VN Ren'Py Completed Dating My Daughter [Ch. 1-4 v1.01] [MrDots Games]

[Eerie Entity]

Man I'm so hyped up for the update, the next 4-5 days couldn't go any slower, ugh!
DMD has always had a special place in my heart because that, Depraved Awakening, Dreams of Desire, Daughter for Dessert and Milfy City and Dual Family were my very first adult games (that weren't flash games) that I played, they're the reason to my transcendence to adult gaming world a little over half a year ago, and I've been on that road ever since and haven't looked back! <3

 

[cxx]

dmd isn't in patreon so he can more freely decide when to update.

 

[Deleted member 992182]

It's obviously a really great adult VN game. That's not for debate. I just have a small complaint/critique (spoilers ahead):


Ok, my main issue revolves around the way that this game (and many others) handle NTR.

DMD has 3 examples (that I know of) in the first chapter alone. I don't have a problem with that! In fact, my issue is that it's not really NTR but the teased illusion of NTR. Now, I'm aware that some enjoy NTR and others don't. I'd loosly estimate that 75% don't want any of it at all and 25% do or are indifferent. Yet, the worst thing a game can do is try to ride a line that appeases everyone on that subject.

I happen to enjoy it but not because I like cuck porn or scenarios. In actual life I find it lame and kind of laughable. However, I'm also incapable of actually inserting myself into these games. Even if I use my name for the MC, I can't fully believe that it's me. Therefore, that's not my daughter/gf/wife so that's not my daughter/gf/wife being fucked by another man. To me (and many NTR lovers) it's just a sexy woman being fucked. It's a cheap but effective way to illicit emotion from the player.

The subject of rape them comes up. Again, I don't enjoy the thought of an actual person being raped. I don't watch rape porn, for instance. Yet, in a VN I don't mind it because it's fake...It's a fake story involving comically BS sexual scenarios. Let the insanity fly if just a BS story. JMHO.

All that said, DMD dangles NTR/rape in front of the gamer to various emotions. Some hate it, some don't mind it and some want to see it. None are wrong and none are right but what seems wrong (or at least stupid/lazy) is removing the option entirely while still dangling it. Don't put for the possibility multiple times only to back out each time.

A VN takesa long time to make. By all means, have the actual sex scenes be made up of dozens of renders and animations! Spend 99% of resources on what you intend. I would simply propose that you make 5-10 renders and a little script to appease those that would like to see the implied NTR/rape.
So, at the beach simply include 5-10 renders showing what is implied. Even if it still delivers a game over, do it. It adds a couple more days to the development that already takes months anyway.
The douche at the bar you play pool with FOR YOUR DAUGHTER'S PUSSY (lol), give the actual option to lose. Again, it's 5-10 renders of her getting fucked.
Lucas? Same. Except I'd have made that a full-fledged direction in the game. Letting him (or making the choices that allow it to happen) should be an optional part of the story itself. Again, 5-10 renders and the ramifications to the future of the story is all it takes even then.

In short, it just seems like an obvious addition that too many games hint at but never have. Either do it 100% or don't 100%. Either seem as simple so I don't know why so many ride that line of appeasing but ultimately disappointing both.

PS: DMD is not the only game to do this. Another specific instance for me is in Acting Lessons. Megan is home alone as you go to fuck your ex. Her friend's psycho step-dad breaks in and tries to rape her. Ok. At that point the dev has a clear option to please eveyone and doesn't! Megan gets away and anti-NTR loved it while pro-NTR were disappointed. Fine...but just add both options. Why not? It's a few renders and a bit of story tweaks to please everyone. I don't get it why more don't do it.

 

[EvilMonkey]

It's obviously a really great adult VN game. That's not for debate. I just have a small complaint/critique (spoilers ahead):


Ok, my main issue revolves around the way that this game (and many others) handle NTR.

DMD has 3 examples (that I know of) in the first chapter alone. I don't have a problem with that! In fact, my issue is that it's not really NTR but the teased illusion of NTR. Now, I'm aware that some enjoy NTR and others don't. I'd loosly estimate that 75% don't want any of it at all and 25% do or are indifferent. Yet, the worst thing a game can do is try to ride a line that appeases everyone on that subject.

I happen to enjoy it but not because I like cuck porn or scenarios. In actual life I find it lame and kind of laughable. However, I'm also incapable of actually inserting myself into these games. Even if I use my name for the MC, I can't fully believe that it's me. Therefore, that's not my daughter/gf/wife so that's not my daughter/gf/wife being fucked by another man. To me (and many NTR lovers) it's just a sexy woman being fucked. It's a cheap but effective way to illicit emotion from the player.

The subject of rape them comes up. Again, I don't enjoy the thought of an actual person being raped. I don't watch rape porn, for instance. Yet, in a VN I don't mind it because it's fake...It's a fake story involving comically BS sexual scenarios. Let the insanity fly if just a BS story. JMHO.

All that said, DMD dangles NTR/rape in front of the gamer to various emotions. Some hate it, some don't mind it and some want to see it. None are wrong and none are right but what seems wrong (or at least stupid/lazy) is removing the option entirely while still dangling it. Don't put for the possibility multiple times only to back out each time.

A VN takesa long time to make. By all means, have the actual sex scenes be made up of dozens of renders and animations! Spend 99% of resources on what you intend. I would simply propose that you make 5-10 renders and a little script to appease those that would like to see the implied NTR/rape.
So, at the beach simply include 5-10 renders showing what is implied. Even if it still delivers a game over, do it. It adds a couple more days to the development that already takes months anyway.
The douche at the bar you play pool with FOR YOUR DAUGHTER'S PUSSY (lol), give the actual option to lose. Again, it's 5-10 renders of her getting fucked.
Lucas? Same. Except I'd have made that a full-fledged direction in the game. Letting him (or making the choices that allow it to happen) should be an optional part of the story itself. Again, 5-10 renders and the ramifications to the future of the story is all it takes even then.

In short, it just seems like an obvious addition that too many games hint at but never have. Either do it 100% or don't 100%. Either seem as simple so I don't know why so many ride that line of appeasing but ultimately disappointing both.

PS: DMD is not the only game to do this. Another specific instance for me is in Acting Lessons. Megan is home alone as you go to fuck your ex. Her friend's psycho step-dad breaks in and tries to rape her. Ok. At that point the dev has a clear option to please eveyone and doesn't! Megan gets away and anti-NTR loved it while pro-NTR were disappointed. Fine...but just add both options. Why not? It's a few renders and a bit of story tweaks to please everyone. I don't get it why more don't do it.

This seems to be more of a whinge about games not including content that you personally want and not an actual critique of the game or other games. I mean, you state it yourself that you'd, "...loosly estimate that 75% don't want any of it [NTR] at all and 25% do or are indifferent...". Now I'm not a developer but if I thought that three quarters of my potential audience didn't want NTR in their game, then regardless of whether I liked it or not, I'd probably leave it out. Why alienate 75% (your figures) of your customer base for one path in your game, that in a game like DMD would really detract from the romantic F/D relationship.

The other point is that a large section of people hate that kind of content, so maybe the dev is in the camp where NTR isn't preferred?

 

[Deleted member 992182]

How is it a whinge to say that it would be easy to please most everyone?

Did you read where I said to focus 99% on your vision but do a small bit to please those that don't want your exact vision? Again, 5-10 renders would please everyone (be it on either side of the discussion).

Also, again, I don't prefer either as I don't get invested in a VN personally. I don't care. It just feels cheap and lazy to allude to something 3x and balk each time.

Edit: That or he'll have her getting raped in ch.3 and that would be retarded given the direction of the story. So, do it or don't. Don't hint at it 3x and not do it. Or, in this case, kinda-sorta do it but not really show it and result in a game over.

 

[armion82]

How is it a whinge to say that it would be easy to please most everyone?

Did you read where I said to focus 99% on your vision but do a small bit to please those that don't want your exact vision? Again, 5-10 renders would please everyone (be it on either side of the discussion).

Also, again, I don't prefer either as I don't get invested in a VN personally. I don't care. It just feels cheap and lazy to allude to something 3x and balk each time.

Edit: That or he'll have her getting raped in ch.3 and that would be retarded given the direction of the story. So, do it or don't. Don't hint at it 3x and not do it. Or, in this case, kinda-sorta do it but not really show it and result in a game over.

Well do you realise that if he go and include that fetish,others will ask too.Par example I like futa.Why not we have a scene with a futa fucking D,Elena and Jennifer?Guess what.This is not even in the very first build of the game,not even an idea so we can't expect something like that.NTR is the same way.The closest thing to that that can be in the game will be sharing.On the other hand we have bestiality tag for a very long time.And now that the game is not on Patreon.Now that can happen.

 

[BRJ89]

I just finished Ch 2 at the point Elena walks in to find F and D sleeping naked together but the walkthrough shows there is more. Did I do something wrong or is it just content for the next update?

 

[theresa663]

Thinking of starting this one, do I download chapter 2 only or do I need to download both chapter 1 AND chapter 2 ? Seems weird to me that there isn't one big game but instead 2 chapter links. Thanks.

 

[atlas114]

chapter 1 is a big game that’s why they had to split to two. you need to download both and start with chapter 1.

 

[Walg]

The developer is extending too often the release dates. As a free user, i have no rights to criticize him/her. However this may result to lose some of his/her patrons.

It's great that you realise that as a pirated user it's not your place to say but as many others have said MrDots is probably one of the best with release dates and since the DMD/Melody structure has been in place for a while everyone understands what they're signing up for.

Man I'm so hyped up for the update, the next 4-5 days couldn't go any slower, ugh!
DMD has always had a special place in my heart because that, Depraved Awakening, Dreams of Desire, Daughter for Dessert and Milfy City and Dual Family were my very first adult games (that weren't flash games) that I played, they're the reason to my transcendence to adult gaming world a little over half a year ago, and I've been on that road ever since and haven't looked back! <3

One, with what you've posted I'm sure many devs have appreciated your feedback because it's been really useful and two, I'm sure you're not the only one who likes DMD, Depraved Awakening, DoD, DfD or Milfy

I just finished Ch 2 at the point Elena walks in to find F and D sleeping naked together but the walkthrough shows there is more. Did I do something wrong or is it just content for the next update?

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[b12moguj]

I just finished Ch 2 at the point Elena walks in to find F and D sleeping naked together but the walkthrough shows there is more. Did I do something wrong or is it just content for the next update?

Are you sure you downloader v0.19?, some of the download links might be outdated. In case you are playing in android, its version is an update behind.

 

[BRJ89]

It's great that you realise that as a pirated user it's not your place to say but as many others have said MrDots is probably one of the best with release dates and since the DMD/Melody structure has been in place for a while everyone understands what they're signing up for.



One, with what you've posted I'm sure many devs have appreciated your feedback because it's been really useful and two, I'm sure you're not the only one who likes DMD, Depraved Awakening, DoD, DfD or Milfy

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I'm on Android. I download from the OP. Still quite new to this. My Ch1 save didmt carry over so I just made all the same choices to start Ch2 that I had in ch1. Just for fun I set all values to 100 when I started Ch2.

 

[BRJ89]

Are you sure you downloader v0.19?, some of the download links might be outdated. In case you are playing in android, its version is an update behind.

I guess that's the issue, I'm on Android. I downloaded from the OP.

 

[Walg]

I guess that's the issue, I'm on Android. I downloaded from the OP.

Ok well firstly, welcome and hope you enjoy here For android, since most of them are unofficial ports, there might be a version or timing issue so good to keep that in mind for next time.

 

[Jeff Steel]

It's obviously a really great adult VN game. That's not for debate. I just have a small complaint/critique (spoilers ahead):


Ok, my main issue revolves around the way that this game (and many others) handle NTR.

DMD has 3 examples (that I know of) in the first chapter alone. I don't have a problem with that! In fact, my issue is that it's not really NTR but the teased illusion of NTR. Now, I'm aware that some enjoy NTR and others don't. I'd loosly estimate that 75% don't want any of it at all and 25% do or are indifferent. Yet, the worst thing a game can do is try to ride a line that appeases everyone on that subject.

I happen to enjoy it but not because I like cuck porn or scenarios. In actual life I find it lame and kind of laughable. However, I'm also incapable of actually inserting myself into these games. Even if I use my name for the MC, I can't fully believe that it's me. Therefore, that's not my daughter/gf/wife so that's not my daughter/gf/wife being fucked by another man. To me (and many NTR lovers) it's just a sexy woman being fucked. It's a cheap but effective way to illicit emotion from the player.

The subject of rape them comes up. Again, I don't enjoy the thought of an actual person being raped. I don't watch rape porn, for instance. Yet, in a VN I don't mind it because it's fake...It's a fake story involving comically BS sexual scenarios. Let the insanity fly if just a BS story. JMHO.

All that said, DMD dangles NTR/rape in front of the gamer to various emotions. Some hate it, some don't mind it and some want to see it. None are wrong and none are right but what seems wrong (or at least stupid/lazy) is removing the option entirely while still dangling it. Don't put for the possibility multiple times only to back out each time.

A VN takesa long time to make. By all means, have the actual sex scenes be made up of dozens of renders and animations! Spend 99% of resources on what you intend. I would simply propose that you make 5-10 renders and a little script to appease those that would like to see the implied NTR/rape.
So, at the beach simply include 5-10 renders showing what is implied. Even if it still delivers a game over, do it. It adds a couple more days to the development that already takes months anyway.
The douche at the bar you play pool with FOR YOUR DAUGHTER'S PUSSY (lol), give the actual option to lose. Again, it's 5-10 renders of her getting fucked.
Lucas? Same. Except I'd have made that a full-fledged direction in the game. Letting him (or making the choices that allow it to happen) should be an optional part of the story itself. Again, 5-10 renders and the ramifications to the future of the story is all it takes even then.

In short, it just seems like an obvious addition that too many games hint at but never have. Either do it 100% or don't 100%. Either seem as simple so I don't know why so many ride that line of appeasing but ultimately disappointing both.

PS: DMD is not the only game to do this. Another specific instance for me is in Acting Lessons. Megan is home alone as you go to fuck your ex. Her friend's psycho step-dad breaks in and tries to rape her. Ok. At that point the dev has a clear option to please eveyone and doesn't! Megan gets away and anti-NTR loved it while pro-NTR were disappointed. Fine...but just add both options. Why not? It's a few renders and a bit of story tweaks to please everyone. I don't get it why more don't do it.

Several points:

(1) The MDots staff is constantly perplexed at the vocal cry of NTR on anytime another male npc makes some kind of advancement on any female path the player is on. As I pointed out in the past, a huge amount of the romantic romances in fiction have a rival. A rival for affections is not NTR.

(2) I do not believe your 75/25 numbers are correct given the amount of “romance rival” there is in fiction.

(3) I agree with playing out a short stint of the “bad path” before game over. Ideally, those who don’t want to see that path can exit out or back up the storyline. This had been discussed in the past but never implemented. Perhaps it will be implemented in the future.

(4) If implemented in the future (not likely in DMD, but perhaps in Melody or the next project) I would imagine it would be mapping out non-rape scenes. Imo, DMD has too many “rapist” npc types. My druthers would to get more likeable male characters as “bad endings” - the kind of guys that would be a “good ending” but for the fact it is not the MC.

 

[7Spear]

link for android in the op is ch2 v0.18
if you want chapter 2 v0.19 can download from spear or emre.but i think no need to download ch2 v0.20 is not far from release

 

[BRJ89]

link for android in the op is ch2 v0.18
if you want chapter 2 v0.19 can download from spear or emre.but i think no need to download ch2 v0.20 is not far from release

I figured it out, thanks. I just read through some threads and see that .20 is near release. I played just enough to confirm content beyond where I hit a wall prior. Now I'll wait.

 

[fried]

How is it a whinge to say that it would be easy to please most everyone?

Did you read where I said to focus 99% on your vision but do a small bit to please those that don't want your exact vision? Again, 5-10 renders would please everyone (be it on either side of the discussion).

Also, again, I don't prefer either as I don't get invested in a VN personally. I don't care. It just feels cheap and lazy to allude to something 3x and balk each time.

Edit: That or he'll have her getting raped in ch.3 and that would be retarded given the direction of the story. So, do it or don't. Don't hint at it 3x and not do it. Or, in this case, kinda-sorta do it but not really show it and result in a game over.

I see your point, but feel that "bad" endings should be short and sweet or fully drawn out. Either a very clear result-of-your-bad-choice screen before the game ends (similar to Dragon's Lair?) or a full-on change in the storyline and personalities to fit that new direction (as seen in "I Love Daddy").

But, the Dragon's Lair path tends to be funny and/or shock value and that's not what DMD tends to be about. I don't see the point in tossing out fetishes for an ending cut-scene when it doesn't define the game: in a way, that could be misleading to those playing the game and hoping to see something that only happens when you end it badly once or twice.

If anything, DMD could have gone the "I Love Daddy" route of multiple endings and 180 degree turns on character personalities from various combinations of player choices, but when DMD's production schedule turned into once every three months . . . well, we've been happy just to get the second volume of days, I feel. That fabled third volume is only a dream at this point. And yes, some of those multiple endings could be rather short compared to others - but, I'd want a reasonable ending (i.e., not just a quick bullet to the storyline) in each case that lyrically ties out consequences with regards to prior storylines and gives us something to mull about for the future of the characters, too.

Further, some choices you make will limit your options downstream in the game - they won't end it abruptly, but your experience could be less than what it might otherwise have been. There are LOTS of those in DMD and the game still continues onwards . . . albeit with the player wondering if they missed out on some things they heard about in the forum, the walkthrough, etc. If anything, those could have taken away possibilities for different genres or situations that a player might get into - so, does that make the bad choice/self-censoring idea better or worse for a long VN? I don't know, but a number of other VNs have gone that route (e.g., "Doctor Amana - Sexual Therapist") and I still enjoy the ride on which I'm being taken with DMD as it is, seeing no need to change this particular game's style.

 

[EvilMonkey]

How is it a whinge to say that it would be easy to please most everyone?

Did you read where I said to focus 99% on your vision but do a small bit to please those that don't want your exact vision? Again, 5-10 renders would please everyone (be it on either side of the discussion).

Also, again, I don't prefer either as I don't get invested in a VN personally. I don't care. It just feels cheap and lazy to allude to something 3x and balk each time.

Edit: That or he'll have her getting raped in ch.3 and that would be retarded given the direction of the story. So, do it or don't. Don't hint at it 3x and not do it. Or, in this case, kinda-sorta do it but not really show it and result in a game over.

1. People that don't like NTR content don't want it in the games they play AT ALL. Having it in the game actively deters those that detest NTR content from playing/supporting.

2. You can't please everyone.

3. DMD is a story about how you protect your daughter. Sexual relationship aside.

4. For someone that doesn't get invested in VN's you've got a lot to say about them.

5. I said it was a whinge because you bemoaned the fact that the dev wasn't doing what you wanted and then tried to form an argument around that sentiment.

 

[symxxx]

is there any other char that i can choose other than my daughter i mean you know choose and still dont get game over helena?