27 of 30 Most Liked games are 3d VNs... ...Why, tho?

[smut]

One thing trumps everything for me: Storytelling

The Ren'py format and similar are often the best fit for storytelling, but it doesn't have to be. HTML text games can work well too. Its not necessary about the images. I dislike needlessly complicated mechanics like RPGM and RAGS because they steal time and make it harder to navigate, but that doesn't mean I hate gameplay. Some of my favorite games are RPGM like Coceter Chronicles and Roundscape. One thing that really kills my enthusiasm is needless grinding, I'm here for the story. That doesn't mean that I'm impatient, a game can hold my attention with slow burn for a long time as long as its engaging, but I don't want it to waste my time.

 

[anne O'nymous]

27 of the top 30 most liked games on f95 are 3dcg Visual Novels.

Er... Personaly I wouldn't have said that "Long Live the Princess" is a VN. The definition can vary so I don't especially disagree with other games, but this one, seriously ?

 

[Pajonk]

I think the practical guess is the reason. Drawing 2d takes so much time therefore even when someone finishes that game it will probably lack in content. Like in every other market - people go for what's easy to manufacture and sells. Like the Chineese, they went for quantity over quality and flooded the world with their merchandise. 3d vns are that quantity (most of the time) while Summertime Saga is the quality and look how many years it will take to complete.

 

[N1K17Y]

why not tho ? its a porn game. the focus is porn. the most you can do is add a good story than not only will enhance the experience but it wont get in the way of the main focus - porn. how is it that making a porn game a first person shooter gonna make it a better game ?
if i want a racing game i will play NFS:U2, not need for a quickie: backseat adventures. there are rpg's porn but they hit serious limits because its a porn game. if i want to play RPG, ill play something that was made from dozens if not hundreds of people with 10+ years of experience in game making. not some drunk russian decided to make a game, but realized he is incompetent so he filled it with grinding.

 

[HopesGaming]

why not tho ? its a porn game. the focus is porn. the most you can do is add a good story than not only will enhance the experience but it wont get in the way of the main focus - porn. how is it that making a porn game a first person shooter gonna make it a better game ?
if i want a racing game i will play NFS:U2, not need for a quickie: backseat adventures. there are rpg's porn but they hit serious limits because its a porn game. if i want to play RPG, ill play something that was made from dozens if not hundreds of people with 10+ years of experience in game making. not some drunk russian decided to make a game, but realized he is incompetent so he filled it with grinding.

Nothing wrong with your way of wanting it. Nor the people that want a story/rpg.
In their mind, they ask the same question as you would do. Just on the other end of the spectrum.
'Why not just watch a porn video and maybe a porn video with a bit of story in it. If I wanted to play with my wee wee I would watch or read something made by people with 10+ years of experience in the adult market. And not some drunk Russian who decided to make a porn feast game.'

Point is - people enjoy different stuff. And neither side is wrong. Since in the end, it is about the individual's enjoyment. The issue only comes when one side decided that his side is the only right way. And go to threads in which the games are made the way he/she does not prefer and go on a tantrum why he does not like the game.
I've seen that happen with games that focus on the porn side and I've seen that with games that focus on the story side (my own included)

 

[darlic]

I'm with team "answer n. 3"

 

[Notretsam]

why not tho ? its a porn game. the focus is porn. the most you can do is add a good story than not only will enhance the experience but it wont get in the way of the main focus - porn. how is it that making a porn game a first person shooter gonna make it a better game ?
if i want a racing game i will play NFS:U2, not need for a quickie: backseat adventures. there are rpg's porn but they hit serious limits because its a porn game. if i want to play RPG, ill play something that was made from dozens if not hundreds of people with 10+ years of experience in game making. not some drunk russian decided to make a game, but realized he is incompetent so he filled it with grinding.

not every dev makes porn games though, some make "Erotic Visual Novels" which is a story with sex scenes, porn is basically sex scenes with little story.

heck some games don't even have a sex scene.

as HopesGaming correctly states, it mainly comes down to opinion and individual likes/dislikes.

 

[N1K17Y]

not every dev makes porn games though, some make "Erotic Visual Novels" which is a story with sex scenes, porn is basically sex scenes with little story.

heck some games don't even have a sex scene.

as HopesGaming correctly states, it mainly comes down to opinion and individual likes/dislikes.

you can call it whatever you like. for me if it has explicit sex scenes its porn. whether it has a (good) story or not is a separate thing

 

[Notretsam]

you can call it whatever you like. for me if it has explicit sex scenes its porn. whether it has a (good) story or not is a separate thing

so basically your saying any movie that has a sex scene is porn? so guess they movies that have a sex scene where nothing is seen is porn as well? yeah, that is a big time no.

 

[iamnuff]

To be honest, it's not just 3d games. The site has a huge-issue with bottom-tier trash clogging up the forum so that you can't find anything that's actually good.

They outnumber actual games by 10-to-1 and they almost all have either badly drawn cartoon style art, or low-effort uncanny 3d models.
It's all games about plowing your mom/daughter/sister and they're all on alpha version 0.0.0.0.9. The 3d models are the shitty low-quality ones that makes the men look like crack addicts and the women look like blow up dolls.

I assume it's just people shitting out an alpha build as quickly as possible so they can justify setting a patreon up.

Frankly, I think the forum needs a trashcan subforum where all games go by default until they have at least five reviews.

If it's a decent game then people will jump in to pull them out, and everything that nobody gives enough of a shit about to review can wallow in the trash where it belongs instead of blocking access to much more interesting content.

 

[c3p0]

To be honest, it's not just 3d games. The site has a huge-issue with bottom-tier trash clogging up the forum so that you can't find anything that's actually good.

I'm talking games with broken english or outright gibberish names that are on version 0.0.1 or some shit. They outnumber actual games by 10-to-1 and they almost all have either badly drawn cartoon style art, or low-effort uncanny 3d models.

I assume it's just people shitting out an alpha build as quickly as possible so they can justify setting a patreon up.

Sure, can be, but aren't all the time. Also a lot of the games are in development and of course, if they are updated they pop up more often than the game that are finished.

And not everyone have the same talent and most times you beginn your journey as a one man show. Thus even if you're the best storyteller of the world, if you sucks in the other departments the game will be quiet bad. But if you release what you have, perhaps someone thinks he can help you to improve in the departments you fail or your supporters see the potential of the game and support you even all the other aspect sucks.

Frankly, I think the forum needs a trashcan subforum where all games go by default until they have at least five reviews.

If it's a decent game then people will jump in to pull them out, and everything that nobody gives enough of a shit about to review can wallow in the trash where it belongs instead of blocking access to much more interesting content.

Five fast reviews with none substance at all and the game will be move to the "better" category? "We" even aren't united at how a review, that earn his name, shloud be. So based on five undefined reviews the game would be released from the forum "recyling bin"?

 

[fidless]

I've played my share of jp vn etc. Kinda bored of that same anime art thus I started liking more realistic look. Though there's plenty of bad looking 3d games, no lighting whatsoever etc. But the same goes with anime art style. Anyways, I dont care if its 3d or anime as long as it has good writing, solid characters and some gameplay mechanics instead of just clicking throught the text.
And also 3d is easier to make+westerners are less into anime/cartoons/drawn arts+western nsfw game space is still amaturish, that's why there's so many daz3d games out there.

 

[iamnuff]

And not everyone have the same talent and most times you beginn your journey as a one man show. Thus even if you're the best storyteller of the world, if you sucks in the other departments the game will be quiet bad. But if you release what you have, perhaps someone thinks he can help you to improve in the departments you fail or your supporters see the potential of the game and support you even all the other aspect sucks.

Ones that go somewhere will eventually not be version 0.0.01 of Sisterfucker Deluxe or whatever generic title it has.
The fact remains that for every game that does progress past that stage, there will be thirty more fresh pieces of trash.

Not to mention, many of them are dead-ends from the start, and the ones that are tend to be very obvious about it.

Five fast reviews with none substance at all and the game will be move to the "better" category? "We" even aren't united at how a review, that earn his name, shloud be. So based on five undefined reviews the game would be released from the forum "recyling bin"?

You'd need atleast five users to think it's even worth the ten seconds to give it a review. Most of them aren't, which is why most of them have zero reviews.

Maybe have a minimum review score in addition to the number, so that if all you're pulling is 2 stars, you'd need more people.
And of course anyone who sockpuppets to review their own game multiple times should get an immediate lifelong ban.

And no, I don't think that this would actually seperate the good from the bad, but it should atleast cut out the majority of the actual worthless trash.

 

[forbidden101v]

I believe you should add this to your list of theories.

6. [Shit Taste Theory] The inability to discriminate between good and bad qualities towards a subject. It's more common than one thinks. Majority of F95Zone user base is possibly affected by this.

Shit taste in action

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Jokes aside, I have no idea why 3dcg vn's are popular other than guesses like they look more realistic than cartoons but most are daz stuff with stock models and mildly irk me with how soulless they look.

 

[Notretsam]

To be honest, it's not just 3d games. The site has a huge-issue with bottom-tier trash clogging up the forum so that you can't find anything that's actually good.

They outnumber actual games by 10-to-1 and they almost all have either badly drawn cartoon style art, or low-effort uncanny 3d models.
It's all games about plowing your mom/daughter/sister and they're all on alpha version 0.0.0.0.9. The 3d models are the shitty low-quality ones that makes the men look like crack addicts and the women look like blow up dolls.

I assume it's just people shitting out an alpha build as quickly as possible so they can justify setting a patreon up.

Frankly, I think the forum needs a trashcan subforum where all games go by default until they have at least five reviews.

If it's a decent game then people will jump in to pull them out, and everything that nobody gives enough of a shit about to review can wallow in the trash where it belongs instead of blocking access to much more interesting content.

5 reviews are easy for anyone to get, just register 5 other accounts and post a review of game, you be surprised how many people would actually do this.

also u can easily get 5 friends to post review.

doesn't matter how it setup, there is no perfect system.

end of day, the best system is always trying game for yourself, after awhile you eventually pick up on what games you going like or not by just looking at the thread.

 

[dusty stu]

5 reviews are easy for anyone to get, just register 5 other accounts and post a review of game, you be surprised how many people would actually do this.

also u can easily get 5 friends to post review.

doesn't matter how it setup, there is no perfect system.

end of day, the best system is always trying game for yourself, after awhile you eventually pick up on what games you going like or not by just looking at the thread.

Hmm.
I disagree. Technology exists to curtail fake reviews. f95 Just needs to put in more effort, funding, and or manpower into the site to impliment anti-bot techniques.

I also disagree about best way to find new games. Reviews are a critical tool for deciding if a game is worth a try. But if most reviews are "i love the bigtits mom. epic story i cry every time" then no new information can be collected.

My criteria for trying a new game:
1. It has some of the tags I like and doesn't have too many tags I don't like
2. It's not censored and not machine translated.
3. The screenshots look appealing.
4. At least one reviewer left a long-form review discussing the pros and cons. One long review is worth twenty 1-sentence reviews.
5. The game summery sounds appealing.
6. It has a working DL link (duh).
7. Game has a good opening hook. IE, The first five minutes of the game don't leave me confused or feeling like it's going to take five hours to get to the sex scenes.
8. If the game is in early access and being consistany updated, I'll put it on my watch list, otherwise I'll drop it forever.

 

[Engelstein]

I'm genuinely surprised GGGB wasn't on that list.

 

[dusty stu]

Ones that go somewhere will eventually not be version 0.0.01 of Sisterfucker Deluxe or whatever generic title it has.
The fact remains that for every game that does progress past that stage, there will be thirty more fresh pieces of trash.

Not to mention, many of them are dead-ends from the start, and the ones that are tend to be very obvious about it.

You'd need atleast five users to think it's even worth the ten seconds to give it a review. Most of them aren't, which is why most of them have zero reviews.

Maybe have a minimum review score in addition to the number, so that if all you're pulling is 2 stars, you'd need more people.
And of course anyone who sockpuppets to review their own game multiple times should get an immediate lifelong ban.

And no, I don't think that this would actually seperate the good from the bad, but it should atleast cut out the majority of the actual worthless trash.

There are at least 10 games I've played which are really good that have less than 5 reviews. Overall number of reviews and likes is good for determining what's popular. It's not good for determining what is good quality.

 

[random.person]

Hmm.
I disagree. Technology exists to curtail fake reviews. f95 Just needs to put in more effort, funding, and or manpower into the site to impliment anti-bot techniques.

So you're asking a free pirate porn site to manage what billion dollar platforms like Steam or Facebook can't? Are you serious?
Do you know how much effort has Facebook put into fighting fake accounts? Do you know how much talk there has been about twitter and facebook bots spreading fake news? Do you know how much discussion there's been about review bombing on Steam (which doesn't necessarily involve bots, but shows you how review systems can be abused)?
And you're asking the staff of this free porn site, all of whom work for free here, to tackle issues that are challenging internet giants that make millions upon millions of dollars and still haven't found a real solution?

 

[dusty stu]

I'm genuinely surprised GGGB wasn't on that list.

gggb?