Italian website selling porn games and claiming to own the copyright for them

[Master of Puppets]

Yes, here is what I'll be sending them to prove she's over the age of 18, clearly an adult, and so on.

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Hopefully that will do the trick. The "Everyone is over 18" disclaimer probably doesn't count for much, but it's made very clear by the rest that she "really is" over 18 and it's not just an excuse ("Yes, she's flat as a board and in junior high, but she's over 18! Honest!" )

I'll certainly second the suggestions to look for a second support platform though (I'm pretty sure I said this myself previously, so I guess I'm seconding myself), even if this gets resolved - you never know what they'll object to in the future; rape is already against their rules (IIRC), BDSM is very politically incorrect, and sex-slaves don't seem the safest thing either. How many hands are you willing to tie behind your back when writing, or how much are you willing to hide behind the truestory code?

 

[elm0]

i think in future versions game any picture ll have watermarks like "FU giochi"...

 

[c3p0]

I propaply would insert some big birthday scene that Ashly turns 18/19 before she move to the hotel. If they don't buy it, then I doub any other way to convince them looks difficulty.

Other than that, sure a second option to Patreon never hurt, but I don't know any of them who claim that adult content are entirely in the scope of their ToS. Most of them don't rule them out per se and many have an adult only feature. But also have some part in their ToS against some adult content and often theiry definition is unclear.

Prohibited Uses
In addition to other prohibitions as set forth in the Terms of Service, you are prohibited from using the site or its content: (a) for any unlawful purpose; (b) to solicit others to perform or participate in any unlawful acts; (c) to violate any international, federal, provincial or state regulations, rules, laws, or local ordinances; (d) to infringe upon or violate our intellectual property rights or the intellectual property rights of others; (e) to harass, abuse, insult, harm, defame, slander, disparage, intimidate, or discriminate based on gender, sexual orientation, religion, ethnicity, race, age, national origin, or disability; (f) to submit false or misleading information; (g) to upload or transmit viruses or any other type of malicious code that will or may be used in any way that will affect the functionality or operation of the Service or of any related website, other websites, or the Internet; (h) to collect or track the personal information of others; (i) to spam, phish, pharm, pretext, spider, crawl, or scrape; (j) for any obscene or immoral purpose; or (k) to interfere with or circumvent the security features of the Service or any related website, other websites, or the Internet.
We reserve the right to terminate your use of the Service or any related website for violating any of the prohibited uses.

 

[Notretsam]

sorry @Runey , I was convinced Patreon not do anything to you but guess they decided that character looks under 18, which she could be seen as.

Maybe should have had something on homepage stating the setting is college, although here in Scotland, you can be 16 and at college.

hopefully they allow you edit the page and that be enough for them, but even though I agreed with Patreon on no incest, I still wary of them when it comes to how they judge content, especially wary now of them. Which is why I plan to use my own website and stripe for payment processing, instead of relying on patreon with paypal.

it really sucks, it should be clear to them that its your game and he selling it, so they should really be protecting you as a customer as well. seems there more interested in implementing there rules than aiding there customers with a legit copyright infringement complaint.

 

[fidless]

All they're doing is the same as everyone else uploading media they didn't make for profit. Well anyway I was just wondering why Runey picked at this particular company when it's just one of hundreds, and why he cares about any of these hundreds of sites doing it when he's still making 8k+ a month like always and it has no effect on him. I would only care If this negatively affected me somehow.

There's a difference when someone like giocchisomething starts claiming it's their game, probably edits the game and removes every link to its original developer and starts harassing the creators with the intent to ruin their game and shut down his source of income.

 

[Runey]

sorry @Runey , I was convinced Patreon not do anything to you but guess they decided that character looks under 18, which she could be seen as.

Maybe should have had something on homepage stating the setting is college, although here in Scotland, you can be 16 and at college.

hopefully they allow you edit the page and that be enough for them, but even though I agreed with Patreon on no incest, I still wary of them when it comes to how they judge content, especially wary now of them. Which is why I plan to use my own website and stripe for payment processing, instead of relying on patreon with paypal.

it really sucks, it should be clear to them that its your game and he selling it, so they should really be protecting you as a customer as well. seems there more interested in implementing there rules than aiding there customers with a legit copyright infringement complaint.

It's stated in many places she is in college. One of the first things you saw on my page was "Ashley: A college student recently kicked out of her parents home"

It's about her small breasts and that she's wearing a school uniform. Although it looks like they're willing to give me pass if I provide context of her clearly being 18+

 

[Notretsam]

It's stated in many places she is in college. One of the first things you saw on my page was "Ashley: A college student recently kicked out of her parents home"

It's about her small breasts and that she's wearing a school uniform. Although it looks like they're willing to give me pass if I provide context of her clearly being 18+

pleased to hear they given you a chance to clearly show her age.

Yeah as I said in my last post and something I realised when typing last post, was a 16 year old can be at college here in Scotland, so saying they at college doesn't exactly confirm they over 18.

Am currently developing story and have 3 female characters that don't look exactly like Ashley but of similar age, so was little concerned, as I planned to say they was at college as well, think I may change that now.

 

[Avaron1974]

Sadly a lot of it does revolve around physical appearance. I mean i'm in my mid 20's, 18 is the legal drinking age here and I still have to provide ID because i'm small and my twin got all the tit.

Hopefully they won't demand Ashley have a model update to make her look older but i'm not holding my breath.

Granted she isn't what i'd go for but I do like her character and it seems some story, especially that of Kate, seems to revolve around Ashley's appearance. It would be a shame to alter that as I think we may lose a bit of story and I was interested to see where Kate's story was going. I like character so blunt it makes other uncomfortable, they make me chuckle. It's how I tolerated Bones for as long as I did.

 

[fidless]

Give her an ID.

 

[random.person]

Sadly a lot of it does revolve around physical appearance. I mean i'm in my mid 20's, 18 is the legal drinking age here and I still have to provide ID because i'm small and my twin got all the tit.

Hopefully they won't demand Ashley have a model update to make her look older but i'm not holding my breath.

Granted she isn't what i'd go for but I do like her character and it seems some story, especially that of Kate, seems to revolve around Ashley's appearance. It would be a shame to alter that as I think we may lose a bit of story and I was interested to see where Kate's story was going. I like character so blunt it makes other uncomfortable, they make me chuckle. It's how I tolerated Bones for as long as I did.

Are you Felicity?

 

[aolli]

Are you Felicity?

If you are hit me up.

 

[recreation]

Are you Felicity?

If you are hit me up.

lol guys... felicity is 20 and not mid twenty and she's hetero

 

[Lykanz]

lol guys... felicity is 20 and not mid twenty and she's hetero

She's straight?

Well, so is spaghetti until it gets hot and wet.

 

[recreation]

She's straight?

Well, so is spaghetti until it gets hot and wet.

okay, but that demands the question which one tastes better?

 

[sub-c]

Finally! An update from Patreon! Not as bad as I thought it'd be.

Basically, I need to provide proof to them that Ashley is over 18 in the story's context.

"The fact that"
"The fact that"
"The fact that"

I understand their concerns but since when did personal opinions become facts? This should be the issue here, the real problem lies with them thinking she looks under aged not because she is under aged. You could very easily say something along the same lines as their way of thinking "The fact that people come in all shapes and sizes, women in particular, etc, etc.." but you will always be wrong to these people. Hopefully your recent response to what you plan to send them is enough to change their minds on the matter. I know the same doesn't really apply here and that it's been mentioned a fair few times already but countless porn actresses are forced to provide proof of their age because there are a lot of "petite and underdeveloped" looking porn actresses out there that also happen to wear "clothes associated with being underaged" yet the world is fine with it because of the proof provided that the woman in question is indeed of an age of consent.

If they want to hit you with real world morals on fictional content then real world occurrences should be allowed as proof and evidence that not every character that doesn't have DD sized breasts, child birthing hips and a mature attitude is a child. I understand the complications with fictional media and real world policies/laws but I really hope they take what you've said/are going to say to them seriously with all the proof you're providing that she is being represented as an adult and not as a child. Ashley as a character and her heart warming/wenching story are amazing to me and it would hurt for you to have to change her to conform to personal opinions based on how she looks.

It's a shame you have to be the one to defend yourself from patreon rather than them investigating the content themselves to see the proof you're offering, good luck Runey and I hope you come out on top here.

 

[おい！]

Sadly a lot of it does revolve around physical appearance. I mean i'm in my mid 20's, 18 is the legal drinking age here and I still have to provide ID because i'm small and my twin got all the tit.

Hopefully they won't demand Ashley have a model update to make her look older but i'm not holding my breath.

Granted she isn't what i'd go for but I do like her character and it seems some story, especially that of Kate, seems to revolve around Ashley's appearance. It would be a shame to alter that as I think we may lose a bit of story and I was interested to see where Kate's story was going. I like character so blunt it makes other uncomfortable, they make me chuckle. It's how I tolerated Bones for as long as I did.

You forgot to say that 16 is the legal shagging age in the UK.

 

[redknight00]

"The fact that"
"The fact that"
"The fact that"

I understand their concerns but since when did personal opinions become facts? This should be the issue here, the real problem lies with them thinking she looks under aged not because she is under aged. You could very easily say something along the same lines as their way of thinking "The fact that people come in all shapes and sizes, women in particular, etc, etc.." but you will always be wrong to these people. Hopefully your recent response to what you plan to send them is enough to change their minds on the matter. I know the same doesn't really apply here and that it's been mentioned a fair few times already but countless porn actresses are forced to provide proof of their age because there are a lot of "petite and underdeveloped" looking porn actresses out there that also happen to wear "clothes associated with being underaged" yet the world is fine with it because of the proof provided that the woman in question is indeed of an age of consent.

If they want to hit you with real world morals on fictional content then real world occurrences should be allowed as proof and evidence that not every character that doesn't have DD sized breasts, child birthing hips and a mature attitude is a child. I understand the complications with fictional media and real world policies/laws but I really hope they take what you've said/are going to say to them seriously with all the proof you're providing that she is being represented as an adult and not as a child. Ashley as a character and her heart warming/wenching story are amazing to me and it would hurt for you to have to change her to conform to personal opinions based on how she looks.

It's a shame you have to be the one to defend yourself from patreon rather than them investigating the content themselves to see the proof you're offering, good luck Runey and I hope you come out on top here.

It sucks, but all one has to go for fictional characters are their looks and personality (just the former in case of patreon because they will not play games). A real actress can show her ID and fill as many official forms as needed, so regardless of her looks, it's all legal, a fictional character, on the other hand, can only be judged by how they are perceived and that's open to personal bias.

 

[おい！]

okay, but that demands the question which one tastes better?

and of course

 

[Amenahek]

Aaaaand this would be the point where I figure out how I transition away from Patreon. I wouldn't want to be dependent on a platform who judges which of my characters is "appropriate for being sexualized."

Once again, this particular issue (porn) isn't Patreon, it's the payment processors. I know because besides porn games, I also commission subtitles for JAV, and the sites that host that stuff are also getting hit with demands over these issues by their payment processors like securion, verotel, etc.

Until the payment processors change their stance, no amount of Patreon alternatives will be any better for porn.

 

[tomcire]

As a representative of the Italian fapper community I offer myself as an amateur translator to translate one game in Italian to purify my country in the eye of the god of fapping.
A completed game with about 20k (30k max) words. Any kind of game, completed because I don't want to take responsibility to translate updates and 20k words are a lot.