27 of 30 Most Liked games are 3d VNs... ...Why, tho?

[Engelstein]

gggb?

Good Girl Gone Bad

 

[dusty stu]

So you're asking a free pirate porn site to manage what billion dollar platforms like Steam or Facebook can't? Are you serious?
Do you know how much effort has Facebook put into fighting fake accounts? Do you know how much talk there has been about twitter and facebook bots spreading fake news? Do you know how much discussion there's been about review bombing on Steam (which doesn't necessarily involve bots, but shows you how review systems can be abused)?
And you're asking the staff of this free porn site, all of whom work for free here, to tackle issues that are challenging internet giants that make millions upon millions of dollars and still haven't found a real solution?

Then f95 needs a bigger budget. Simple as that. Promote a pateon or similar. Ask users to donate more often. Don't be a dick about it, just make a humble post that explains how more funding could give better users experiences. Offer additional tiny rewards for being a supporter.

 

[dusty stu]

Good Girl Gone Bad

I see it's a 2d visual novel. Those are relatively rare. I haven't payed it, but I might check it out.

 

[Engelstein]

I see it's a 2d visual novel. Those are relatively rare. I haven't payed it, but I might check it out.

It's worth it due to how varied and deep the choices go and apparently it is getting close to being wrapped up.

 

[random.person]

Then f95 needs a bigger budget. Simple as that. Promote a pateon or similar. Ask users to donate more often. Don't be a dick about it, just make a humble post that explains how more funding could give better users experiences. Offer additional tiny rewards for being a supporter.

Didn't the example make it clear that the scale of the problem is way beyond the possibilities of this site and its community?
Facebook makes lot of money and they haven't figured this stuff yet. Do you seriously think we could raise enough money to rival their full time R&D department?

 

[W65]

Didn't the example make it clear that the scale of the problem is way beyond the possibilities of this site and its community?
Facebook makes lot of money and they haven't figured this stuff yet. Do you seriously think we could raise enough money to rival their full time R&D department?

Facebook and Amazon and all of them deal with the problem of fake content on a scale much larger than this site.

That said, this site's system for finding bad and fake reviews boils down to having users report them. They've said they don't exactly go out scouring reviews for ones that might be fake. They might do things to control sock puppet reviews behind the scenes, too, but we don't necessarily know what those are.

Having said that, do we even have proof that there's a problem with fake reviews on this site? Someone higher up than us would have to weigh in on that, I think.

 

[random.person]

Facebook and Amazon and all of them deal with the problem of fake content on a scale much larger than this site.

That said, this site's system for finding bad and fake reviews boils down to having users report them. They've said they don't exactly go out scouring reviews for ones that might be fake. They might do things to control sock puppet reviews behind the scenes, too, but we don't necessarily know what those are.

Having said that, do we even have proof that there's a problem with fake reviews on this site? Someone higher up than us would have to weigh in on that, I think.

On the difference of scale I totally agree. But that usually boils down to getting better servers. The problem they face at its core remains hard to crack: how to automatically detect non humans.
A lot of stuff has been tried and researched and I don't know if the latest reCaptcha has succeeded. I read they collect data about user interactions across the site and compare actions to those to figure out which ones are suspicious without needing further user input like the older captchas.

 

[iamnuff]

There are at least 10 games I've played which are really good that have less than 5 reviews. Overall number of reviews and likes is good for determining what's popular. It's not good for determining what is good quality.

Yeah, but if reviews actually did something and they were required to lift a thread out of the trashcan, then people would actually use them.

 

[iamnuff]

5 reviews are easy for anyone to get, just register 5 other accounts and post a review of game, you be surprised how many people would actually do this.

also u can easily get 5 friends to post review.

doesn't matter how it setup, there is no perfect system.

end of day, the best system is always trying game for yourself, after awhile you eventually pick up on what games you going like or not by just looking at the thread.

It's not so hard to ban sockpuppets, or atleast force people to use proxies.

Aside from that, 'trying' the games isn't the problem. You can recognise the shite on first glance. Often from the thread-title alone.
The problem is that it takes an inoridate ammount of effort to block every single one of those worthless threads, which makes it hard to find the threads for games that are actually decent.

 

[megaplayboy10k]

24 of 30 of the "most viewed' games have incest themes. 22 of 30 of the "most liked" games also have incest themes. 15 of 30 of the "most liked" 2dcg games have incest themes. 13 of 30 of the "most viewed" 2dcg games also have incest themes.
Aside from the aforementioned issues: creating good 2d art requires real artistic talent, it takes longer to generate art and animation per scene when doing 2d art, and by definition 2d art is more idiosyncratic and therefore more gamers might not like a particular art style than when dealing with "generic" DAZ3d or Honey Select models. I would additionally suggest that thematically, incest appears to be an extremely popular fetish here and it looks like proportionally fewer 2d games touch on it. Related themes such as "MILF" are also quite popular, and a lot of 2d stuff seems to move in more of a younger women or even loli direction.

 

[smut]

The insane focus on incest is probably what turns some people off these games as well. Although I think those oldest 3d models should be retired (those that are basically the same characters across games), I am perfectly fine with someone using semi old 3d graphics for telling a new and good story. So while I hope that better tools and better models arrive to make it easy to use better graphics, again creative storytelling and fresh themes is the most important to me.

For all the talk about markets and supply and demand, NO, incest fantasy/fetish is not that popular. It is probably more popular that many would like to admit, but there's no way this one little corner of the porn market accurately represents human fetishes. Its an anomaly and other fetishes will be better represented in the future even if incest stays 'big'. I hope we can get more varied games in order to keep the market and creators interested in making porn games, because right now its being cannibalized and that is not good for future interest and content.

 

[Notretsam]

It's not so hard to ban sockpuppets, or atleast force people to use proxies.

Aside from that, 'trying' the games isn't the problem. You can recognise the shite on first glance. Often from the thread-title alone.
The problem is that it takes an inoridate ammount of effort to block every single one of those worthless threads, which makes it hard to find the threads for games that are actually decent.

did you actually read my post in full? because if you had , you would read at end that I said, you generally learn to recognise if you like game or not , which is the same as you saying recognise the shite

as for rest of your post, it really isn't that hard to find things on this forum, you just have to be patient and search for it.

however if you want to find things instantly , otherwise have things handed to you, then yeah its not so hard to find stuff <<<that was sarcasm

 

[megaplayboy10k]

The insane focus on incest is probably what turns some people off these games as well. Although I think those oldest 3d models should be retired (those that are basically the same characters across games), I am perfectly fine with someone using semi old 3d graphics for telling a new and good story. So while I hope that better tools and better models arrive to make it easy to use better graphics, again creative storytelling and fresh themes is the most important to me.

For all the talk about markets and supply and demand, NO, incest fantasy/fetish is not that popular. It is probably more popular that many would like to admit, but there's no way this one little corner of the porn market accurately represents human fetishes. Its an anomaly and other fetishes will be better represented in the future even if incest stays 'big'. I hope we can get more varied games in order to keep the market and creators interested in making porn games, because right now its being cannibalized and that is not good for future interest and content.

Incest porn is a subset of milf porn and "barely legal" porn, and has the merit of being very easy to insert into a game. I don't know what the numbers are on Patreon, but I do know that there are incest games there with monthly support in the 5 figure range.
There's certainly markets for LBGT games and BDSM games and various kinks and fetishes. And there are both generic "MC seduces a bunch of women" and "MC develops a deep romantic/sexual relationship with 1 to 3+ women" games.
But a proper game, to me, has:
1. A story element
2. Character development
3. A challenge of some sort to be overcome

Incest themes easily meet these criteria. Other games, if they wish to fulfill the challenge element, have to define what the challenge is. Which of course is doable but it is a little bit of extra work.

 

[random.person]

The insane focus on incest is probably what turns some people off these games as well. Although I think those oldest 3d models should be retired (those that are basically the same characters across games), I am perfectly fine with someone using semi old 3d graphics for telling a new and good story. So while I hope that better tools and better models arrive to make it easy to use better graphics, again creative storytelling and fresh themes is the most important to me.

For all the talk about markets and supply and demand, NO, incest fantasy/fetish is not that popular. It is probably more popular that many would like to admit, but there's no way this one little corner of the porn market accurately represents human fetishes. Its an anomaly and other fetishes will be better represented in the future even if incest stays 'big'. I hope we can get more varied games in order to keep the market and creators interested in making porn games, because right now its being cannibalized and that is not good for future interest and content.

Your statements about the abundance of incest themes being an anomaly and this part of the porn market not representing human fetishes are petitiones principii. You are not providing anything to prove that point, you are merely stating it, which makes those only opinions.

So, what does make you say that? Do you have figures? Do you have sources? Is there a reasoning behind it? How do you then explain this "anomaly"?

 

[smut]

The proportionality is different in other porn mediums like movies, magazines, written erotica, etc. And it was different in porn games earlier. I've witnessed this since the 90s. Things change with the times and with the mediums. This too shall pass, if you will..

I'm not trying to deny its popularity, I'm just trying to put it in perspective. Its absolutely massive on this forum right now, and that doesn't say much about fetishes in general, but it says alot about the combination of game engines, ease of access, the specific demographics on this site, and creativity among this demographic and those that cater to them.