest may be illegal in some states, but depictions of incest are not (or all those companies producing incest porn would be in hot water, wouldn't they? It's fine because no actual incest is occurring). Underage sex is prohibited just about everywhere, but US legal precedent is that depictions of underage sex are only banned if they look too realistic.

So really it comes down to whether that company would go by US law or just say fuck it and ban it because it's too much hassle and they can ban whatever they feel like by admission of their own TOS. Best way to find out is to contact them about what would be allowed.

 

[gamersglory]

Oops sorry, I edited my original response with the additional info, but stuff like incest, bestiality, rape and the like will still be prohibited due to the US federal, state and local laws clause: "-In any way that violates any applicable US federal, state, or local law, rule, or regulation (including, without limitation, any intellectual property laws or privacy laws or laws regarding sanctions, or the export of data or software to and from the United States or other countries);"

All of those subjects are illegal in some form at the US federal and/or state level.

In the case of fictional content such as 3dcg and animation, Incest laws would not apply as it would technically be fauxcest or Fake Incest

 

[saintvermillion]

I emailed minds and I'll let you know what they say when they respond.

 

[septacycell]

If somebody needs something translated to/from italian ask away.

 

[Waaifu]

If Minds does allow the content that Patreon doesn't want on theirs, is a cryptocurrent site really going to be used when it requires having a wallet with Ethereum in it that most don't have?

 

[saintvermillion]

If Minds does allow the content that Patreon doesn't want on theirs, is a cryptocurrent site really going to be used when it requires having a wallet with Ethereum in it that most don't have?

How hard is it to set up on the user end?

 

[Stickymicky]

Reson there is lack of action is because of those of us in the developer community 99% don't make enough money off of our games to afford a lawyer. I'm sure Dark cookie could.

Sure if you all band together you can find a lawyer. I mean hell you might have a lawyer who's a big fan of your games who could work pro bono for you. In all honesty i wouldn't roll over and take it. Guy is stealing your shit, you gotta deal with it somehow, even if it means representing yourself in court. The next best bet might be to cut into his market in italy and make him loose business. Say with fan translating games he's advertising and listing them for sale at a low price on the Italian market. Make it unprofitable for him to sell the games he's ripping off by making them available to the market in italy.

Copyright law is a cunt to deal with, i know this being a library composer, so having evidence you made the game in the first place is always a good thing to backup.

 

[Waaifu]

How hard is it to set up on the user end?

There's a page about it as it uses tokens to pay for a post from a creator. A token is about 0.0012376 ETH.

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As for the setting up part, I wouldn't know as I don't use it though Coinbase and Gemini requires identify verification to purchase Ethereum from them.

 

[Amenahek]

How hard is it to set up on the user end?

I took a look at it to see for myself. I can do it, but I am relatively tech savvy. I can see a less technical person having some issues. You have to download and setup the wallet first, then use a coin exchange like Coinbase to buy Ethereum for your wallet.

Considering the amount of people who can't be bothered to figure out how to use the search function in this forum, I would guess a good number of folks would find the process beyond them.

 

[Hones]

Wouldn't it just be easier to use a site like

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that accepts card payments (which is the site

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uses) or maybe even

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if it ever gets up & running, having to mess around with crypto currency would just cause most potential supporters to not bother supporting a developer, you want to make it easier for people not harder. Most people stick with Patreon purely because of the convenience of paypal.

 

[saintvermillion]

I took a look at it to see for myself. I can do it, but I am relatively tech savvy. I can see a less technical person having some issues. You have to download and setup the wallet first, then use a coin exchange like Coinbase to buy Ethereum for your wallet.

Considering the amount of people who can't be bothered to figure out how to use the search function in this forum, I would guess a good number of folks would find the process beyond them.

So you set up the wallet then have to sign up to the coin exchange as well? Either way that's at least two sign up processes including minds itself and the Ethereum. I see the issue. With a heap of creators on there I could see it being worth it to go through the process but starting out would be rocky. It's not like there isn't a big developer hunger for developers to be free of censorship and it's not like users aren't hungry for censorship free games though so I don't know.

Wouldn't it just be easier to use a site like

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that accepts card payments (which is the site

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uses) or maybe even

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if it ever gets up & running, having to mess around with crypto currency would just cause most potential supporters to not bother supporting a developer, you want to make it easier for people not harder. Most people stick with Patreon purely because of the convenience of paypal.

Problem with that is why bother with moving away from patreon at all if the censorship is exactly the same on those alternatives? If you've been banned then you're just moving from one chopping block to another.

 

[Amenahek]

So you set up the wallet then have to sign up to the coin exchange as well? Either way that's at least two sign up processes including minds itself and the Ethereum. I see the issue. With a heap of creators on there I could see it being worth it to go through the process but starting out would be rocky. It's not like there isn't a big developer hunger for developers to be free of censorship and it's not like users aren't hungry for censorship free games though so I don't know.



Problem with that is why bother with moving away from patreon at all if the censorship is exactly the same on those alternatives? If you've been banned then you're just moving from one chopping block to another.

Pretty much, if we're counting Minds own token process, which requires you to buy tokens with your Ethereum, that's basically three set ups. Ethereum wallet install, coin exchange sign up and purchase, then purchasing Minds tokens with the Ethereum so you can then buy something on Minds. I realistically would want to go through so many hoops to make a transaction only when I need to contract a Colombian hitman to water my daisies while taking out my jackass neighbor.

 

[Hones]

Problem with that is why bother with moving away from patreon at all if the censorship is exactly the same on those alternatives? If you've been banned then you're just moving from one chopping block to another.

The censorship obviously isn't the same that's why MrDots moved DMD from Patreon to Subscribestar, their rules basically boil down to don't break the law & don't be a dick.

 

[Amenahek]

The censorship obviously isn't the same that's why MrDots moved DMD from Patreon to Subscribestar, their rules basically boil down to don't break the law & don't be a dick.

I supported MrDots through buymeacoffee before, but this is first I've heard of suscribestar. Interesting.

Damn, it's crypto-based too?

 

[saintvermillion]

The censorship obviously isn't the same that's why MrDots moved DMD from Patreon to Subscribestar, their rules basically boil down to don't break the law & don't be a dick.

That sounds wonderful but why don't they get the same harassment from payment proccessors?

and for what it's worth these blockchain patreon alternatives have been popping up in droves this last week

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might be worth seeing which of them rises to the top in regards to mechanics and users if the legal ones aren't a real alternative.

 

[Hones]

Damn, it's crypto-based too?

You can donate with either crypto or card not just crypto. see here -

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[Amenahek]

You can donate with either crypto or card not just crypto. see here -

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Phew. Looks good to me. Thanks!