POLL: You like Femdom. Does your gf/wife mistress(s) have sexual relations with other men?

POLL: You like Femdom. Does your gf/wife mistress(s) have sexual relations with other men?


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hakarlman

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"Yup, Femdom NTR are gonna love what I'm making. The NON-NTR Femdom crowd are going to love what I'm making too, but I'm trying to maximize their content. I don't want them to lose out on even 4% of content. Which is why I need to understand the 'mistress serving drinks in a bar' dilemma in its entirety. "

And this is the problem. NTR is a love it or hate it fetish. You cant hit both crowds.
I tried in my words to explain why. Its not the fetish itself so to speak.. its what the fetish does. Degradation and sleeping around, even just talking about it.. are for some ppl polar opposites of their core values.

Ill spank you, Ill strap you.. Ill throw you on a cross and have you as my plaything. But ask me to choke you while degrading you, and you can pick up you stuff and get out the door.
And if you do it to me? Ill bloody kick you off the bed and throw your stuff at you while you scramble for the door.
Use a strapon on me and fuck me till Im raw.. no problem... if its because you like the control part of it, or just wanna try having a dick. But if its because you dont like men and wanna revenge fuck one.. go get someone else.

I dont have problems with open relationships one bit. But if you use it to degrade me, berate or even sligthly belittle me, youre gone. Instantly.. not even a remote chance for a do-over. You broke my trust. Sleep around with someone not pre-approved by me, same thing.

And thats the crux of it. Ntr cuckolding etc are polar opposites because they rely on using mechanics that are opposite what I value as a person.. not as a fetish, as a person. Thats why its a luv it or hate it fetish.

I dont like pain.. neither recieving nor giving.. But I can see the point, and it doesnt "hurt" me to parttake in them (if I dont trust you, its a no regardless of why or how or who). But NTR/cuckolding, I can only see them as being toxic for both parties. Might be erotic for some, but highly toxic all the same. So I will not in any way parttake. And its not just that I dont want to. Its not a choice. I cannot in any way or form find anything in it that I could find erotic or acceptable.
And I think that is pretty close to why those fetishes are a love it or hate it fetish. Youre either into it, or against.. no grey areas.

I know its a bad comparison, and its not to equate them. But its probably as close to rape and pedophilia to me, as you can come. Because they all build on one simple basis.. Abuse, and thats the kicker.
What you just typed is why your perspective is important to me.

Do you have time to answer these questions by any chance? (Others are welcome to answer these questions, but only if you love Femdom and strongly dislike and or HATE NTR.)

1) You're playing as a submissive MC, and your mistress is dominant. Why would your dominant mistress choose to stay loyal to you, rather than be fucked by other men? (I can give you possible reasons: (a) you're well endowed (b) you're highly attractive; either cute or highly masculine and rugged. (c) You're able to learn and execute the sexual techniques she wants; ex: impacting her clitoris upon every thrust with your perfectly shaped dick. - - (If you agree with all these reasons, and can't add your own, your approval of my reasons would be appreciated.))

2) If you saw your mistress being submissive to a mistress of higher rank, would that be a complete turn off?

3) Could there ever exist a female, BDSM, dominatrix hierarchy that puts lesser female dominatrix's; of lesser experience, age, financial and social power, into submissive roles serving the more dominant mistress(s)? Ex: A rank 5 dominatrix naturally dominates a rank 4 dominatrix, because the rank 5 has more age, wisdom, femdomming experience, financial and social power than the rank 4. Or would this make the lower rank dominant look weak in the eyes of the subs who serve her? (Rigoku said earlier than no dominatrix should ever be portrayed as submissive. I think he's right, and this is the angle I'm leaning towards, unless someone can link me to an erotic story or femdom game that shows a dominatrix being dominant to those who rank below her, and submissive to those who are above her?)
 

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What you just typed is why your perspective is important to me.

Do you have time to answer these questions by any chance? (Others are welcome to answer these questions, but only if you love Femdom and strongly dislike and or HATE NTR.)

1) You're playing as a submissive MC, and your mistress is dominant. Why would your dominant mistress choose to stay loyal to you, rather than be fucked by other men? (I can give you possible reasons: (a) you're well endowed (b) you're highly attractive; either cute or highly masculine and rugged. (c) You're able to learn and execute the sexual techniques she wants; ex: impacting her clitoris upon every thrust with your perfectly shaped dick. - - (If you agree with all these reasons, and can't add your own, your approval of my reasons would be appreciated.))

2) If you saw your mistress being submissive to a mistress of higher rank, would that be a complete turn off?

3) Could there ever exist a female, BDSM, dominatrix hierarchy that puts lesser female dominatrix's; of lesser experience, age, financial and social power, into submissive roles serving the more dominant mistress(s)? Ex: A rank 5 dominatrix naturally dominates a rank 4 dominatrix, because the rank 5 has more age, wisdom, femdomming experience, financial and social power than the rank 4. Or would this make the lower rank dominant look weak in the eyes of the subs who serve her? (Rigoku said earlier than no dominatrix should ever be portrayed as submissive. I think he's right, and this is the angle I'm leaning towards, unless someone can link me to an erotic story or femdom game that shows a dominatrix being dominant to those who rank below her, and submissive to those who are above her?)
1) Neither, the entire setup is bad. She is loyal or she is gone. Regardless of dominant status. The only way for me personally would be sharing her at my terms. (wont work for most ntr haters though). Its in every example excactly why most dont like ntr/cuck. There will never be a situation where she even as dom has that choice. Not because of the options, but because its abusive behavior (before the examples even come in play). You cannot make an example they will like. For me, sharing her might be optional, but thats because I know how that works in real life and I would be the one in control of the entire ordeal. Who, why when and even whats allowed. That wont work here, as Im supposed to be the sub with her in control and its her choice regardless of me or what I want/think/feel. And thats the abuse. Thats the ntr. Only possibility for me personally where she is in control of anything, is if Im asking to her to be shared or Im asking to fuck others. Control is always on the part that can get slighted, never the one that wants. But just to copy myself, I doubt most ntr haters would even allow that.

2)Not entirely. Submission doesnt have to be sex, or degredation of ME or her. I think there are two factors in play here. It could work cause lesbian*, could tank cause still not consentual with all parties involved. Personally, I can share. And if my girl likes those kinds of games and can have it from another source and it wont affect me.. sure why not... But then comes the crux, is it with my consent she does it, or against. Latter is a no go. (could work if structural/cultural thing maybe, as mentioned in part 3, But i still think sex and abuse is off the table entirely for most ntr haters) Even if just plain submission. If no NTR involved, no qualms what so ever. Its never about who its about how. Its the inherent abuse that is part of ntr/cucking that doesnt work. So if she is subbing to a higher domme, who then abuses her or me.. nope.
Ive had threesomes, foursomes, been to sexclubs with my gf. It all comes down to trust and rules. Even sexclubs knows this, and abuse of any kind gets you thrown the fuck out, unless explicitly asked for and boundaries set.

3) Yes, such a structure could work. I dont care what others like or do. And where Im involved, see earlier long post about abusive behavior. Can you have a little trickle down effect where dom5 gives dom4 a taste of the angry, who then goes to dom3 and bitches, who then comes to me and is angry and spitefull about it.. sure. But dont fecking abuse me for it :p
Would it make her weak? Depends on the sub players mindset. I wouldnt care one bit if she is rank 1 or rank 5, as long as my interactions with her is what I like. I dont need the top domme to domme me, Im not that competitive. My interactions with dom3 is my focus, not their interrelated interactions. If the society is setup to be that I "want" to trade up the ranks of dommes, still no effect on me. It would just be a game mechanic. Ive seen one in a hentai once. I thought it was bible black, but having my doubts. Sub joins family as a staff on hand. Job shows to be sub to all the girls. Mom is top domme over all, with rankings down the ages of the daughters. Recently played a crossdress game, with almost same premise. And I know there is one more in the CD games. Its not undoable, but if you prefer dommes being dommes everywhere, then that culture wouldnt work well for you. Unless its unwilling domination of the lower ranks and its pure power that makes the difference. And YOUR dom fights to gain top dom to show herself. But has no difference on NTR crowd, unless the domination you want to use IS NTR.

I think i need to add, there NTR haters that hate it for other reasons than mine. Another prolific one is the alpha ntr hater. He fucks whatever he wants, she isnt allowed. No discussions possible. Every other male near or in his pack are only soldiers, not fuckers. But I hardly think he would be into a femdom game in the first place :D
 
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You are doing fantastic pre-production work and your passion shows! This game project is very, very promising. If the renders don't suck major ass (and seeing how meticulous you are I don't think they will), I bet in time this will be really popular game.

It would have to be 100% NTR or 0% NTR. A few months back, I made a rule. The player should NEVER have to tolerate something they don't' like, they should always be constantly turned on in the most extreme way and that momentum should never be broken.
This is one thing that worries me a bit, though. When all scenes are always over the top and focusing on the same fetishes, they can quickly lose appeal as the player gets used to them. IMO, it's much more interesting and exciting when scenarios keep varying a bit in nature and intensity, and where we don't always know what to expect.

For example: not knowing how a sex scene will unfold right from the start, wondering if a love-interest will want to fuck a new guy or not (for NTR lovers), wondering if you will get some reward or just humiliation in a BDSM scene (for femdom lovers), etc
 
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What is the reasoning of the sub if their mistress indicates they are going to have an external sexual relationship (for the moment ignoring consensual threesomes - whole other ball game (figuratively and possibly literally).

Reasoning 1) She is my Mistress and mine only, I will not share her: I don't really see this as a relationship with a Mistress, this is a dominatrix/sub relationship in name only. If your game is truly about female dominated BDSM I would expect any player with this approach to be weeded out by choices long before this scenario occurred.

Reasoning 2) I can't bear it, it would break my heart, I will leave her if she does it: I would assume this circumstance was probably one the Mistress has cultivated (via earlier game choices). In this case the Mistress may certainly use the threat and possibly even flirtatious behaviour as a control method. Possibly an occasional deliberate act as punishment. If punishments were frequent I would hope to there was a choice for the sub to walk away (very possibly heartbroken but validated, not actually a bad end but possibly a sad one). There is the real possibility if the relationship survives it becomes stronger and possibly tends more towards monogamony.

Reasoning 3) My Mistress must do as she wishes whatever it costs me: I would assume this is a willingness to be subservient to the point of repeated humiliation. So Mistress largely does as she pleases but may well use her own self denial as a means of rewarding the sub (you are such a good sub Mistress has decided that tonight is especially for you only).

Reasoning 4) I adore my Mistress and am excited and enthralled at anything that brings her happiness: OK Mistress do whatever you want. There is an outside possibility the Mistress might want some level of challenge and eventually get bored of the relationship. On the other hand the Mistress may adore the sub and revel in her complete ownership.

I'm sure there other reasoning scenarios I'm just trying to find a small level of representation across the various possibilities.

In a game I would enjoy that any scenarios could be arrived at through choices made by the subservient MC and that these would be part of the mechanic that led to the Mistress' decisions (it does make for a lot of dev work though).

The amount of work is truly an issue. I think it is why so many games end up taking a specific course through the relationship and a number of them do one path well. Trying to cover a range of paths means a game can end up failing on all of them.

In summary I would suggest pre-defining two or three paths (possibly just one path) to their end point and completing those. Other planned paths could be implemented in subsequent releases.
 
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I need some help from someone who hates NTR, but loves Femdom.

There are 3D renders of your mistress(s) serving drinks on a platter in skimpy outfits; various sexy waitress, serving and walking poses. She's serving drinks to dominant men while the submissive MC watches in agony; she's humiliating him the whole time, telling him how pathetic he is. Obviously, players who dislike NTR most likely will not like this scene. So what's the solution?

(The following image is not a render, nor is it from my game. It's just a random sample image off the net.)
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Imagine the above is one of your mistress. In what story context, of which you find MASSIVELY erotic, would she be serving items of any kind on a platter with you around; as your being humiliated or just hanging out like a good pet?

I want to make sure the players get to enjoy the erotic nature of these renders, but I need story context. I already have some ideas, but I want to know what the first thing that pops in your mind is; then compare it to my current ideas.

If I can't figure this out, the player will lose out on about 4% of content. My goal is to ensure at least 80% of the games content gets to be enjoyed by the player, but without doing a half assed job. It has to be an immense erotic turn on, or it doesn't get shown.
First off, I would be surprised to see a woman I am serving, serving someone else their drinks. Most likely case is the submissive would be the one serving, but maybe I just need the context.

Second, to answer the poll, I love Femdom, however if there is a relationship between the Mistress and submissive, to me NTR is out of the question. Sharing would be ok, but without elements of humiliation. Humiliation is a specific fetish separate from Femdom, and and NTR is a different form of a humiliation fetish and a fetish in and of itself.
 
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Is there a female dominatrix hierarchy based on age, femdomming experience, financial, and social power? If such a hierarchy exists, would the oldest, most experienced female doms, with the most financial and social power, dominate the younger and inexperienced female doms; putting them in a possible position of being submissive; a subordinate? If so, is such an idea erotic? What if your mistress was the one being dominated by a mistress of higher standing, would that be a turn off?

To answer simply a woman can feel dominant to men and submissive to women, however this scenario could make them look weak in the eyes of their submissive. Also there is the problem of "why be submissive to a rank 1 when I could be sub for a rank 5?"

If female doms don't dom lesser and more inexperienced doms, then we can conclude that this BDSM society treats all dominatrix's as equals, regardless of their age, experience, financial or social power. Is that a turn on or turn off?

A turn off no, but not a turn on. To a submissive all dominants are seen as superior.

If we know that female doms exist, of whom enjoy being submissive to dominant men, but dominant over submissive men, could it work the same way in regards to girl on girl? Could a female dom exist, who enjoys being submissive to more powerful dominatrix's, but is dominant over submissive men and women who serve her?

100% Yes, however this should be established in advance to avoid looking weak, and for Non-NTR femdom, avoiding jealousy.

Could there be a female BDSM dominatrix hierarchy that puts lesser female dominatrix's; of lower experience, age, financial and social power, in submissive roles? Yay or nay?

This is advanced BDSM territory. Any help would be appreciated.

Again, yes however, this should not be done in front of the submissive.

If she did guilt trip him, I wouldn't want the submissive player to tolerate such a scene, instead I'd want it to be a massive turn on for them. If it doesn't turn them on, then it should never happen IMO.

I however, like your idea A LOT, but I enjoy both NTR Femdom and Non-NTR femdom, so my perspective is skewed.

You want NTR? This is how we get NTR Lana.

Should the female dom always be seen in a position of power and authority, regardless of their age, femdomming experience, financial, and social power?

Should a 19 year old, inexperienced female dom, who has little money and social status, command just as much authority and respect as a 43 year old CEO female dom who is a billionaire; having massive social status and prestige? If the answer is no, can the 43 year old CEO dominate the 19 year old dominatrix, or should the 19 year old still never be seen in a submissive role?


Here's another idea, please comment on it:

RANK 5 Dominatrix dominates RANK 4 Dominatrix; putting the rank 4 in a submissive role.
RANK 4 Dominatrix dominates RANK 3 Dominatrix; rank 4 remains in dominant position, but is not at the top of the food chain.
Rank 2...
Rank 1... New to femdomming, young and experienced, has yet to amass financial and social status/power. CAn this rank 1 dominatrix be in a submissive role, yet still maintain respect among her submissive loyal to her? BE HONEST.

Or is this the wrong mentality?

I like this secret society mentality, and its a fantastic idea, however as I stated before, be careful about doing this in front of a submissive. They should know whats going on, but not be privy to seeing their dominant in a position of weakness that the dominant doesn't necessarily want to be in. This is assuming that the dominant would rather be at the top of the power structure.

Imagine you're with your mistress in a street alley. You get approached by a gang who is going to attack you. Even though you're playing a submissive MC, do you see your character as powerful, strong, an excellent fighter, a bulldog that protects his mistress? So the mistress sicks you on the enemy gang like a dog, correct? If you play this kind of submissive MC, she will not cheat on her bulldog (YOU). Sound good?

This is the latter: You're playing a submissive MC who is weak, frail, pathetic and your mistress protects you, and you try to back her up as best as you can. She enjoys getting fucked by better men than you. Does this sound right? She only keeps you around for other reasons, but she has her real men who pleasure her properly with their strength, sexual technique and endowment.

Scenario 2 here is NTR and does not apply to us Non-NTR Folk.


I'm trying to determine the precise reasoning why a mistress would choose to fuck other men over the submissive MC, or why she'd stay loyal to him.

Change OTHER to as well as, often sharing in a D/s relationship is ok, and as far as why, there is more than ONLY the Femdom relationship. Romance often happens in D/s relationships (that are not for money).

I may have gone way to far here, sorry for the long post, but I really hope this all helps. Looking forward to seeing what you create.
 
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hakarlman

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cucking is literally maledom, couldn't be further from femdom
It seems that you're claiming cuckolding stems from only one form of domination. I disagree, but there is still some truth to your argument.

Cuckolding can stem from:
- Netorase: A dominant husband or boyfriend (dominated by no one), who chooses who his wife or gf has sex with.
- Femdom: A submissive husband or boyfriend who submits to his wife or gf(s) ONLY. If her male lovers were to challenge or dominate him, he would get pissed off and fight that male, because he's not bisexual.
- Maledom: A bisexual submissive husband or boyfriend who may also submit to his wife or gf(s) male lover, but in addition to his wife/gf, which would make it both maledom & femdom.

The above is my current methodology. I'm open to clarification. (I hope this help any future adult game makers interested in this genre. PM me for more information.)
 

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A big penis is not everything! I've met guys with very modest sexes that gave me much more pleasure than some misused big beams!
Believing that it is the size that gives pleasure implies a flagrant ignorance of the female body.
This is true. Yet, how can I make an erotic and highly stimulating 3D render of an average dick guy fucking a vagina? Most porn purposely features big dicks in tight pussies because it looks good on camera. That same theory applies to porn game renders and drawings. Let's say, I make the guys dick size four inches, but I explain in the game that this guy knows how to impact the clitoris upon every thrust; one of the signs of an expert lover. The fact remains that I would be creating a render of a four inch penis penetrating a vagina. IMO, that doesn't make for a visually erotic image. So, I understand that in real life, a guy with a small dick can be an EXPERT lover, but could I actually make any money from turning that small dick guy into a porn star? Do people want to see small dicks going into pussies? That's the issue.

This is why your a meme.
Read my argument above so you understand.

If you want to make a game with 2d or 3d visuals featuring small dick male lovers being sex gods, go for it! lol. I'm going to pass on that one.
 
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I am not claiming to be an authority in any way so what I'm about to post may be drivel but ...

Subsequent EDIT: what I have described appears closer to NTR than cuckoldry, see subsequent posts with fitgirlbestgirl

Firstly cuckolding requires the participation of three individuals
1) The Cuckold or Cucknee (hereinafter referred to as cuck to get round gender issues).
2) The partner whom the cuck is in love with (or at the very least infatuated with).
3) The third party whom the partner has sex with (hereinafter referred to as lover).

The following steps take place
1) The partner arranges to have a sexual tryst with the lover and ensures the cuck will winess it.
2) The partner is fully aware this will humiliate and emotionally hurt the cuck.

Admittedly the witnessing could be done by the cuck being played a recording of the tryst but it would need to be done in the partner's presence to maximise the humiliation.

My feeling is that if the cuck is in any way complicit in the action then this becomes some form of open (or at least partially open) relationship (and in fact the cuck is not a cuck).

I have the feeling this will be disagreed with but I expect it is related to cultural/social/religious/philosophical influences during earlier life.

Edit: and the genders of the three individuals can be anything they want.
 
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I am not claiming to be an authority in any way so what I'm about to post may be drivel but ...
Yeah, it is. Cuckolding neither requires the cuckold to be present nor the awareness that the act will "humiliate and emotionally hurt the cuck." Cuckolding does not have to be about humiliation and degradation. It can be and often is, but that is not a requirement. Cuckolding is not synonymous with the Japanese understanding of NTR where it's literally about emotionally hurting the protagonist.
 

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Yeah, it is. Cuckolding neither requires the cuckold to be present nor the awareness that the act will "humiliate and emotionally hurt the cuck." Cuckolding does not have to be about humiliation and degradation. It can be and often is, but that is not a requirement. Cuckolding is not synonymous with the Japanese understanding of NTR where it's literally about emotionally hurting the protagonist.
So does that mean that if a partner has a secret affair then that is a form of cuckolding ?
 

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So does that mean that if a partner has a secret affair then that is a form of cuckolding ?
No, I would say knowledge is a required aspect, as is (even reluctant) acquiescence in some form. Otherwise it's just cheating.
 

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No, I would say knowledge is a required aspect, as is (even reluctant) acquiescence in some form. Otherwise it's just cheating.
But an affair that subsequently became known to all parties (assuming it was subsequently accepted) ?
Or does the knowledge need to be gained at the same time as the act ?
 

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But an affair that subsequently became known to all parties ?
Or does the knowledge need to be gained at the same time as the act ?
I mean you could turn an affair into a cuckolding situation, if the cuckold accepts that, but he obviously could also just go "fuck you, cheating whore, I'm out of here." For me the point is that at some level the cuckold has to accept his situation, even if he isn't completely comfortable with it. So, he has to know and "consent", but other than that, he doesn't have to be there if she doesn't allow him to and he doesn't get to participate unless she allows him to.
 
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I am not claiming to be an authority in any way so what I'm about to post may be drivel but ...

Firstly cuckolding requires the participation of three individuals
1) The Cuckold or Cucknee (hereinafter referred to as cuck to get round gender issues).
2) The partner whom the cuck is in love with (or at the very least infatuated with).
3) The third party whom the partner has sex with (hereinafter referred to as lover).

The following steps take place
1) The partner arranges to have a sexual tryst with the lover and ensures the cuck will winess it.
2) The partner is fully aware this will humiliate and emotionally hurt the cuck.

Admittedly the witnessing could be done by the cuck being played a recording of the tryst but it would need to be done in the partner's presence to maximise the humiliation.
Sounds super hot so far! This is going to be in the game I'm making. If you like this, you'll love what I'm making. You can watch all the women get fucked constantly while recording them in many scenarios. You can even jerk off or wear a chastity device.

My feeling is that if the cuck is in any way complicit in the action then this becomes some form of open (or at least partially open) relationship (and in fact the cuck is not a cuck).
If she issued an ultimatum, "accept me fucking other guys or our relationship is over!", and her boyfriend or husband reluctantly accepts, then he's a cuckold.

If she suggests the idea, of her getting fucked by other men, seeking APPROVAL from her boyfriend or husband, then the male is not a cuckold, in fact he is the dominant one and in control; this is called Netorase. The opposite is also Netorase; if the male comes up with the idea for her to get fucked by other guys.

I'm open to any form of clarification and speculation. Your analysis helps me immensely.
 

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I mean you could turn an affair into a cuckolding situation, if the cuckold accepts that, but he obviously could also just go "fuck you, cheating whore, I'm out of here." For me the point is that at some level the cuckold has to accept his situation, even if he isn't completely comfortable with it. So, he has to know and "consent", but other than that, he doesn't have to be there if she doesn't allow him to and he doesn't get to participate unless she allows him to.
Damn you fitgirlbestgirl, that means while I can still claim never to have been involved in NTR it appears I was for a while cucked.
Another lump of self respect splits off and tumbles to the floor shattering into thousands of tiny shards.
 
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Sounds super hot so far! This is going to be in the game I'm making. If you like this, you'll love what I'm making. You can watch all the women get fucked constantly while recording them in many scenarios. You can even jerk off or wear a chastity device.



If she issued an ultimatum, "accept me fucking other guys or our relationship is over!", and her boyfriend or husband reluctantly accepts, then he's a cuckold.

If she suggests the idea, of her getting fucked by other men, seeking APPROVAL from her boyfriend or husband, then the male is not a cuckold, in fact he is the dominant one and in control; this is called Netorase. The opposite is also Netorase; if the male comes up with the idea for her to get fucked by other guys.

I'm open to any form of clarification and speculation. Your analysis helps me immensely.
Hakarlman, I would definitely take your own opinions and fitgirlbestgirls before mine.
 
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Damn you fitgirlbestgirl, that means while I can still claim never to have been involved in NTR it appears I was for a while cucked.
Another lump of self respect splits off and tumbles to the floor shattering into thousands of tiny shards.
There's no shame in being a cuckold, unless you want there to be.
 
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