Ntr OR Harem

[Meaning Less]

1 guy made a joke about the developer being evil for putting ntr and incest in the same game. 3 people asked if the ntr would be avoidable. and thats it. thats what threw that cuck into a rage. when i mentioned this, having literally counted every single post (it was a short thread and i had nothing better to do with my time that ruin some betas day), i was also attacked.

Because you might not know but many threads go through shitstorms and pages of comments are deleted.

So you might think it was only 1 post but usually they go on for pages until being deleted... So yeah, on this note you probably were uninformed.

Also many of those people "defending" ntr aren't even into ntr themselves, they are just tired of seeing people crying about it in every thread. But you calling that person a "cuck" clearly signals that you already made up your mind about him...

 

[Joeburqa]

Because you might not know but many threads go through shitstorms and pages of comments are deleted.

So you might think it was only 1 post but usually they go on for pages until being deleted... So yeah, on this note you probably were uninformed.

Also many of those people "defending" ntr aren't even into ntr themselves, they are just tired of seeing people crying about it in every thread. But you calling that person a "cuck" clearly signals that you already made up your mind about him...

no it was literally a brand new post, started several hours prior to when i stumbled upon it. i did mention that it was a very short thread. it was like 3 pages at most. its actually also someone i have seen make the same arguments prior to that in other threads. not uninformed. way to make up your mind about me without having any of the facts....

 

[Joeburqa]

I made it one sentence far. Can anyone summarize?

yeah, i get it, reading is difficult. most people learn at an early age, but you should never stop trying to learn!

 

[Joeburqa]

TL;DR: someone asked about ntr in a thread (about the avoidable-ness), ntr fans got uppity the question was asked and acted like victims of oppression.

Add some hyperbole and ad hominem.

thats... pretty much exactly it. you just got there in a less fun manner, albeit more efficient. maybe without a little unnecessary nuance and flair i added. and the hyperbole was mostly limited to things about the guys physical appearance, which i can only guess at. most of the rest was relatively accurate, even if it was shortened to one large ranting paragraph as opposed to the 5 or 6 page shitstorm it became before some mods went in and chopped out about half of the thread.

 

[E_O_N]

yeah, i get it, reading is difficult. most people learn at an early age, but you should never stop trying to learn!

Some want their games to have no competition against antagonists and be easy. I want my readings to have no competition against grammar and be easy.

 

[Chalker]

Everyone please be nice.

 

[Joeburqa]

Some want their games to have no competition against antagonists and be easy. I want my readings to have no competition against grammar and be easy.

fair enough. i could have added capital letters and some apostrophes to my contractions, if there were any. i normally avoid them. but i also never use apostrophes when i do use them. so you got me, i avoid shift and assume people can figure out that cant isnt really a word without the ' (see i did it there with the isnt, and there again, oh noes, the sentence makes no sense anymore). consider yourself free to ignore my posts. i wont be offended.

 

[Yngling]

So you are telling me that it is more likely to happen/realistic that you get a harem than catching someone cheating on you and leaving you for the other person or simply having an affair?

That's not what I am saying. I have no idea about how likely something is.

But there are instances where a wife is perfectly happy with her husband bringing another girl to the relationship. Like what happened in Triangle. I found that story to be perfectly believable.

Of course, the more people you try to add to the harem, the less realistic it becomes.

And the realism of incest is yet a whole other discussion.

 

[Ambir]

I made it one sentence far. Can anyone summarize?

Basically, what he said boils down to "Yes, harem/anti-ntr fan start shit, however he's seen NTR fans also start shit, so it's not fair to always bash on the anti-ntr crowd as the other side of the aisle is just as toxic."

That about sums it up.

 

[Uthuriel]

That's not what I am saying. I have no idea about how likely something is.

But there are instances where a wife is perfectly happy with her husband bringing another girl to the relationship. Like what happened in Triangle. I found that story to be perfectly believable.

Of course, the more people you try to add to the harem, the less realistic it becomes.

And the realism of incest is yet a whole other discussion.

Triangle is "sharing" though, the wife is bisexual and and so the MC basically got a second wife and he has children with both of them.

What made Triangle good is that Jenny was ready to stand up for her mistake and leave before she would have damaged the MCs and Sarahs relationship. Sarah on the other hand loves both her future husband and Jenny so she doesn't care if they have a TRIANGLE DUH DUH DUH going.

The models for the children look like demon spawn though...

Spoiler: be gone demon... back into the fiery pits of hell...

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[Yngling]

Triangle is "sharing" though, the wife is bisexual and and so the MC basically got a second wife and he has children with both of them.

I don't really want to discuss semantics, because that's not the point, but to me, sharing is more of a short term thing. Similar to swinging but where swinging should involve two couples, sharing can be with one additional person. Harem implies that all women are exclusive to the man and there is a long term commitment.

Not entirely sure if two girls already constitute a harem but anyway.

But on the plausible scale. I think NTR has the edge. It's more likely for your partner to cheat on you, than for your partner to be ok with involving others in the relationship. Especially since a large portion of that scenario would also be considered NTR by a lot of people (swinging, sharing etc.).

Involving another person in a relationship would also be a way to save the relationship.

For example, after having kids, for some women the sex drive decreases a lot. In order to prevent the husband from cheating, the wife could suggest he take a lover. If the wife can deal with that emotionally, that arrangement is beneficial for her and especially her children compared to cheating and/or divorce.

However, IRL, the second women would most likely remain the "other woman" and not become an equal member of the household. I do think that is actually fairly common.

Also for legal reasons, as you rightly mention. In most religions and jurisdictions, being married to more than one person is not allowed.

 

[Ramagar]

I will give my 2 cents on this. I do not mind NTR, as long as I am doing it and not having it done to me. I suspect that a lot of others think like I do.

 

[Uthuriel]

I don't really want to discuss semantics, because that's not the point, but to me, sharing is more of a short term thing. Similar to swinging but where swinging should involve two couples, sharing can be with one additional person. Harem implies that all women are exclusive to the man and there is a long term commitment.

Not entirely sure if two girls already constitute a harem but anyway.

Sharing is maybe the wrong word for this game it's called Triangle after all.
And MC and his two "wives" are in a strong long-term relationship and they have kids.
I wouldn't classify it as NTR but it's not really a harem either.
It's a cute little game though. I 'd recommend it.

 

[Meaning Less]

Not entirely sure if two girls already constitute a harem but anyway.

Spoiler, it doesn't, just look at the game tags...

Love triangles/polygons on the other hand are very common and it is exactly those complex relationships that can result in people feeling like they have been ntred.



And again, I'm not saying that ntr games are realistic because most aren't, but in general they are a bit less unrealistic if compared with things like harem.

Playing with a boring simp that assembles a harem makes no sense, but when that same simp gets cucked now the story makes a bit more sense.

 

[Wolf Larsen]

I will give my 2 cents on this. I do not mind NTR, as long as I am doing it and not having it done to me. I suspect that a lot of others think like I do.

Right, this is called "netori" (as opposed to "netotare"). I also like it if it is done right.

 

[Otaku Gamer]

It's all a matter of perspective, mate. You're right in saying there are a lot of bad harem games with no build up, i don't enjoy those kind of games either but at worst, they're just silly and don't offend anybody. NTR, on the other hand, is all about being betrayed and stirring up negative emotions and if you get off on that, then there is something seriously wrong with you in my opinion.

People like to insult harem games by reducing them to "collecting waifus like pokemon" but let's not pretend NTR games are any more realistic. Women in real life don't act like they do in NTR games. "That guy raped/blackmailed me for sex, should i tell my husband or go to the police? Nah, i'll just let him do it again because it felt so good!". If you enjoy this then whatever, it's fucking weird to me but you can't help what turns you on i guess just don't try to pretend like you're some kind of connoisseur and act as if you're better than harem fans.

That's what I wanted to say

 

[Catapo]

Reading through this thread made me realize something interesting.

As someone very nicely put it earlier NTR and Harem fans are 2 sides of the same coin. In fact we are so alike that we don't want to admit it because it hurts our egos or something.

> Harem: You take females for yourself in order to trigger positive feelings (a sense of acomplishment, conquer, etc.)
> NTR: The females are taken from you in order to trigger negative feelings (anger, jealousy, etc.)

> Harem: Females are creeped on, seduced, blackmailed or raped by the protagonist.
> NTR: Females are creeped on, seduced, blackmailed or raped by the antagonist.

Let's be honest both genres have unrealistic settings most of the time, and their fair share of shitty games. Obviously someone who likes harem games is not going to go out of their way to find good NTR games and vice versa. Players from both sides made their minds about the other genre already.

Taking a review from a random NTR game and claiming that 99% of NTR games are trash is an extremely dumb take because the same can be done to harem games.

Both player sides start unnecessary toxic shit in game threads so no arguments here.

I am on the NTR side so I expect to be called a 'cuck' that is why i suggest we call harem fans 'manwhores' to complete the parallels between us

This entire thread should just be let's agree to disagree.

 

[AnonymousUnique123]

Thats probably the craziest thing is the aversion to being called cucks when thats what they want in the game

Hmm, The problem is when people misuse that word to justify their hate over a fetish. I understand not understanding it or not liking but hating it?. When people use that word they mean we love the feeling of being humiliated when in fact(Speaking for myself), I don't feel humiliation at all. I don't like it, I don't seek it and You will not find any male mc in any ntr game or story that deliberately wants to be humiliated by the cucker. All Their eyes are glued to what's happening to the girl and their expressions, as if the cucker don't even exist. The Cucker is the instrument to break the girl and seeing her break is the goal in a different way compared to breaking her solo.

It's really not that hard to understand. If your girl cheats on you then you are cuck but that doesn't necessarily mean you like the humiliation. You just get angry and break up with her. Another way to use cuckold is a man who raises another man's child in the case of single mothers or widows. Does that mean the step father likes the humiliation? No. Is it humiliating? Debatable.

 

[Chalker]

> Harem: Females are creeped on, seduced, blackmailed or raped by the protagonist.

But that's quite literally not the case for the high majority of Harem games. Most of them are fully consensual from start to finish. Sure some have corruption elements but those are in the minority.

Majority of ntr falls into the type B and C categories (according to VNDB), which is all about the glorification and fetishising of rape.

Comparing the minority of harem games to the majority of NTR games and saying they're the same is simply inaccurate.

 

[E_O_N]

But that's quite literally not the case for the high majority of Harem games. Most of them are fully consensual from start to finish. Sure some have corruption elements but those are in the minority.

Majority of ntr falls into the type B and C categories (according to VNDB), which is all about the glorification and fetishising of rape.

Comparing the minority of harem games to the majority of NTR games and saying they're the same is simply inaccurate.

He has seduced in there, it's not just rape.
He just points out the similarities.

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