VN Ren'Py Dual Family [v1.22.1ce] [Gumdrop Games]

[Ignatz]

The last few posts in here show why this can still be one of the more engaging threads around

 

[Siddington]

Considering the a.. ways of Patreon it was only a matter of time until these idiots would turn on this game. I doubt someone ratted gumdrop out esp. since other "fetish" games have been hit around the same time. i think he was lucky up to now due the tame content and title, which is another reason why he should have worked faster.
As for the game as it is ATM some observations.

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I'd say that about sums it up nicely. Gumdrop has stated that there is a system in place where if you're playing as the Son, the father makes all bad decisions with the Mother and their relationship continues breaking down. This is to avoid NTR moments that would inevitably happen with both the Father and Son were trying to have the Wife/Mother. This system is the same on the Father side with regards to the Son and his Sister. We have yet to see how to see how this is all going to work out in the future. I have definitely seen comments from Gumdrop to suggest that the Daughter will be romanceble in the Son route later on in the story but I have seen nothing to suggest that the Father will be able to repair his relationship with his wife. Considering the two main routes seem to continue which ever route you're playing, Father-Daughter, Son-Mother, it seems strange to me that only the Daughter would be available in both routes but not the Wife/Mother, but we'll see, maybe I just missed it. I think I'll stick to the Main romance for that route rather go after both so as to avoid the feeling that I'm NTRing myself...you know, like playing Au-Pair Innocence...

 

[Ignatz]

These recent discussions have clarified some play points for me, so I appreciate the discourse.

I have been generally frustrated by the almost absolute lack of progress for the husband/wife path. Despite multiple attempts at patching, nothing seems to heal this relationship.

Considering some of the comments you peeps are talking about, it's possible this path doesn't exist. If that ultimately turns out to be the case, I find this a horrible cheat. It's a massive effort to keep on the positive side of the wife and, if there is no eventual payoff, that is a crummy thing to do to players.

I look at games like GGGB, with their massive multiple plot threads and I see that a dev CAN create options that give you all ends, good and bad, for you to explore. Regardless of whether it's 3D rendering or line art, it's really plot and design I'm talking about here.

Yes, like most of us deviant players, my primary interest is in seducing the daughter, but I would like to also be able to see how and what a wife path would look like.

I don't want to presume. It's possible such a path exists down the development road, but I am made nervous and just a bit irritated if it never develops and the player is not given that information up front. That's a joke without a punchline or a Die Hard without a Yippee Kay Yay moment.

Note, I'm not talking about time delays or those types of complaints. There are so many games out there for me to get involved with while I'm waiting. As I have said, I simply suspend my pledge if I feel there has been too long a delay and wait to re-up when the dev is "back in the saddle".

But, to create a character, give you a "tracker" and then not offer a credible resolution? Eh, not nice.

 

[Cameage]

These recent discussions have clarified some play points for me, so I appreciate the discourse.

I have been generally frustrated by the almost absolute lack of progress for the husband/wife path. Despite multiple attempts at patching, nothing seems to heal this relationship.

Considering some of the comments you peeps are talking about, it's possible this path doesn't exist. If that ultimately turns out to be the case, I find this a horrible cheat. It's a massive effort to keep on the positive side of the wife and, if there is no eventual payoff, that is a crummy thing to do to players.

I look at games like GGGB, with their massive multiple plot threads and I see that a dev CAN create options that give you all ends, good and bad, for you to explore. Regardless of whether it's 3D rendering or line art, it's really plot and design I'm talking about here.

Yes, like most of us deviant players, my primary interest is in seducing the daughter, but I would like to also be able to see how and what a wife path would look like.

I don't want to presume. It's possible such a path exists down the development road, but I am made nervous and just a bit irritated if it never develops and the player is not given that information up front. That's a joke without a punchline or a Die Hard without a Yippee Kay Yay moment.

Note, I'm not talking about time delays or those types of complaints. There are so many games out there for me to get involved with while I'm waiting. As I have said, I simply suspend my pledge if I feel there has been too long a delay and wait to re-up when the dev is "back in the saddle".

But, to create a character, give you a "tracker" and then not offer a credible resolution? Eh, not nice.

I'll say this: this game is supposed to be three acts, right? Plenty of time to get your wife into the romantic/sexual categories.

Nothing about this game suggests anything that matters is going to happen quickly.

Also, I'd just like to say, this game is a brilliant deconstruction of this genre. It's the Evangelion of porn games. Five stars, ten out of ten.

Could one of the mods update the OP to include the more current walkthrough posted a page ago?

 

[Siddington]

@Ignatz @Cameage I agree that there is plenty of time for these routes to grow, Brother-Sister and Husband-Wife but I'm probably in a minority here in the fact that I would prefer these routes were never made part of the game. This isn't your run of the mill Harem building game. Just as an example, there isn't a single part of me that could stomach spending 2/3rd's of the game playing as the Father romancing the Daughter, only to then suddenly get back with your wife. It's not like you would be able to keep something like that a secret. What do you do, tell your Daughter it was just a horrible mistake getting involved together and that she should find another man? I doubt the Daughter would ever forgive him. Take the other side, you are playing as the Son and after pursuing your Mother to the point where she if comfortable expressing her feelings to you openly and you are engaging in romantic or even sexual acts together ... you then drop your Mother like a sack of potatoes to go have sex with your Sister instead. Could you maybe keep it a secret from your Mother if your Sister was ok with that? Maybe but what a scumbag you would have to be to do that. People have joked about suicide endings before but these are two routes I can see that could bring that to fruition. I may ask Gumdrop in the near future to see if he can give any non-spoiler info.

 

[Ignatz]

Well, that's not where I was going. In fact, I don't want harem at all. I just wanted to see if Dad could go straight on Husband/Wife and NOT daughter in one path and JUST daughter in another. I referenced a game like GGGB because it offers divergent paths, not simply all in the family.

That said, I get the "proper" thrust of the game and I'm fine with that (hell, what with DMD, DfD, etc., I play plenty of those). What I was concerned about was that there was a red herring with the Husband/Wife, where I could spend hours trying to develop it and find out it didn't exist as a legitimate game choice.

THAT would annoy me. Making the beautiful daughter my one and only? Nah, not a problem.

 

[Bahamut Zero]

That's a bit how I felt as well after this last update. The Father and daughter are clearly very close though and I feel it will be caught up with Part X. Father, Daughter kiss after the dance is going to be a cracking moment.



I think the main two romances are set in stone no matter which route you take. The Son will get the Mother and the Father will get the Daughter in each route. That is how it looks anyway. Gumdrop has said previous that if you're playing as the Son, the Father character will be playing out like he is making all the wrong decisions, thus pushing himself away the Mother. Pretty sure he insinuated somewhere that it is the same for the Father route although possible NTR (depending on whether the player cares about the wife or not in that route) is hard to avoid considering the Son is pretty much stealing his wife after all... My main route is the Father and while I don't necessarily care what the Son does with the Wife/Mother in that route, it would bother me if the story was progressing like the Son is trying to get it on with his Sister and Cousin as well. I may question Gumdrop on this on his Discord when I get the chance.

I do not think that the story go like that.
The autor cleary say that if you play with the "son" in the son route... the father is just a normal father. So in the son route there is not Dad/daughter thing. Only normal family. I mean the Dad is just a normal dad who try to help the daughter normaly, without sex thing. OFC for the plot thing, the niece thing happen if you stay silent and help you aunt.

The same thing happen with the Father, if you play as the Father, the son do not try to steal is mother to his Father.

If you play as the son, you can change the thing ad have mom/sis/cousin/aunt.
If you play with the father you can change the thing and have sis/mom/niece/aunt.

Ofc all the choice depend of you playstyle. And another thing. The autor say that in this game there is "no" NTR.
Go on the first page and read the genre. There is no ntr in this game. All the thing are optional, is just how you want you story. At last the autor tell us this. If the thing now are change i do not know.

 

[Siddington]

Well, that's not where I was going. In fact, I don't want harem at all. I just wanted to see if Dad could go straight on Husband/Wife and NOT daughter in one path and JUST daughter in another. I referenced a game like GGGB because it offers divergent paths, not simply all in the family.

That said, I get the "proper" thrust of the game and I'm fine with that (hell, what with DMD, DfD, etc., I play plenty of those). What I was concerned about was that there was a red herring with the Husband/Wife, where I could spend hours trying to develop it and find out it didn't exist as a legitimate game choice.

THAT would annoy me. Making the beautiful daughter my one and only? Nah, not a problem.

Don't worry, I wasn't suggesting that was what you wanted at all. I think the issue is you can't currently have a pure/fix marriage Father route in the future unless there are major rewrites of the first Act, as you can't not pursue a romance with the Daughter. Well unless you are given the option to turn the Daughter down in Part X of course. We will see Thus if things play out as they are at the minute, you will have to get involved with the Daughter before then getting back with the Wife. Makes me feel dirty just thinking about doing that lol. Maybe that will be an option but it won't be one I pursue.

The autor cleary say that if you play with the "son" in the son route... the father is just a normal father. So in the son route there is not Dad/daughter thing. Only normal family. I mean the Dad is just a normal dad who try to help the daughter normaly, without sex thing. OFC for the plot thing, the niece thing happen if you stay silent and help you aunt.

The same thing happen with the Father, if you play as the Father, the son do not try to steal is mother to his Father.

I know Kyle has stated this but it's not how it looks in-game. If you play as the Son, it looks very much like the Father and Daughter are spending way too much time together and are way too close. Including the scene with F/D on the sofa that angers Karen so much in the last update, resulting in her setting up the Mother and Son. If you play as the Father, your Wife constantly disappears with your Son in exactly the same way she would in his route (early morning shopping trips, seen looking flustered coming out of the Sons bedroom, found drunk on her Sons bed) It's looks to anyone like the Father-Daughter and Son-Mother routes play out exactly the same either way. Maybe it's just a flaw that Kyle has overlooked in development but we'll see how scenes play out in the future.

There is no ntr in this game.

And that is something I'm very glad about, with how many other games it is popping up in this year.

 

[Torak01]

I'm a little sad about this update, no real progress, a lot of text to read for nothing blablablaaa and so much useless image, even for Gumdrop...
Fortunately there is some interesting scene but too rare.
#sad

 

[Ignatz]

OK, Sid, good point. The game does tend to "force" you into two major incest paths: Dad/Daughter and Mom/Son.

I would agree with your point about the Son, too. No way the Dad could be "normal" dad and have the son steal wife from him. There has to be some aspect of neglect/detachment for the Mom to cross from done with dad to complete incest.

Still, plenty of time left in the game to surprise me.

 

[Pal_]

I just hope the son-route doesn´t take the same approach as DmD after getting intimate for the first time. I kind of understand it in DmD. The daughter is a virgin and she has to explore the body of a man, wants to take it slowly. You as a father teach her the things, don´t want to hurt her etc.

Ok, but in this game hopefully we don´t see the same approach in the son route after the kiss. I think the son isn´t a virgin anymore and old enough and the mother has had plenty of experience with the dad, other men in the past. I just can´t imagine to see now e.g. them two masturbating themselves and watching each other......the mother touching his penis, him touching her pussy...after some time her masturbating him, he masturbating her etc. It kind of doesn´t fit in the story. I don´t know why, i think it is because of the already damaged psychological aspect of them two. I rather could see a situation where these two are getting way further when drunk for example, when they are out of control. Or on the other hand complete step backs because of fear what the outcome may be or because the father suddenly tries to get back to the mother and she therefore is completely confused what she wants. But nothing in between that somehow. I can´t wait to see, how Gumdrops progress this story. But I can imagine, that we see a step back from the mother after the kiss due to concerns.

 

[Bahamut Zero]

I know Kyle has stated this but it's not how it looks in-game. If you play as the Son, it looks very much like the Father and Daughter are spending way too much time together and are way too close. Including the scene with F/D on the sofa that angers Karen so much in the last update, resulting in her setting up the Mother and Son. If you play as the Father, your Wife constantly disappears with your Son in exactly the same way she would in his route (early morning shopping trips, seen looking flustered coming out of the Sons bedroom, found drunk on her Sons bed) It's looks to anyone like the Father-Daughter and Son-Mother routes play out exactly the same either way. Maybe it's just a flaw that Kyle has overlooked in development but we'll see how scenes play out in the future.

Yeah i know how you fill. The same thing happen also at me, but this... is just because when you become to adult, there is no why that an innocent thing remain innocent. We men continuelly try to find the pervert thing in all the thing.
So is easy if you see a scene where a dad and a daughter are on the sofa at night alone, that you jump right to the wrong conclusion. Ofc because you also know that this game have an incest side.

So try to look in another way. Mc family are on the verge of the divorce thing, so a father/mother need to build up his relationship with is two child, in this case, the father with his daughter that is much easy. While the mother with her son. In the fathar case he choice the daughter, because with his son he barely speak. And the father already know that his son hate him. So he spand more time with the daughter, also because generally a boy prefer the attention of his mother, the same thing with the daughter who always try the attention of her fathar.
"Generally" a boy is the "Mama's boy". While the daughter is the "daddy's baby" Ofc for the mother is the same thing toward her son.

 

[Siddington]

I'm a little sad about this update, no real progress, a lot of text to read for nothing blablablaaa and so much useless image, even for Gumdrop...
Fortunately there is some interesting scene but too rare.
#sad

Wow I'm picturing a scene before the dance now...

"Daddy do you like the lingerie I bought for the dance?" She says, slowly slipping out her skirt. Lifting her sweater just a bit for her father to make sure he gets a good look also exposes more of her pale skinned midriff. She knows exactly what she is doing to her Father in this situation. He shifts uncomfortably on the bed not sure where to look. "They look nice dear but I'm not sure I'm comfortable with you wearing something like that, or your date seeing you in it for that matter" her father says as his eyes slowly travel down his daughters barely clothed body. "Don't worry Daddy, only you get to see me in things like this" she says before winking at him and lifting her sweater over her head. She decides to throw the sweater in her Fathers direction before heading to the closet to find her dress for the big night. Her actions have had the desired effect and her Father is quickly behind her and she bends down to pick up the dress. He places his hands on her hips before leaning in to whisper "Looks like my sweetheart will need someone to help zip up her dress..." She can feel his hot breath on her ear as his does this and the sensation is electric. "That's not the only time I'll need help tonight daddy. Will you help me get out of it again later?"

I can dream hahaha

 

[Deleted member 382570]

Anyone willing to give me a save with a sex scene of the mother and son?

 

[Siddington]

Yeah i know how you fill. The same thing happen also at me, but this... is just because when you become to adult, there is no why that an innocent thing remain innocent. We men continuelly try to find the pervert thing in all the thing.
So is easy if you see a scene where a dad and a daughter are on the sofa at night alone, that you jump right to the wrong conclusion. Ofc because you also know that this game have an incest side.

So try to look in another way. Mc family are on the verge of the divorce thing, so a father/mother need to build up his relationship with is two child, in this case, the father with his daughter that is much easy. While the mother with her son. In the fathar case he choice the daughter, because with his son he barely speak. And the father already know that his son hate him. So he spand more time with the daughter, also because generally a boy prefer the attention of his mother, the same thing with the daughter who always try the attention of her fathar.
"Generally" a boy is the "Mama's boy". While the daughter is the "daddy's baby" Ofc for the mother is the same thing toward her son.

I get that it may or may not have been Kyle's intention for it to look like it does and that what he says about certain characters not getting romantically involved if you play the opposite routes is true. I also understand that sometimes things aren't always exactly as they seem (The father finds that out the hard way because of karen) but as I said, it does "seem" like events (maybe not all events but only kyle knows that truly at the minute) play out exactly the same no matter what route you play. That's what it looks like from the players perspective. Using the Father-Daughter sofa cuddle again as an example. Is it entirely possible for the Father and Daughter to have been sharing a totally non-romantic cuddle on the sofa when Karen and the Son walked in on them? Yes, yes definitely. Does it look that way in-game though? Nope not for a second imo. The Son comments about the position they are laying in and the fact that they are "almost whispering" to each other. It makes him uncomfortable to the point that he comments "As much as I want to rip them apart and paint Dad's eye black..." It looks like it plays out exactly as it does in the Father route so it's not a leap to assume the conversations are the same and the states of their relationships also. Again it may not have been the dev's intention for it to look as it does. Maybe this one scene had to be written and shown this way as Karen has to have her reaction which obviously leads to other things kicking off. Only future update will give us the full picture.

Anyone willing to give me a save with a sex scene of the mother and son?

There isn't currently any sex scene between the Mother and Son. I would say it's unlikely to happen for a few updates at very least, sorry.

 

[Ignatz]

Anyone willing to give me a save with a sex scene of the mother and son?

We'd have to create it first!

 

[Vanaduke]

We'd have to create it first!

*cough* ahem *cough*

 

[DeafPerv]

I have a question.
How does Patreon detect whether or not a game has incest in it?
What if the patreon page doesn't have anything related to incest?
Do they play the game themselves to find out?

 

[relayer98]

just milking , you lucky .x'D

 

[none300]

I will say judging from Kyle/Gumdrops comments, he seems pretty confident that he has planned for this and it should be fine. Let's just hope he's right and Patreon won't throw anymore spanners into the works. Would hate to see this game go the way of DMD or worse... Big Brother.

Interesting list including some I've never heard of tbh

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“A wife and mother” - very promising game, you should play it maybe )