Alternatives to Patreon - Maybe for Adult games
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- May 10, 2017
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You are not limited to this. you can do this if you want... you can do this normal way or in this advance way for dilute the 0.65c of payza.
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@przewodo: One clarification, please. Sorry if I make complete mess of it. I don't know Payza, but their business model seem to be to get set amount plus percentage from each transaction, payed by whoever receives the money. To make it simple, forget the percentage plus chargeback reserve for now. When backer sends money to you, it costs you extra 65 cents. And since you're not running a charity, you then send 65 cents less to creators. If backer pays $1, creator will get only a fraction of it. But based of this in your Terms of Use:
it should get better next month, if backer supports more creators, right? E.g. if backer supports 10 creators with $1 each, you get $10 in one transaction, it still costs you 65 cents extra, but since it's for 10 creators, you only need to send each 6.5 cents less. Or not?
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Each creator is one transaction. If you pledge 10 creators with $1.00, you will have 10 transactions of $1.00. It is not like an e-commerce that you place a bunch of products on your cart and pay for everything 1 time.
When you pledge one creator, Payza create one subscription with that value and run the charge every month, so every time that Payza charges someone, they will get $0.65 for that transaction. An transaction is every time that the backer is charged. So, in the next month, they will charge you again with that $0.65
With this situation is impossible to run a pure $1.00 pledge because if you apply 10% + $0.65 + 10% of chargeback protection, the total amount that is left over is $1.00 - ($0.1 - $0.65 - $0.1) = $0.15. When they release the % of CB protection, the creator will get $0.1 more. So, in the end, the creator will get only $0.25 of an $1.00 pledge.
Remember that the value for chargeback protection will be credited for the creator after 6 months. That is the time that they freezes this value and release if no chargeback was made.
This is impracticable.
That is why we have the option for the creator to set, for example, one pledge of $6.00 each 6 months. If you do the math, the $0.65 will be divided by 6, because it will run one transaction every 6 months. Doing that is the same as the creator being pledged every month by $1.00 and each transaction costing only $0.11 then the left over for the creator will be $0.80.
With higher values the creator will get more from each pledge because they have this fee fixed for each transaction.
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Guys.. I did the math.. it it possible to use Payza and the creator gets 80% of income and we takes 20%, but will not possible to use pledges under $5.00. What do you think?
While I like this idea. This could put off some pledgers.
But so far, (and this is just my opinion) I think this might be the best option.
- Oct 3, 2017
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Just as Patreon isnt perfect (wasnt before and even less now) there most likely wont be a perfect solution with low cost, monthly subscription, all or nearly all content allowed, low to high tiers and letting you advertise instead of hiding you. Thats probably not even a time thing, that might never happen, sadly.
But only time will tell if things get even more dire, some people are nitpicking about the small things, I'd say people need a reminder that back in the day you bought finished content, and people could live with it. Thats also what the japanese industry does. So if you like a game but theres for example only one price, buy it twice. And in your case, only pledges under 5$ shouldnt really be a big deterrent, if you can just stop pledging every other month.
Or just let the young, blooming western industry crash and die, thats also a possibility.
But only time will tell if things get even more dire, some people are nitpicking about the small things, I'd say people need a reminder that back in the day you bought finished content, and people could live with it. Thats also what the japanese industry does. So if you like a game but theres for example only one price, buy it twice. And in your case, only pledges under 5$ shouldnt really be a big deterrent, if you can just stop pledging every other month.
Or just let the young, blooming western industry crash and die, thats also a possibility.
I wouldn't make it a lower limit, as I stated, I'd probably be willing to do the 66% you'd make (roughly) from a 3 dollar pledge. This is because I have a hard time asking for more than that. However, i'd have a $5 tier for people who wanted access to me, behind the scenes content, and maybe a poll or two to decide direction sometimes. Anyone who wanted to pledge more would be welcome.
All theoretical for now. But that's my 2 cents.
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Unfortunately, charges under $5.00 is impossible just because of the $0.65 fixed on their fee... I´m trying to find other payments but the fees is higher too...
Again, the way that the rewards are implemented, you can make $6.00 each 2 months.. is the same as 3 per month. This can be configured as creators wishes. So, if the backer pledges this way, one month backer will be charged 6, other no and go on...
Someone mentioned that maybe use same payment method as Pornhub, but When I was finding out about it, I discover that the company have the same high fees. and they business model, because they don´t have to split payment, they don't care about it, because they get about 87% of full value that is paid to them.
I even thought to create some credits system inside. Let me explain.
- An backer makes an subscription on our website of $6,99. He will get 5 credits.
- The backer can use this credits to pledge any creator and use how many credits he wants. 1 credit to creator X, 3 credits for creator Y and 2 credits for creator Z.
- The creator will get the full credit for him.
- Each credit that the creator gets is equal to $1.00.
This way, if a backer wants to pledge more, he could subscribe for $19.99 for 15 credits, and this can be spend how he wants.
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I can't make recurring payments with cryptocurrency.
What specific you say that people don't want? Credit system?
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Yes.. I mean that. bitcoin, etheral, etc. cant make recurring payments with that.
heh, I meant that there are people who don't like it. I get why you didn't use it.
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Ahhhhhhhh, ok....
But what do you think about that subscription type for backers?
- Feb 21, 2018
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Hi everyone. First post on this site, even though I've been snooping around about half a year - basically since discovering that there is quality to be found in these kind of games, I'm late to the party I guess 
I am an aspiring developer - even though I don't expect to launch anything for a couple of months at least (maybe even longer) because a) RL stuff + I have a full time job which is sucking the soul out of me, b) I'd like to develop a custom engine, c) what little time I had to do this was discouraged by the whole patreon thing
So, this topic is of high interest to me and even though sponsorion seems to be the perfect fit by what they are claiming to be, I haven't been able to find that much about them on f95, only a couple of posts. Also, they current landing page looks like it was made like an afterthought at best - UI, layout, grainy header image, even though they are running the campaign for a while now. Heck, they don't even have a favicon. I get that there are much more important things to do, especially since they haven't launched yet so they don't need to look pretty, but so far not very convincing... So, a couple of questions:
1) Are the authors/owners of sponsorion in any way connected to f95? By that I don't necessarily mean as a stakeholder but do some of them have an account here to be able to provide relevant and verified information?
2) Does someone know how are they planning to circumvent the payment processors which seem to be the biggest issue here? And do it in a way which is stable/long-lasting and reliable? adultpledge seems to be a noteworthy effort but I'm not convinced.
3) Have they (sponsorion) said anything about how they are planning to deal with taxes, legal issues and such problems? For example, the EU (where I'm from) has special tax/VAT rules which are handled by patreon. I don't think many devs would (or could) handle that all by themselves, especially in the starting stages of a project where you're juggling many other things and still deciding if this is a worthwhile endeavor. Yes I hate the idea of censorship but I definitely wouldn't want to
I am an aspiring developer - even though I don't expect to launch anything for a couple of months at least (maybe even longer) because a) RL stuff + I have a full time job which is sucking the soul out of me, b) I'd like to develop a custom engine, c) what little time I had to do this was discouraged by the whole patreon thing
So, this topic is of high interest to me and even though sponsorion seems to be the perfect fit by what they are claiming to be, I haven't been able to find that much about them on f95, only a couple of posts. Also, they current landing page looks like it was made like an afterthought at best - UI, layout, grainy header image, even though they are running the campaign for a while now. Heck, they don't even have a favicon. I get that there are much more important things to do, especially since they haven't launched yet so they don't need to look pretty, but so far not very convincing... So, a couple of questions:
1) Are the authors/owners of sponsorion in any way connected to f95? By that I don't necessarily mean as a stakeholder but do some of them have an account here to be able to provide relevant and verified information?
2) Does someone know how are they planning to circumvent the payment processors which seem to be the biggest issue here? And do it in a way which is stable/long-lasting and reliable? adultpledge seems to be a noteworthy effort but I'm not convinced.
3) Have they (sponsorion) said anything about how they are planning to deal with taxes, legal issues and such problems? For example, the EU (where I'm from) has special tax/VAT rules which are handled by patreon. I don't think many devs would (or could) handle that all by themselves, especially in the starting stages of a project where you're juggling many other things and still deciding if this is a worthwhile endeavor. Yes I hate the idea of censorship but I definitely wouldn't want to
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It's a possibility, but sounds like a lot of work. Here are some of the scenario.
I only want to pledge $1, can't because all the credit packages might require me to pay at least $6.99.
I pay the $6.99 and get my 5 credits. Let's say there's two content creator that has a "3 credit tier" I want to support. Well? What happens here, the backer well have to spend another $6.99 assuming this is the cheapest package, just to get 1 more credits to support the other content creator? So instead of spending a flat $6 in total the backer is spending $13.98?
The backers will be in a loop of buying credits to support different tiers that content creator offers. Sounds like a tedious task if you ask me.