Discussion: Why people do not like NTR in games?

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"How long was it going on, with how many others involved, when did they lose interest, what caused it, why did they do it instead of bringing up whatever issue they had that one could try and fix, were they only after money, was the one they were cheating on a 'stable back-up', why not break up before doing it? Why not break up before doing it?"
Cheating be like:

One for the money,
Two for the show;
Three to make ready,
And four to go.
 

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AAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!! :KEK: :PogChamp: :WutFace::WutFace::WutFace:
GIMME MORE NTR GAMES!!!!!!
I WANT TO BE LOSER!!!!!
I WANT MY BULLIES FUCK MY MOMMY!!!!!! :Kappa::WeSmart:
 

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Well, NTR is an emotion based kink, unlike physical ones like anal. Without emotion NTR doesn't really have a point.
Well, from that perspective you could say that NTR haters/dislikers are the "fetishists" because they bring extra emotions to the porn table.
Isn't the mainstream level of emotion for adult media on the range "is she hot or not" (regardless of the kink)?
 
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Well, from that perspective you could say that NTR haters/dislikers are the "fetishists" because they bring extra emotions to the porn table.
This is assuming everyone views NTR like you do, just for the scenes. I'd argue it's the opposite. Most people enjoy NTR, because it's NTR. They LIKE the emotional aspect of it. They want to see the betrayal, the corruption. Some even self-insert as the cuck, because they like the feeling of humiliation. For some reason.
 
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This is assuming everyone views NTR like you do, just for the scenes. I'd argue it's the opposite. Most people enjoy NTR, because it's NTR. They LIKE the emotional aspect of it. They want to see the betrayal, the corruption. Some even self-insert as the cuck, because they like the feeling of humiliation. For some reason.
Yes. My NTR-liking comes from a completely different fetish. Try to guess what it is. I'll write an answer in a couple of hours.
 

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One is VN, other RPG. RPG beats VN any day, regardless of the type of fetish. It's basically "game" vs "story".


But would you fully play a game with NTR where it is avoidable (multiple endings), BUT, in order to get ALL achievements/get ENTIRE gallery you have to endure it? Or would you just play non-NTR part, without getting all achievements/gallery?
I guess this is similar question for regular games: if you like playing only "good" characters, would you play "new game+" making mc "evil" just to get all achievements, or you don't play?
What is stronger: your "uncomfortability" to play a certain unlikable character or curiosity "what is going to happen on this road"?
Leaving aside the game vs story debate, there are many stories I would play and it would never be like dark hero party.

Related to your question my uncomfortable element comes basically from the following:

1º Pathetic MC
2º Evil bastards as antagonists

Something that tends to happen in NTR games is that those 2 elements that I personally dislike quite hard are there, you can't find an antagonist that is overall a good person but lustful or perhaps someone that would only try to seduce the love interest if you had some sort of weird relationship like slave/master and stuff, or perhaps that they are actually totally good people but that fell under a curse.

Also the MC doesn't help since it's either a full pathetic mess or an absolute cuck who ends up enjoying his loved one having sex.

If you took out those 2 elements you will notice that the NTR content would be quite light hearted and not too impactful, which would be perfectly fine for many games to have as a gameplay element to counter. This is the thing, I can understand the value of risk of NTR, but you have to be mindful with your audience related to how hard it goes.

Let me go into games with NTR that I played:

-Leane of legitimate crown: I did play it and overall I liked the gameplay, NTR was kinda on the hard side but I was a bit forgiving since I can avoid it, but the MC was an absolute dislike for me, since he isn't rewarded good enough for playing good, you are locked to 1 romance per playthrough and only one scene + a light ending.

Would I play it for the NTR scenes? No, my curiosity didn't get into it since I'm not into a bunch of bastards having sex with girls.

-A struggle with sin: Played it, liked the gameplay, but it's the opposite of what leane of legitimate crown is, NTR feels very easy to avoid, to the point that feels more like how matching characters in fire emblem works. Do I play NTR scenes in it? to be fair there are many NTR scenes that are quite light so I don't care at all, sometimes for characters that I don't like a lot will just let them have a boyfriend or whatever, I'm not someone that requires a harem of 20 girls, most of the times I have a clear preference for certain girls and the rest I will do whatever I want at the moment.
 

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I agree that everyone will avoid content, they find disgusting. "Disgusting content" being something visual.
Sorry, just a quick check, do you have aphantasia, by any chance?

Because for me, no, it's not just something visual. A description of something revolting, is still going to invoke the same emtion: revulsion.

So my conclusion is that people that don't like NTR are more involved with the story, rather than the visual art.
Yeah, turns out people who play story-rich games, are actually interested in a story. How is this a revelation for you?

I like NTR for the opposite reason: I don't care about the MC/story, but I'm more interested in the hot sex scenes.
Okay, a question. Why are you playing these games? Assuming that you do. Why aren't you on pornhub, then? Or some booru if you're into 2D? Why do you subject yourself to tons of text if you care only about the CGs? Just unlock the gallery and have a blast.

Again, how can you say you like NTR if it's not a visual thing? It's not in the CG, it's in the story, and you say you don't care about the story. So how can you like and not care something at the same time? You're not making much sense.

Well, from that perspective you could say that NTR haters/dislikers are the "fetishists" because they bring extra emotions to the porn table.
:WaitWhat::WaitWhat::WaitWhat:

Wut. Extra emotions? Extra??? The whole emotional angle is in the definition of the genre. There is no reason for netorare to exist at all except for the purpose of exploring the cuck's perspective and emotions. It would be much easier to just throw the cuck out, and focus either on the bull or the cheater. Again, if you haven't noticed, but netorare stories basically offer NO PORN from the actual perspective of the cuck. You need a omniscient pov for that. You're just factually wrong here, emotional framing is not just some incidental fluff here. It's the core of the thing.

I'm surprised how much emotion is contextualized with the theme. When I pick XXX content I make sure to leave "emotions" outside of the room. After all, it's easy to jerk off on stranger (or some celeb/pornstar you never met in person/fantasy character), rather than to someone you know (have an emotional connection to).
Whoa.

AMATEUR PSYCHOLOGIST POWERS ACTIVATE!

Okay, not really, but man. Let me tell you, this is not the norm.
 
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Hi, everyone! This is my first post in general discussions, so let's see how it goes.

I don't know if it's true, but I've read of different threads that NTR genre in games in not liked by a lot of people. If that is true, the question is "why?". Share your thoughts, especially if you consider yourself "NTR hater". Please explain your position on the matter.
Before you post however, be mindful that we are talking about games, NOT real life. I wrote this little reminder, because I believe that among NTR haters there are those who take their games TOO personal, so they feel when MC gets cheated on, as if they have been cheated on.

Also there is one more thing to discuss, although it was discussed before in different threads, I consider the matter to be inconclusive. Basically, every time there is a new NTR game there is that one guy who asks "Is NTR optional?". So the question is, what does that mean:
a) Can NTR be meta turned off in the game options or
b) Can MC in-game make choices that will nullify NTR?

There is already a thread called "why do people like NTR", but I decided to approach the subject from "haters" point of view, because according to forum there are more of them than "likers".
*sigh*

Despite the name, NTR (cuckolding) in most cases only means cheating, and it's obviously unpleasant thing. Why? Because of the sense of ownership and/or betrayed trust. Traitors and those women who are fucked by everyone have no value = not interesting.

1) Netori - Main character makes someone's girl cheat on them.

2) Netorare - Someone makes main character's girl to cheat on him.

3) Netorase - Main character encourages his girl to cheat on him.

I can't imagine a healthy person to encourage his girlfriend to cheat on him. Why do they need a girlfriend in a first place? To make a porn material out of them? Makes no sense...
 

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Yeah, turns out people who play story-rich games, are actually interested in a story. How is this a revelation for you?
In XXX matters I value visual more than textual. That is why I don't usually play text-only games. I could only make exception if the game really ticks all boxes on my kinks.

Okay, a question. Why are you playing these games? Assuming that you do. Why aren't you on pornhub, then? Or some booru if you're into 2D? Why do you subject yourself to tons of text if you care only about the CGs? Just unlock the gallery and have a blast.
Combining PC games and porn content is a great 2 for 1 package! And why do you think I'm into text in the first place?

Again, how can you say you like NTR if it's not a visual thing? It's not in the CG, it's in the story, and you say you don't care about the story. So how can you like and not care something at the same time? You're not making much sense.

:WaitWhat::WaitWhat::WaitWhat:

Wut. Extra emotions? Extra??? The whole emotional angle is in the definition of the genre. There is no reason for netorare to exist at all except for the purpose of exploring the cuck's perspective and emotions. It would be much easier to just throw the cuck out, and focus either on the bull or the cheater. Again, if you haven't noticed, but netorare stories basically offer NO PORN from the actual perspective of the cuck. You need a omniscient pov for that. You're just factually wrong here, emotional framing is not just some incidental fluff here. It's the core of the thing.

Whoa.

AMATEUR PSYCHOLOGIST POWERS ACTIVATE!

Okay, not really, but man. Let me tell you, this is not the norm.
The catch is that my liking of NTR has nothing to do with mc's emotions. I'll explain all in the answer to
Insomnimaniac Games soon.
 

Adrian24

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Ahegao, interracial, or corruption?
1. Ahegao - my fetish, but didn't have influence on my liking of NTR.
2. Interracial - it's like a bland meal - good when you're hungry, but it's became a trope (there is too much of it now), so I don't care about it so much. Same with orcs/female elves in XXX fantasy games.
3. Corruption - your closest hit so far, but not quite.

Try to narrow it down a little to a specific genre. ;)
 

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1. Ahegao - my fetish, but didn't have influence on my liking of NTR.
2. Interracial - it's like a bland meal - good when you're hungry, but it's became a trope (there is too much of it now), so I don't care about it so much. Same with orcs/female elves in XXX fantasy games.
3. Corruption - your closest hit so far, but not quite.

Try to narrow it down a little to a specific genre. ;)
Humiliation, or BDSM? Like, husband in a cuck chair?
 

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1. Ahegao - my fetish, but didn't have influence on my liking of NTR.
2. Interracial - it's like a bland meal - good when you're hungry, but it's became a trope (there is too much of it now), so I don't care about it so much. Same with orcs/female elves in XXX fantasy games.
3. Corruption - your closest hit so far, but not quite.

Try to narrow it down a little to a specific genre. ;)
Free use maybe, or maybe voyeurism? shots in the dark could be mind control, mind break, drug use, as well as time stop
 

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Humiliation, or BDSM? Like, husband in a cuck chair?
BDSM can be used as a tool in the genre, but BDSM itself is not the answer. Everything else is wrong completely wrong. If you're looking the answer in the f95 "tags" window, there is no tag with that name, but there is one similar, that should cover it (but also covers many other things).
 

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BDSM can be used as a tool in the genre, but BDSM itself is not the answer. Everything else is wrong completely wrong. If you're looking the answer in the f95 "tags" window, there is no tag with that name, but there is one similar, that should cover it (but also covers many other things).
Some form of blackmail or domination loss? I'm not well versed in the extremes, so that's about all I got.
 

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Combining PC games and porn content is a great 2 for 1 package!
Only in theory. As far as gameplay goes, porn games utterly suck, and NTR games are definitely not the top end in this regard even among porn games.

And why do you think I'm into text in the first place?
I'm not saying you're into it, you are. NTR, fundamentally, is not a visual kink. And then you say you like it, and then you say you don't care about text. You're making contradictory statements.

The catch is that my liking of NTR has nothing to do with mc's emotions.
The way you're saying it, it comes off as you just liike something, than NTR just happens to accompany often. In which case, no, it's not called liikng NTR, it's just a heurstic you have. You want SOMECONTENT, and if you see NTR tag you'll have, say 70% of SOMECONTENT aslo present.

Also the answer could be just rape. Okay, rape-adjacent.
 

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Free use maybe, or maybe voyeurism? shots in the dark could be mind control, mind break, drug use, as well as time stop
Complete miss with the first sentence.
Your "shots in the dark" are getting close. These are all often used in the genre (answer) I'm looking for. Also, another hint, you could use it (the word) freely outside of XXX content.
 

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Complete miss with the first sentence.
Your "shots in the dark" are getting close. These are all often used in the genre (answer) I'm looking for. Also, another hint, you could use it (the word) freely outside of XXX content.
Control?