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Wait Wait for it is D about to lean forwaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrd
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[/spoiler] as usual perfection personified....tongue hanging out
- Jun 2, 2017
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Whoa! Slow down there! When did the fact that an innocent girl Has sex with the guy she fell in love with make her into a “hoe?”
Romeo and Juliet takes place over 4 days and (I always assume) they had sex and then killed themselves over that period. Does that make Juliet a hoe?
Westside Story takes place over only two days. We can assume they would have had sex if they made it to day three or if Tony had spent less time rumbling. Does that make Maria a hoe?
Casablanca takes place over maybe two days, and Ilsa is ready to leave her husband. (Yes, I know they had a prior fling in Paris, but still.)
The movie “Roman Holiday” takes place over less than 2 days. But for movie censors, I contend they would have had a love scene. Does that make Princess Ann a hoe?
And what defines a virgin girl as “rushing into sex” as a hoe? Is it American Puritanism based culture?
Say what you will about MC and his moral issues, but, gosh darn it - no one calls D a hoe! And no one puts baby in a corner!
- I know how you feel about D, and your views Vtv, and you know we disagree on this issue. In actuality, taking GSA (genetic sexual attraction) and putting the two into close and daily proximity, and going on vacation trips and the like, it appears that even the “virgin daughter” might be swept into a sexual relationship in that amount of time. The two daughter personal accounts on this GSA issue talk about it like a “love at first sight emotional rocket ship” like experience, and not one that is due to sexual loose morality.
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Thanks, Vtv. You’ve steered me back. Now I need to find G and respond to him. I suppose it’s a good sign when I’m fighting against people calling D a hoe.
- Jun 2, 2017
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See my post to Virtuvoid above. See the timeline and how it compare to some classic romances. As for having sex in public places, I strongly disagree that makes D into a hoe. I know that some disagree with me, but sex in a public space is not the definition of a hoe. The definition of a hoe is someone who sleeps around.
Actually, that makes MC a hoe and not D. If you want to be incensed, be incensed that MC is (If you take those routes) sleeping with Elena, Jennifer, Georgina, etc. all while guiding (at best, or manipulating) D towards sex.
- Jun 2, 2017
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Btw, I gave you a nod on my last tumblr posting. I know we disagree on some timing issues in DMD, and I posted some while back my opinion on the increased speeed of advancement caused by their post Chapter 1 separation.
- Jun 11, 2017
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5 days on counting for 26 th of august
- Apr 9, 2018
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Wow! Casablanca! Great movie! Didnt understand why its considered one of the best works ever made by Hollywood till i watched it.
Sir, I give you props for watching Casablanca and for even pulling names out.
- Aug 17, 2018
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Really good game. The build up is really nice, and there is content besides the daughter. Looking forward to see what will be done in the future.
Yeah, I mean I played recently a lot of the game Summertime Saga and its a great game but everything and everyone is very similar, their looks(i don't like them), characters etc, but here we have content to choose and very different girls who interact and create interesting events just with their interactions, same thing is in Melody(great different girls).
Another game i like is My Sweet Neighbors, but I have to admit, the girls there are also very similar(same body types/breats/ass) and samey personalities, also makes their interactions less interesting. I mean, a Visual Novel like these, most of the game is about ineraction(sex or other stuff) with the characters... so i find this has to be the most focused part of the game.
- Mar 28, 2017
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Good for us that we don't looking for good story.We have Higurashi,Umineko and Fate series for that.
- Dec 30, 2017
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Not saying you are wrong about DMD not being Great Expectations (except for when D will get popped), and more character development could definitely have been done.
But at one point in his life Himmler was a chicken farmer. Outside appearances are not a true gauge of a person. F could have always been who he became after meeting D, but just never had the opportunity to show the darker side of his nature.
- Nov 11, 2017
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Some of this conversation is perhaps moot, considering any prior claims to artistic value in DMD have likely been squelched due to the Patreon-induced reduction in production scope.
That's not a cop-out, though: it's always been a curious blend of walk-through and titillating choices/paths for the player with some interesting buildup on the notion of how the emotional balloon of (adult)child-parent reunion would fallout after it has popped. This isn't high literature, it's an adult visual game with sex and all. But, it has some curious options we don't often find in other games that do make it stand out, I feel.
From what we've seen, the path of gradual, MC-influenced, D-naivety-enabled romance has grown from the ashes of both characters having cycles of self-doubt over their parallel, budding feelings of mutual (but originally questionable) attractions. In most of the VNs with shared genres that I've seen, the leap into sex between relatives is far more jarring and hormonal.
That this story has grown like a slow, reluctant - but inevitable - case story for the theory of Genetic Sexual Attraction is interesting, partly because we've also been given "side show" outlets of supporting characters to potentially relieve the tension and anxiety potentially felt as we experience the slow evolution of our two protagonists. Heck, some people care as much (or even more) about Elena than D! Yet, if you look at this tale's path, it's D and MC who have evolved the most: from budding admiration and ill-fitting attractions - with self-analyses which originally fought to contain their inner urges - into a full-fledged, romantic couple on a mission of love - the rest of the world be damned. Yet, the rest of the world is either for them or against them, no in-betweens . . . because others have not forgotten they are related, even though the couple evidently has put that well behind themselves and view that reality as more of an inconvenience than anything of great moral or legal significance to otherwise address.
So, no: it's not *great* literature. But, it's a fun VN and somewhat unique in its development compared to others I have played, with a still-compelling storyline. It's not made of the best characterizations nor the worst, but as a first effort by MrDots' production house, a neat gem with which to start out a potential business. I like the characters and the roles they play, warts in their dialogue + some choices (especially by D) and all. It's fantasy with *just enough* suspension of disbelief to keep us entertained, perhaps.
Again, if MrDots or others made grand claims early on to the level of artistry we'd experience, at least some of that has surely been lost as the story necessarily used the separation as catalyst for taking their warming romance and newfound physicality to the next level of longing to become life-affirming desire - perhaps purposefully, as that's a real stage in real-world romances. Maybe it would have happened later if there was more time, possibly delayed by more conflicts that a longer production schedule could allow. But, as stated here many times over, we lost a potential Chapter 3 that could have explored the ramifications of this "wild love" stage and how it may/may not be GSA-related through self-inflicted hardships between them and by D finding a larger world by virtue of having newly widened lenses to focus on such, for example. So, some choices had to be made in getting to the meat of the primary path faster, while still integrating ancillary characters with some reasonable hardships to maintain suspense along the way. At least, that's my guess
The rest of any high-fallutin' claims made? Eh, marketing and honest hopes, I figure. I wouldn't hold that against people if we're otherwise entertained and have things to debate and/or look forward to with each release. While each of us has their own standards when it comes to these games, I feel that each chapter needs to have meaning and advance the storylines adequately for our speculations to remain high and hopes to remain afloat. It would be great if that can continue to the end, because all this discussion means we remain interested in what may occur in the next installment.
That's not a cop-out, though: it's always been a curious blend of walk-through and titillating choices/paths for the player with some interesting buildup on the notion of how the emotional balloon of (adult)child-parent reunion would fallout after it has popped. This isn't high literature, it's an adult visual game with sex and all. But, it has some curious options we don't often find in other games that do make it stand out, I feel.
From what we've seen, the path of gradual, MC-influenced, D-naivety-enabled romance has grown from the ashes of both characters having cycles of self-doubt over their parallel, budding feelings of mutual (but originally questionable) attractions. In most of the VNs with shared genres that I've seen, the leap into sex between relatives is far more jarring and hormonal.
That this story has grown like a slow, reluctant - but inevitable - case story for the theory of Genetic Sexual Attraction is interesting, partly because we've also been given "side show" outlets of supporting characters to potentially relieve the tension and anxiety potentially felt as we experience the slow evolution of our two protagonists. Heck, some people care as much (or even more) about Elena than D! Yet, if you look at this tale's path, it's D and MC who have evolved the most: from budding admiration and ill-fitting attractions - with self-analyses which originally fought to contain their inner urges - into a full-fledged, romantic couple on a mission of love - the rest of the world be damned. Yet, the rest of the world is either for them or against them, no in-betweens . . . because others have not forgotten they are related, even though the couple evidently has put that well behind themselves and view that reality as more of an inconvenience than anything of great moral or legal significance to otherwise address.
So, no: it's not *great* literature. But, it's a fun VN and somewhat unique in its development compared to others I have played, with a still-compelling storyline. It's not made of the best characterizations nor the worst, but as a first effort by MrDots' production house, a neat gem with which to start out a potential business. I like the characters and the roles they play, warts in their dialogue + some choices (especially by D) and all. It's fantasy with *just enough* suspension of disbelief to keep us entertained, perhaps.
Again, if MrDots or others made grand claims early on to the level of artistry we'd experience, at least some of that has surely been lost as the story necessarily used the separation as catalyst for taking their warming romance and newfound physicality to the next level of longing to become life-affirming desire - perhaps purposefully, as that's a real stage in real-world romances. Maybe it would have happened later if there was more time, possibly delayed by more conflicts that a longer production schedule could allow. But, as stated here many times over, we lost a potential Chapter 3 that could have explored the ramifications of this "wild love" stage and how it may/may not be GSA-related through self-inflicted hardships between them and by D finding a larger world by virtue of having newly widened lenses to focus on such, for example. So, some choices had to be made in getting to the meat of the primary path faster, while still integrating ancillary characters with some reasonable hardships to maintain suspense along the way. At least, that's my guess
The rest of any high-fallutin' claims made? Eh, marketing and honest hopes, I figure. I wouldn't hold that against people if we're otherwise entertained and have things to debate and/or look forward to with each release. While each of us has their own standards when it comes to these games, I feel that each chapter needs to have meaning and advance the storylines adequately for our speculations to remain high and hopes to remain afloat. It would be great if that can continue to the end, because all this discussion means we remain interested in what may occur in the next installment.
- Nov 11, 2017
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Nobody cops to the role of poetic license! They probably wanted great things and this is the best they could do.
Imagine you made these hopeful claims - and, they were indeed hopeful and marketing tactics of a new production team - but then a relative minority of (strong) critics pointed out your potential flaws. And, you wanted to address such things but at the same time felt the critiques were missing the point (because, hey - it's your creation and others seem good with it), but weren't sure if it was worth the effort to make changes to the production model or not.
I can see creators getting defensive of their work product at that point - at least, in the sense of defending by explanation of their intent and how they felt it has been accomplished or planned by that point.
They shouldn't get too harsh, I agree - but, let's face it: sometimes people have extreme bones to pick, while others have honest work to defend. There's conflict built into that setup when expectations on both sides are not meeting. I'm not saying it's reasonable, but it's there and will occur in places like this.
You can grind on this point as long as you want, but is it truly constructive at this stage or merely tilting at the ghost of a windmill from the past? Mistakes were made: they weren't necessarily the worst errors in judgment, but they happened. And still, things have continued with many followers still riding along to see what comes next. So, for all of that prior clashing, we continue to have DMD installments and debate on what's coming next in light of prior chapters. I don't see a great need to gyrate on prior conflicts at this point because of poor expectation-setting and online skirmishes, because it seems most of that team and its fans have moved on.
That doesn't mean it's not instructive for future game development/developers to learn from these experiences and for this particular production team to improve on their model of game quality + fan communications, but at this point in DMD it just doesn't feel relevant to me any longer. I'm willing to be influenced, though.
I wish, I could swap D with E (or J). Love the story so far, but J is the sweetest and E is also very cute, whilst D is just ...Baby-Doll for Porn. Just my opinion!
I think she's cute and great, but yeah i also like Elena and Jen more, don't know if i would swap them, but maybe so we could get some more time with them! Still i also think their storys right now is really interesting and fits them, and that the daughter somehow ties the 3 of them together..
But yeah, i also want more time with them, but don't know how we would do that storywise.
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