AI generated art

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bigbobby0940

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Well it's finally happened. AI generated art is just vastly superior to whatever humans can draw, never mind the artists who make porn games lmao.

What do you all think will be the implications this has on video games here and better yet, how will patreon milkers manage to maintain their 5 month update output?
 

jamdan

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Nothing. AI programs are good for one-off pieces and a fun thing to mess around with, not making VN's that require some consistency and bigger quantity of images.

Your last sentence makes me think this isn't a serious topic though. Unless you actually do think AI can make VN's.
 

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Indeed, what will we do now that all those 2 year old toddlers running patreons are outdone by AI?
Humanity BTFO.

Although, this is DALLE MINI. The full model and stuff like Diffusion and Midnight Jounrey do have some promising stuff. Of course Dalle, already has censorship inbuilt so actual adult content will be difficult. I think the most promising approach I have seen to make productive use of this is to take something like taking a render with Koikatsu and then turning it into an "anime drawing".
In general the technology is still too immature and on a similar level like AI generated text like Novel AI. You can do some funny stuff but the lack of consistency makes a human editor/co-writer necessary.
 

bigbobby0940

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Here is an AI generated pokemon:
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Good luck with that.
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Indeed, what will we do now that all those 2 year old toddlers running patreons are outdone by AI?
Humanity BTFO.

Although, this is DALLE MINI. The full model and stuff like Diffusion and Midnight Jounrey do have some promising stuff. Of course Dalle, already has censorship inbuilt so actual adult content will be difficult. I think the most promising approach I have seen to make productive use of this is to take something like taking a render with Koikatsu and then turning it into an "anime drawing".
In general the technology is still too immature and on a similar level like AI generated text like Novel AI. You can do some funny stuff but the lack of consistency makes a human editor/co-writer necessary.
Cute.

Here's the reality -

Sorry, but not sorry
 

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While AI may not be ready for prime time just yet, and here I talk mostly about the actual "writing" part, I have literally zero doubt that AI will eventually reach a level where it could easily make a VN that is not worse than your average game you can find here.

Sure, there have been countless jokes about the failed promises of AI in the past, but the field has made some real progress.

So yes, creative artists starting their careers today may almost certainly eventually get real competition by AI in their lifetime. It will disrupt human society like few other things before.

Of course we're not quite there yet, especially language is difficult to grasp and ideally you would require an AI that "understands" what it is writing. which - as of now - it doesn't. And one very hard problem is that of consciousness, since we don't even really understand that in humans. Does it emerge automatically once a system reaches a certain level of complexity? Does it require some yet unknown quantum interactions in the brain (as is suggested by some, others reject that idea)? Can simulated neurons even develop such a thing as consciousness to begin with? Or does it require some unknown biological component (see quantum interactions in the brain)?

But expert systems using deep learning etc. will certainly become (already are) helpful tools even before AI becomes more powerful, like with image creating. Writing maybe not as much, since that is a lot harder to do.
 

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Putting aside OP being needlessly rude, exaggeratory, and confrontational, I've been using a lot of different ai art generation methods as part of the porn game project I've been working on for a while now. Mostly stuff like backgrounds. It requires a lot of working and reworking, fiddling with prompts and the like, and even then I often have to spend a decent amount of time taking an end result and working it over with various image edit tricks, but it is actually working out decently. Surprisingly, I do feel as though I have managed to patch together a semi-decent and semi-consistent art style, which is nice because I'm not an artist, just a guy who knows how to use GIMP.

With that said, all of the above is referring to non-porn assets so far. I'm sure that there will be options for this eventually, but currently I'm not aware of any good model for generating good looking porn. In the future, I will most likely end up needing to find an artist who can slot into my already existing art style to fill that gap, which may end up more expensive than I'd like, but at the same time it would offload a lot of ai wrangling asset creation work from me, which may or may not be worth the cost. Plus, I do like the idea of artists being able to get paid for their work.

Still, it will definitely get to a point eventually where this will be an issue eventually. "AI is going to take your job" has been on the horizon for a lot of different fields for a long time now. Not really exclusive to porn game art specifically. It just matters how society reacts once we reach that point... Whenever it finally happens.
 
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So yes, creative artists starting their careers today may almost certainly eventually get real competition by AI in their lifetime. It will disrupt human society like few other things before.
There was an article questioning if AI should be given credit for the works that it generates. What the piece wasfocused on is not just portraits and other sutff but also Music. Few Countries have agreed to this pattent but not all thankfully as this would kind of supress the freedom of expression. So this leaves the question can AI generate creativity...
 

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Due to the craziness that took place with AID, pretty confident to say that Dall-E won't be taking over porn anytime soon. Not only is the technology not there yet, OpenAI and the corporate overlords would never allow it.
 
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Despite all the ridicule in the posts above me, I think it is a cause for alarm for any artist in any field. Visuals, stories, music an more. AI can now generate all of the above forms of art, with some surprising successes. There are also horrible, nightmare inducing results as well, so at their current level of quality the majority of 3d artists are far from threatened by Dall-E and its competitors. But it might change in the future. Might.

Having said that, nothing guarantees that the improvement in AI art's output will be linear, i.e. further improvement on the current quality of AI art might be exponentially difficult to pull off and the current quality threatens only stock image brokers. Furthermore, the current AI gatekeepers prohibit the creation of porn: this may or may not change in the future.

As a 3d artist, where I want to see AI is helping me: I want to describe the scene in a few words, have he AI generate and position the characters and then let me take over. It's hard to fathom how much time is wasted on tasks such as getting one character to hold another character's wrist, for example. If AI could take care of that for me, it would greatly expedite the speed of creating images.
 

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Despite all the ridicule in the posts above me, I think it is a cause for alarm for any artist in any field. Visuals, stories, music an more. AI can now generate all of the above forms of art, with some surprising successes. There are also horrible, nightmare inducing results as well, so at their current level of quality the majority of 3d artists are far from threatened by Dall-E and its competitors. But it might change in the future. Might.
I join you, but with less concerns.

AIs will only become a threat only for artists that rely only on stand alone creations. Yes, one day an AI will probably be able to do paintings like, hmm let's say . But it's only his paintings that the AI will be able to mimic, not his comics. Not because an AI will never be able to write a story, but it will always lack the constancy needed to illustrate it.
Generating an image isn't the same thing than generating a series of images that will depict a coherent action. To reach such level of constancy, the AI would have the not generate the scene, but to works like any 3D artists, even if the result is expected to looks like 2D drawings. It's only by relying on meshes elements that the AI would be able to have locations and characters that looks exactly the same in every single scenes of the story.

Of course, technically speaking, it's not impossible. But it mean that the AI will be coupled to a 3D rendering software that it will fully control. It's a lot of works, way more than just developing an AI or a 3D software (that are both already tons of works). And I guess (hope ?) that humans will awake and say "stop, before you continue, what's the interest exactly ?", before humanity reach this step.
Because, yes, what's the interest ? Actually AI generated images serve a purpose, they permit to develop AI themselves ; how far can an AI reproduce an unscripted procedure is important if we want autonomous AI. But that's all. We don't need more images, like we don't need more games (adults or not), music, books, movies, whatever arts-like creations.
And with AI expected to give us more free time (yeah, I live in a world where the future is an utopia), we will not lack of humans to create them ; and therefore don't need AI to replace them.


Having said that, nothing guarantees that the improvement in AI art's output will be linear, i.e. further improvement on the current quality of AI art might be exponentially difficult to pull off and the current quality threatens only stock image brokers.
It will surely not be linear. So far, in all History no technology (whatever how complex or simple it was) have ever had a linear evolution. There's no reason for AI to be different.
In fact, this is even more true when it's computer based technologies. They are caped by both the computing power and the algorithms. The technology advance step by step, each time someone have the right idea, the one that suddenly unlock a new possibilities. But there isn't tons of guys like that, and in between peoples just play around the last unlocked possibility.
 
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AI at this point is really only good for texturing/filtering to add a certain look. yes they can make impressive looking images, but they're very random and repetitive in the way that is the opposite of being a proficient artist. it's like taking a photo of something and thinking it's better than a portrait painting. the reality is the photo is just the beginning, and the artists takes that as reference and improves it vastly with his knowlegde and experience. AI is copying that photo part of the equation, not the artist part.

the AI doesn't understand that process, and I don't mean in any existential philosophical way. it simply lacks even rudimentary tools to understand what an artist does. what it does instead is break up the image in frequencies, classifies them in a space with as many dimensions as there are pixels, then interpolates things into one. it doesn't even attempt to create new things, it just replicates the input with slight variations. which makes it random in ways that you don't usually want in your VN image. because you want control, you want things to be EXACTLY where you want them.
 

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But it's only his paintings that the AI will be able to mimic, not his comics.
That entirely depends, in my opinion, on one thing... will AI eventually gain true consciousness, i.e. will it be an "artificial" human, however with the added ability for self-improvement and much higher computational speeds, that is, it can change and improve its own algorithms, learn new things without external input? If yes, then no such restrictions will exist anymore.

If no... then the AI will only be able to generate what it was trained to do. We've had AI algorithms that could compose music in the style of Bach ages ago... but of course it could only compose pieces in the style of Bach, nothing else, since these algorithms have no understanding of what they do. Just like Deep Blue was only great at chess and fails miserably when you ask it to play poker or to please make a cup of coffee. These algorithms understand nothing about the things they are trained for.

Should AI ever be able to understand what it does (i.e. it has gained consciousness), should there ever be strong generalized AI, then human culture will be disrupted like never before, it would be a world changing event. And the arts would only be one field heavily affected by it. And the next question is which country would achieve it first? China? The US?

The verdict is still out on this one though. Many AI researchers will probably say it's only a matter of time. But as I said in my other post we don't even really know yet how consciousness works in humans, will it just emerge all by itself eventually? Does it have certain prerequisites we don't understand yet and that can't be easily replicated using silicon and software?
If it will just emerge by itself once you reach a certain complexity we will have strong generalized AI that can do anything and will be a lot faster and better than any human rather sooner than later.

But for now artists merely have more or less helpful tools at their disposal, AI is no real threat yet.
 
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it doesn't even attempt to create new things, it just replicates the input with slight variations.
This is the main difference and why AI couldn't be further from replacing artists in a near future.

Right now AI works with a giant database copying and pasting existing artworks into a new image. But it has zero creativity and has no idea what it is doing even, it just does what it is told without understanding why it is doing it.

There are technologies unrelated to AI that are helping artists much more than any AI ever will, things like DALL-E are a nice gimmick but good luck trying to extract any consistency out of it as you would need to create a full game.

Sure it could help inspire some artists, but replacing them? not really.
 

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Something that might work is taking AI art, cutting it up and fixing it, then painting over it. but I think it'll still be bruteforcing through hundreds of tries before you get anything close to what you want.

it'll be like: "yeah, that's a cool picture of a mystical ass-faced wizard standing on a desert made of flower-skulls, but what I needed was a girl bending over at a well on a meadow."
 
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