DLsite suspends payment using Visa and Mastercard

[F4C430]

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April 3, 2024
[Important] For customers using Visa and Mastercard

Thank you very much for your continued patronage of this service.

From 18:00 on Wednesday, April 3, 2024, the use of Visa and Mastercard will be temporarily suspended.

We apologize for the inconvenience, but if you are using a Visa or MasterCard credit card, please
Please use JCB, American Express or other payment services.

*PayPay, convenience store prepayment, convenience store deferred payment (Paidy/atone), internet banking, etc.
We have many payment methods available.
[Available payment methods]

We apologize for the sudden notice, but
Thank you for your understanding and cooperation.

Looks like i won't be buying from DLsite anymore. I'm glad i at least bought some sale items a couple days ago before this change. Sad news but i'm not surprised. I'm actually more surprised that we were ever able to buy things on DLsite outside Japan, and that it lasted as long as it did.

Update:

American Express no longer works as well

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[fantasmic]

They recently made the tags dumber (for example, incest -> relative matter, loli -> petite) in hope of appeasing their payment processors; here's to hoping they roll some of the changes back since Visa has shown they won't be fooled. I mean, I know it's not going to happen, but a man can dream...

Anyway, you (and PayPal users!) can still purchase things just fine using BitCash. I get mine off PlayAsia, though I'm sure there are other trustworthy vendors.Purchase your amount, wait a minute to get your code, then go to "Purchase Points" on DLsite, choose Bitcash and the amount, and copy+paste your code. Note that the confirm button will still be grayed out, but you can click it just fine. It's a little less convenient since sometimes codes are temporarily out-of-stock and now you'll always have some number of points hanging around in your account, but it'll take more than Visa to keep me from supporting devs I like. I've also found the random points to be pretty handy when I come across things on sale for 67Y.

 

[F4C430]

My problem with buying Points is that you will always have some left over since you can only buy them in preset increments.

 

[MarshmallowCasserole]

Huh, big cards are tightening the screws lately.

 

[gola16]

Damn seems things are getting worse
March:
1. Gumroad Bans NSFW because of Credit Card Companies
2. Patreon makes tighter restrictions due to pressure from CCC
3. Pixiv removes PayPal completely from there website for fanbox NSFW creators but there was still hope for using direct credit card payments. Pixiv didn't want to conform to restrictions from paypal so it all was good

But there is always a but

April:
1. Dlsite arguably one of the biggest NSFW storefronts from Japan temporarily removes VISA and Mastercard payments from their website. Literally leaving International customers in the dust for buying NSFW content for only god knows how long.
2. DLSite had banned PayPal a few years ago but they also said that it was a temporary restriction back essentially using the same lingo they are using now.


There is a current alternative way of buying NSFW works through DLsite as an international customer:
1. for now through buying DLSite points through DLPay with PayPal and CCCs indirectly but sometimes using points may leave some points after a purchase.

1 yen = 1 point
For example a NSFW doujin may cost a 873 yen but the option for buying points doesn't directly allow obtaining 873 points as the only option is to get 1000 yen point card leaving you with 127 points that you may not be able to use unless you want to buy another doujin work again. So regardless of how much points you have, you will also be buying these works at a loss. I highly doubt this will ever deter people from buying these works anyway through this route and most importantly sooner or later they may even restrict this avenue too if the same CCCs find out this method exists.

2. Also some have spoken about JCB creating more options for international customers but I highly doubt they would even try due to these new regulations.

Funny enough last month I did mention in the gumroad ban thread that if CCCs can go this far in banning NSFW content they will definitely go for everyone and they probably won't stop until there is a complete ban. Now I'm even more convinced that even places like fakku, irodori comics, Fanza/DMM, subscribestar may not even be safe at all.

Hopefully and someday cryptocurrency will be stable enough to use as an options for payments.

PS: I do know that NSFW content creation has and will never be a safe route for making a living but damn does this hurt alot.

 

[revyfan]

loli -> petite)

Actually, loli got changed to ひよこ, which is literally young chick, and each "problematic" tag was given their own funny little joke tag. Bestiality became "Animal pal" and Mesugaki basically got changed to "Loser~". Obviously it's still stupid, but I thought the idea was funny as a "fuck you" to these shitty payment processors and banks. They shouldn't give 2 shits what people use their own money on, especially for fictional material.

 

[agent_xxx]

They just randomly decided this? Been using DLsite for close to a decade.

The world really is just getting shittier and shittier.

 

[gola16]

They just randomly decided this? Been using DLsite for close to a decade.

The world really is just getting shittier and shittier.

nah they have been targeted bans and restrictions for many NSFW sites through out the past few months so for me i am not suprised as i have been closely watching the news regarding Credit card companies on this issue

 

[Zycr]

Damn, I wonder how it will affect Ci-en supporting creators. I will still buy points to support the one I really like but now I'll probably won't bother supporting new/random creators because it's too goddamn annoying.

Also that"s why the dlsite ranking was "bugged" for a few days I suppose.

 

[gola16]

Damn, I wonder how it will affect Ci-en supporting creators. I will still buy points to support the one I really like but now I'll probably won't bother supporting new/random creators because it's too goddamn annoying.

Also that"s why the dlsite ranking was "bugged" for a few days I suppose.

The only option we have is to buy DLPay points and Bitcash gift cards to redeem before we can but anything from these sites. At least these gift cards companies won't be pressured to remove there services from places like CI-EN and DLsite and fanza because at the end of the day so long as it doesn't show that Mastercard and VISA allow direct form of payments using there card on these sites to purchase spicy content then Puritans and ESG can't directly complain that we are using gift cards to buy spicy content because they could be used to buy anything other thing apart from said content.

Also they will probably back track those tag changes to normal just like DMM did when they removed VISA and Mastercard a year ago

 

[Albireo]

The only option we have is to buy DLPay points and Bitcash gift cards to redeem before we can but anything from these sites. At least these gift cards companies won't be pressured to remove there services from places like CI-EN and DLsite and fanza because at the end of the day so long as it doesn't show that Mastercard and VISA allow direct form of payments using there card on these sites to purchase spicy content then Puritans and ESG can't directly complain that we are using gift cards to buy spicy content because they could be used to buy anything other thing apart from said content.

Also they will probably back track those tag changes to normal just like DMM did when they removed VISA and Mastercard a year ago

Yo, thanks. DLpay did the trick. Wild time.

 

[Razian]

Not really surprising, i think most of us saw it coming . I think they saw it coming.

Whatevs, it's a mild inconvenience to switch to points, gift cards or get an AE card.

What's more annoying, at least to me is companies like DL are not proactive and are kinda like...just sitting on their asses instead of working on finding solutions /alternatives .

Like...there has to be at least ONE possible and viabile permutation of bank/payment processor that's not tied to Visa/Master.

Why the hell aren't they looking into it ?

At least they haven't nuked their international presence like DMM ....yet, so that's something.

 

[fantasmic]

Actually, loli got changed to ひよこ, which is literally young chick, and each "problematic" tag was given their own funny little joke tag. Bestiality became "Animal pal" and Mesugaki basically got changed to "Loser~".

Ah, yeah, in Japanese. I saw a post about how the changes were more extensive in Japanese (I guess it was Visa Japan leaning on DLsite), but things also got changed manually changed in English. I peeked at the what they did with German, and a lot of tags are just plain hiragana. Then again, DLsite is blocked in Germany so...

Like...there has to be at least ONE possible and viabile permutation of bank/payment processor that's not tied to Visa/Master.

There's JCB, but I suppose that doesn't help foreigners much.

 

[boobasnoopa]

The only option we have is to buy DLPay points and Bitcash gift cards to redeem before we can but anything from these sites. At least these gift cards companies won't be pressured to remove there services from places like CI-EN and DLsite and fanza because at the end of the day so long as it doesn't show that Mastercard and VISA allow direct form of payments using there card on these sites to purchase spicy content then Puritans and ESG can't directly complain that we are using gift cards to buy spicy content because they could be used to buy anything other thing apart from said content.

Also they will probably back track those tag changes to normal just like DMM did when they removed VISA and Mastercard a year ago

My only problem with DLsite points is that unlike sites like Amazon or Steam, There is actually an expiration date of one year for those points you bought so you can't just sit on a bunch of points and not use them (I tend to wait for deals before splurging), you HAVE to spend them soon or they will be gone after a year.

 

[Cybuster]

American Express no longer works as well

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[White Bomber]

bitcash thing worked. managed to buy an H manga as a test.

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[gola16]

American Express no longer works as well

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Well there goes another option again

1. My genuine opinion is to use (Bitcash jp) tbh because I feel visa, mastercard and American express will probably find out that there is a work around to buying spicy content using DLPay gift cards as it can only be used on DLsite and ban this option too because they did the same thing for buying DMM points too last year. Also paypal can be used to buy DLsite points from DLPay so more than definitely they will find out about this site too.

2. (Bitcash jp) on the other hand can be bought through playasia and used on both DMM and DLSite. Unlike DLPay, bitcash can be used on several different websites apart from those that supply NSFW content.

3. Bitcash jp gift cards has a 10 year time frame allegedly
From what I have read online for usage unlike having to buy DMM and DLsite points directly so you don't have to redeem it immediately and use it within 1 year.

4. Although there is a major downside to bitcash jp which is it has a significant markup meaning it will probably be abit more expensive compared to DLPay so tbh it depends on the situation or option that you want to choose.

5. A) Buy (Bitcash jp) points from playasia.com

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B) *Important*
The redeem code is in Japanese so make sure you have a way of either copying the text

or

typing it out either through drawing the ind characters through google translate or a website dedicated in typing out Japanese.

C) Redeem the code on either DLSite or (DMM/Fanza) and buy whatever you want to buy

It sucks that we are having to move from method to other methods but I think it's high time Japan actually creates a stable crypto currency that is decentralised for international customers as we are at least 37% of their sales and thats a big chunk of people. Also a crypto currency for NSFW content in general.

 

[Zycr]

It sucks that we are having to move from method to other methods but I think it's high time Japan actually creates a stable crypto currency that is decentralised for international customers as we are at least 37% of their sales and thats a big chunk of people. Also a crypto currency for NSFW content in general.

I doubt most people are ready to learn how to use/trust crypto currency, even the most basic of it just to buy some porn and will without a doubt just pirate it. The day DLPay also get targeted will be the day that Dlsite will lose most of their international customers, if it didn't already get a huge impact on.

Then again I have no idea how crypto really works so just talking out of my lazy ass.

 

[F4C430]

It sucks that we are having to move from method to other methods but I think it's high time Japan actually creates a stable crypto currency that is decentralised for international customers as we are at least 37% of their sales and thats a big chunk of people. Also a crypto currency for NSFW content in general.

I doubt most people are ready to learn how to use/trust crypto currency, even the most basic of it just to buy some porn and will without a doubt just pirate it. The day DLPay also get targeted will be the day that Dlsite will lose most of their international customers, if it didn't already get a huge impact on.

Then again I have no idea how crypto really works so just talking out of my lazy ass.

There's already been discussion on the viability of crypto. In order to prevent this thread from going off-topic, refer to this: https://f95zone.to/threads/why-no-crypto.99598/

 

[Cybuster]

For now, I think the best is still dlpay, the playasia bitcash option has a pretty significant markup, the only downside is dlpoints has a one year expiration date, so spent everything immediately once points are purchased.

One more thing is that all these circumventions are temporary at best, if VISA and Mastercard are desperate enough that they look at a niche site like DLsite and want to censor it, then no amount of workaround will work forever, these companies really are looking for blood. The only real way of solving this problem is counter-legislation/lobbying since taking down VISA and Mastercard are impossible. Maybe some lobbying groups like Comic Book Legal Defense Fund and Electronic Frontier Foundation, and there likely needs to be an American company that deals with doujin of all genres and also has the balls to fight legally when they inevitably are targeted by VISA and Mastercard.