Akamari

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I wonder what L&P plan is if hes Patreon will get reviewed. And it will get reviewed.

Just this week 2 creators I support had their sites suspended, despite hardly having any dubious content.

I imagine if only L&P adds any sexual scene to the game with Sam Dylan or Ellie they will get to him.

I might be wrong but I dont see him having any countermeasures prepared for when this happens.

His Patreon had been spared so far becouse of lack of sexual content tbh.
Two devs that I saw under review recently were so because of public posts showing nudity. I don't think patreon monitors these games thoroughly, otherwise 90 % of those would have been banned already (or they turn blind eye). It's largely when someone reports forbidden content, they might take action. That can happen with this game though, I imagine there will be salty people who might decide to get revenge on the dev for making them wait so long.
 

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Two devs that I saw under review recently were so because of public posts showing nudity. I don't think patreon monitors these games thoroughly, otherwise 90 % of those would have been banned already (or they turn blind eye). It's largely when someone reports forbidden content, they might take action. That can happen with this game though, I imagine there will be salty people who might decide to get revenge on the dev for making them wait so long.
Having Mother in a title is allready something warranting investigation really ...
 
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Ionascu

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35 isnt old, what is with these people that think that ? even white people (who are statistically proven to age faster than other races) dont get gross till after 60+. if you read my entire post, thats why I said 70+, I have dated women that are 45+ when I was 18, and they were still firm, tight, and had all their teeth, no idea where people on this forum get the "make 35+ yr old moms look like old hags compared to their 18yr old daughters...I hope most of the people saying this are 12yr old virgins that havent touched a woman yet, and I mean a WOMAN, not a post teen GIRL...
Ok, i understand that... but is too early to discuss this. Because, at this point, i don"t really care what plans are in the future. Looking at the present, i really wish more than teasing, don't care with whom, just something... old guys, thugs, even discover life on Mars and they came and fucked Sophia...
 

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Yeah, I am afraid he will say "Fuck it, I am going back to my studies." And we'll stay here with "maximus blueballus" diagnosis.
That is my MAYOR concern.

I belive author is honest enought - that I belive his conviction to continue making this game for a long time.
But he is also honest about him making this game for money.
Will he continue to make the game if it will mean much lower revenue ?
Or will he change the direction of the game to totaly borring and stupid just to keep Patreon happy ?

There are ways to make Patreon back off while still creating the game as we - the fans of it want. But it is not always easy.
I guess we will have to see how he will react to this finaly happenning.
 

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Ok, i understand that... but is too early to discuss this. Because, at this point, i don"t really care what plans are in the future. Looking at the present, i really wish more than teasing, don't care with whom, just something... old guys, thugs, even discover life on Mars and they came and fucked Sophia...
I guess thats where we will agree to disagree on then...

If after waiting for so long and enjoying the slow burned this game is abandoned and the only sex scenes it has are with the fucking hobo scum, the black buff gym losers, or old people I'm gonna rage...

If the dev plans to cut off some paths cause he introduced too many characters, here is my recommendations for people that shouldn't get scenes...

1. Old Principal
2. Gym losers (the buff ones)
3. The Thugs//hobos
4. The scummy hoodrat students
5. The Latino cholos (only talked about so far)
6. The Triads of asiantown (only talked about so far)
7. The old grandpas (suggested side job)

Who SHOULD get paths that the fans of the game WANT to see...

1. Sam (he's at the top of most lists)
2. Ellie (super popular for most people)
3. Dylan
4. Sister
5. Soccer Mom
6. Maid
7. Newlywed Couple (old friends)
8. Neighbors (Highschool BFFs)
9. The good students in her class
10. The college boys from the Museum date
11. The handsome gym guys (trainer, and blonde dude Sophia thought was hot)
 
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HaDenG

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I guess thats where we will agree to disagree on then...

If after waiting for so long and enjoying the slow burned this game is abandoned and the only sex scenes it has are with the fucking hobo scum, the black buff gym losers, or old people I'm gonna rage...

If the dev plans to cut off some paths cause he introduced too many characters, here is my recommendations for people that shouldn't get scenes...

1. Old Principal
2. Gym losers (the buff ones)
3. The Thugs//hobos
4. The scummy hoodrat students
5. The Latino cholos (only talked about so far)
6. The Triads of asiantown (only talked about so far)
7. The old grandpas (suggested side job)

Who SHOULD get paths that the fans of the game WANT to see...

1. Sam (he's at the top of most lists)
2. Ellie (super popular for most people)
3. Dylan
4. Sister
5. Soccer Mom
6. Maid
7. Newlywed Couple (old friends)
8. Neighbors (Highschool BFFs)
9. The good students in her class
10. The college boys from the Museum date
11. The handsome gym guys (trainer, and blonde dude Sophia thought was hot)
with this list dev will be removing nonconsensual/forced/blackmail scenarios which people would like to see. especially after metro scene.

btw if dev is going to add incest scenes he should think about a patch or something. patreon mind police doesnt like incest and his page might get banned.
 

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with this list dev will be removing nonconsensual/forced/blackmail scenarios which people would like to see. especially after metro scene.

btw if dev is going to add incest scenes he should think about a patch or something. patreon mind police doesnt like incest and his page might get banned.
Dont quote me on this but didnt most devs say that as long as you avoid putting "trigger words" in the game title, and keeping the incest scenes more than 30mins - 1 hour into the game they are safe since the Patreon police that look at the games only play the first 5 mins to bitch about incest, rape, and the other non-SJW friendly stuff ?

If that were the case this game is safe since if you read everything up till the latest update there is no action amongst family members LOL.
 

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with this list dev will be removing nonconsensual/forced/blackmail scenarios which people would like to see. especially after metro scene.

btw if dev is going to add incest scenes he should think about a patch or something. patreon mind police doesnt like incest and his page might get banned.
I dont know if you know but Rape is also blacklisted.
 

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There is one mystery now that I am wondering about. The sons black eye... Someone is beating his ass at school, you know it, and they are going to need to add some sort of flashback scene. It's unclear who caused the black eye, but I suspect that the bully may be that soccer mom's son.

I want this milf to be able to get fucked by her son's bully some how.
 

Rythan25

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^He could have just gotten hit by a soccer ball, you'd be surprised how good that damn ball is at finding your face...
 

Koroco

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I really enjoy the game for being rather slow and different,
that said i hope he isn't going to cut or change to much stuff just because some people dislike it.
In my oppinion you should just stick with your vision and if you liked it being complex and with many different characters then leave it that way.
In most cases it made the game a lot worse if the developer forced himself to change things in his game just because of others.
 

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I forgot a path in an earlier post I made.
How about mom, the maid, and son! Great education for the son.
Maybe the son has a monster cock.
I like monster cock deepthroat. Balls deep!
 

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After coming here to ask a question... but reading many posts i have my answer :)

"Was wondering if anyone any were was gonna have any kind of sex... " My answer as of now looks grim.. cause the ones i have seen look hot and her % is topped out but seeing hot ones getting cut will hurt my feelings :D

Will someone please message me incace someone gets there kink on in this game please in future updates. LOL
 

Akamari

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I guess thats where we will agree to disagree on then...

If after waiting for so long and enjoying the slow burned this game is abandoned and the only sex scenes it has are with the fucking hobo scum, the black buff gym losers, or old people I'm gonna rage...

If the dev plans to cut off some paths cause he introduced too many characters, here is my recommendations for people that shouldn't get scenes...

1. Old Principal
2. Gym losers (the buff ones)
3. The Thugs//hobos
4. The scummy hoodrat students
5. The Latino cholos (only talked about so far)
6. The Triads of asiantown (only talked about so far)
7. The old grandpas (suggested side job)

Who SHOULD get paths that the fans of the game WANT to see...

1. Sam (he's at the top of most lists)
2. Ellie (super popular for most people)
3. Dylan
4. Sister
5. Soccer Mom
6. Maid
7. Newlywed Couple (old friends)
8. Neighbors (Highschool BFFs)
9. The good students in her class
10. The college boys from the Museum date
11. The handsome gym guys (trainer, and blonde dude Sophia thought was hot)
Looking at these lists makes me think there is a lack of interesting males! I'd even go as far as to say that most interesting is the husband with his laid-back personality. I hope someone else will pop up or I'll get stuck with good wife and lesbian stuff haha.
 

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I guess thats where we will agree to disagree on then...

If after waiting for so long and enjoying the slow burned this game is abandoned and the only sex scenes it has are with the fucking hobo scum, the black buff gym losers, or old people I'm gonna rage...

If the dev plans to cut off some paths cause he introduced too many characters, here is my recommendations for people that shouldn't get scenes...

1. Old Principal
2. Gym losers (the buff ones)
3. The Thugs//hobos
4. The scummy hoodrat students
5. The Latino cholos (only talked about so far)
6. The Triads of asiantown (only talked about so far)
7. The old grandpas (suggested side job)

Who SHOULD get paths that the fans of the game WANT to see...

1. Sam (he's at the top of most lists)
2. Ellie (super popular for most people)
3. Dylan
4. Sister
5. Soccer Mom
6. Maid
7. Newlywed Couple (old friends)
8. Neighbors (Highschool BFFs)
9. The good students in her class
10. The college boys from the Museum date
11. The handsome gym guys (trainer, and blonde dude Sophia thought was hot)

And for me the opposite. That's why you should not look unilaterally.
 
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Lust&Passion

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That is so not necessarily true. You could definitely improve your narrative efficiency, which will absolutely reduce the number of renders you have to do. And maybe we'd at least be at a playable day where some of your build up pays off. Even the last two updates still have a lot of unnecessary renders and scenes. It's one thing to take it slow. It's another to pad your pace out with filler.
I'm already trying it!
Since Lust&Passion is in here, got a couple of questions for you, and comments.

Comment: Fuck the haters in this thread, they don't know what they are talking about. You are doing great work here. Keep it up! Stay true to your vision, your real fans support your work how it is done now, and love it. Can't make everyone happy.

Questions:

1) Do you have plans to chapter this thing off at some point? Because the downloads are going to be HUGE if you don't. It's already bigger than many games, and hasn't even got to the real sex yet. Maybe like 4-5 chapters around 2 gigs each by finish? Because I think Mega only allows like 5GB of downloads per day, and that limit will be broken if the game continues as is.

2) You ever consider doing any spin-off mini-game side projects? Officer Chloe had a couple, Anna Exciting Affection got one too. A good side project at some point I think could be that subway scene expanded to it's own bad ending. There are so many more ways that could have went. She waits to long to mace them, they get those pants down and she can't successfully mace & run. Then it could various outcomes after.
1) I'm already trying to use less renders. Last update had "only" 377 renders for a whole playable day! Next playable day will maybe have not even 100 renders, to speed it up. And there are also other provider than MEGA. I think till it reaches 5 GB it will take some while!
2) The villain plot isn't over yet. There will be two side job opportunities. The first is the smaller one and you already learned about it. The second side job will start at playable day 11 (next update is playable day 6) and is IMO one of the highlights of this VN.
Do we have an option to avoid Sam having a close relationship with Mom? I guess it‘s only possible to choose the „good Wife“ option?
Of course you can avoid Sam. For the Sophia/Sam plot you need practically all points you can collect with him at all. So for example, if you rejected him at the guitar lesson immediately, you won't have any "closer" scene with him anymore.
At L&P, Sam is the major reason why I play this game. What updates should I watch out for more Sam content?
Sam will consistently appear and it will get gradually more intimate with him. But only if Sophia feels like it.
My stats in my current save end of this update are:
Good wife 22
Filthy 1
Lesbian Temp 11
Dylan 0
Ellie 4
Sam 0
Patricia 2

So I really do hope that there will be more lesbian stuff in the future. This game will suck big time if we are "forced" to do stuff with those teenage boys. And every other filthy male in this game.
OF course there will be lesbian stuff! There were already so many hints for that! And you can even follow the lesbian route together with the good wife route! Because these are just new feelings Sophia could discover and are not really filthy.
well you dont have to delete renders that are already done. and really the renders dont bother me, because they dont hurt the actual game, its just that a time is spended on creating them which prolongs development. but i can live with that. what annoys me is the "okay im gonna pour me a glass of water. first i need to dress. okay what do i put on ? oh yeah my jeans and a t-shirt. ok im walking towards the wardrobe. im grabbing my jeans. now first my left leg, done. now my right leg. alright, i put on my jeans." come on, nobody needs that.
plus because you are doing so many detailed renders you can afford to not use words to describe the events, since the player can see it himself.
in the end this is your game, this is just my opinion of what i dont like. im glad that you bothered to read it and reply to me but as i said, this is your game. you have great financial support so there is a market for your product. im probably wrong in many peoples eyes but i try to give constructive criticism.
Yeah, this is also a point where I'm always struggling. If you noticed I already tried to reduce these kind of monologues in the last two updates. I guess I'll go through it again and look what I could reduce a little bit.
As a professional writer i give you 3 tips. What you do with them is up to you but i dont hate on your game i just wanna make sure you know that you make your work harder then it has to be and that you can actually make it way easier for you.

1. Cut your story shorter. i know you want to establish your characters but you take already to long for it to the point no one cares anymore and you have to work more an more for no reason on this stuff.
The MC character is established as are her husband, kids, sister and so on.
This was already clear from update 2. No need to invest anything into character development anymore.
This also reduces the amount of renders you need to do as the dialouge.
Which makes your updates bigger and the work you get done in the same amount of time more efficient.

2. If a side story (subway as hint) has no benefit to the main plot or doesnt involve later on into the main plot cut it out completely. The game itself is already big enough with side stories cause of all the characters you introduced to keep you working for years (if your patreons grow you can be assured that you wont be finished at day 30 cause they want more)
Focus on the main plot and the main plot alone. If you have side stories that fit in do them but if you have side stories who have nothing to do with the main plot cut them out. The reader/player wont miss what isnt there in the first place and you dont have to make more and more stuff up as you go along to fit in while maintaining the main plot.

The rule goes like this. Main Plot > Side story that benefits the story > Side story that doesnt benefit the story > Side story that benefits character development > Everything else like this sword was forged in (insert made up name here)

3. Sex Sex Sex. Now i dont know when u plan to make your different genres appear in terms of sex scenes. Incest day x. BDSM Day x. NTR day x and so on. BUT and thats a big but this is a sex game. And while i believe a good story build up is essential and a appreciated (cause we dont have a game like that yet) you have to realize that the longer your build up the bigger the hype for sex scenes and the more ppl rant about blue balling.
Like in a erotic novel where the reader is on page 130 and still nothing has happend. If the sex scene then isnt amazing to read you are in trouble as a writer.
Same applies to you. If you hype it that much you need to deliver some amazing renders that go on and on and on making the sex scenes (your main plot/story element/the game is all about) need to be long, sensual, amazing to watch etc.
And believe me thats harder to write then to show with renders but not that much.

I dont mean that you have to deliver a sex scene in the next update. But the way you build your story up so far is great if you want to write an erotic novel only. For a sex novel you making your job harder then it has to be. Just focus on the main plot, main characters and leave the rest out for now and add the side things little by little. It makes your job easier, the patreons less hating and the whole process smoother for everyone.
1) I'm already trying it!
2) There's actually no event which is just a filler. The villains could still appear later, depending on how Sophia will deal with at the next day.
3) You have to understand that Sophia is not a slut! She's an university graduate, married and loves her husband who has less time for her just because of his new job. So the earliest Sex will be with him at the good wife route! Sex with other characters needs a step by step approach, where Sex could be the great final! Just because there is nothing above Sex anymore! You just have to wait a little bit how the main character plots will evolve.
People are writing about live in Germany as if with your current patreon income you'd be forced into poverty and live in some dark hut next to a factory.




Well I've just been living here for 33 years. Which is ironically also my time on earth.

So yeah I kinda know Germany. So don't even try that approach.




Nah. Even with Steuerklasse I you have about 1400 every month with 2000€ Brutto.




lol in what city do you live? Berlin? Frankfurt? München?
Otherwise that is an absurd number.




No one with minimum wage earns even remotely close to 2000€ Brutto.
2000 Brutto is around 11 something Euro per hour.


Also I don't care what you earn every month. I care about absurd claims about Germany.
Lol, actually you're not so wrong with one of these cities you mentioned;)
Hey Lust, was wondering, any estimate when Sophia would finally get dirty with Dylan or Sam? I'm not talking full on sex, maybe a striptease, lapdance or a blowjob? Just curious on what day it might happen.
Dylan main plot starts at the after next update at playable day 7. Next playable day will be very quick so it starts already soon. With Sam it starts to get more "intimate" at playable day 9.
I wonder what L&P plan is if hes Patreon will get reviewed. And it will get reviewed.

Just this week 2 creators I support had their sites suspended, despite hardly having any dubious content.

I imagine if only L&P adds any sexual scene to the game with Sam Dylan or Ellie they will get to him.

I might be wrong but I dont see him having any countermeasures prepared for when this happens.

His Patreon had been spared so far becouse of lack of sexual content tbh.
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I hope I could clarify some things. I'll completely address myself to the next update now, so I won't be often here in the near future.
 
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