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Gifts do have a purpose, you're just too nice of a guy to make them useful ;)

Vending machine will never have a use.
Hm...time to ruin some girls' lives, then!

And why does the vending machine exist, then? To waste our money?
 

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I successfully reverse compiled Harem Hotel. I reverse compiled gui.rpyc, options.rpyc, screens.rpyc, script.rpyc, and script_event_delays.rpyc into .rpy source files. I now have the full source code for the game and have successfully recompiled the game into .rpyc files. I don't plan on sharing it, I'm just using it to make my own changes. I have the utmost respect for Runey but we don't see eye to eye on some things. No offense intended in any way.

Overall, I really dislike Ren'Py coding because it is really only meant to be a scene player with minimal features outside of this focus. Ren'Py doesn't allow for structured coding and it has to rely on Python scripts to accomplish a lot of things. It is very popular however. Most players love Ren'Py games but as a coder I hate it.

As everyone else I'm really looking forward to future releases! I completed the survey also (great job on that).
I'm not really sure what your points are, but:
  • Decompiling Ren'Py games is really easy with UnRen. I do it all the time.
  • Python is a legitimate high-level scripting language. Ren'Py is built on top of Python, which gives you the ability to do ANYTHING. I say this as a c++ and Python programmer, who knows just a little about Ren'Py.
 

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Hm...time to ruin some girls' lives, then!

And why does the vending machine exist, then? To waste our money?
It was a joke in the discord server. And I was already remaking the lobby at the time ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I'm not really sure what your points are, but:
  • Decompiling Ren'Py games is really easy with UnRen. I do it all the time.
  • Python is a legitimate high-level scripting language. Ren'Py is built on top of Python, which gives you the ability to do ANYTHING. I say this as a c++ and Python programmer, who knows just a little about Ren'Py.
It's true, there are quite a lot of things you can do in Renpy, however, I don't think you can use Python to do anything in Renpy. Renpy is a VN/2D Game maker program, whereas I believe you can code any type of game with python itself.

In other words (I believe this is how it works) Python is very useful, but Renpy is very strict.
 

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It was a joke in the discord server. And I was already remaking the lobby at the time ¯\_(ツ)_/¯



It's true, there are quite a lot of things you can do in Renpy, however, I don't think you can use Python to do anything in Renpy. Renpy is a VN/2D Game maker program, whereas I believe you can code any type of game with python itself.

In other words (I believe this is how it works) Python is very useful, but Renpy is very strict.
Granted, I don't know if you can write a 3d shooter in Ren'Py. But look at Milfy City. ICSTOR's programmer has done some marvelous things that a lot of people thought you couldn't do in Ren'Py.
 
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If you can execute raw Python then the sky is the limit. If there is some filter where you're only allowed to execute a small subset of commands then it may be more difficult. I've never worked with RenPy, but I'd think the former is more likely.
 

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Renpy can execute any pure python code (and use any pure python library), the problem is renpy can't execute C, which is what a lot of python libraries use to do more complicated things (numpy, Tkinter, etc.). So renpy can do anything pure python can do, but pure python is pretty bad for most games, Pythons strength comes from it's libraries, which Renpy can't use most of.
 

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Granted, I don't know if you can write a 3d shooter in Ren'Py. But look at Milfy City. ICSTOR's programmer has done some marvelous things that a lot of people thought you couldn't do in Ren'Py.
I've never played Milfy City, do you have any examples of what they've done? I've been learning quite a lot about Renpy since I started Harem Hotel, and I always love learning more.
 
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I've never played Milfy City, do you have any examples of what they've done? I've been learning quite a lot about Renpy since I started Harem Hotel, and I always love learning more.

If you wanna get really experimental, this guy made a functioning desktop in renpy for some reason.
 

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I've never played Milfy City, do you have any examples of what they've done? I've been learning quite a lot about Renpy since I started Harem Hotel, and I always love learning more.
I highly recommend Milfy City.

It's got a free roaming world, but it doesn't feel grindy. There are 5 (6 with the Aunt) main girls, and they have independent stories. There are also some side chicks that have a little bit. Navigation is pretty easy, and there are clickables in the environment - some hidden, some in plain sight.

Most Ren'Py games have 1 script file, or 1 series of script files. Milfy City jumps to a new set of scripts at each location, very modular.

Renpy can execute any pure python code (and use any pure python library), the problem is renpy can't execute C, which is what a lot of python libraries use to do more complicated things (numpy, Tkinter, etc.). So renpy can do anything pure python can do, but pure python is pretty bad for most games, Pythons strength comes from it's libraries, which Renpy can't use most of.
I don't believe this is true. RenPyTom said this:
If it's a python module, then you can just drop it into the game directory and import it. If it is a C extension module, then it's really hard... you have to compile things for the right version of python on multiple platforms.
source:

If you're using the python you're shipping in your game, then you only have to compile things for that python. And that is something I've had experience with. I had to get 1 python distribution to run on multiple versions of Linux. The hard part was the SSL libraries - openssl 1.0 and openssl 1.1 are incompatible, and older Linux variants use 1.0 while newer ones use 1.1. So I built the ssl module shared library on both, and changed hashlib.py to import the correct one.
 

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RenPyTom said this:


source:

If you're using the python you're shipping in your game, then you only have to compile things for that python. And that is something I've had experience with. I had to get 1 python distribution to run on multiple versions of Linux. The hard part was the SSL libraries - openssl 1.0 and openssl 1.1 are incompatible, and older Linux variants use 1.0 while newer ones use 1.1. So I built the ssl module shared library on both, and changed hashlib.py to import the correct one.
I stand corrected.
 

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Ok finally almost wrapped up to current version .5.3 ? And got to say the elf competition was brutal for me... I already voiced my opinion on the slavery thing, and this competition while it had its fun moments it was mostly painful to witness...

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Gifts do have a purpose, you're just too nice of a guy to make them useful ;)

Vending machine will never have a use.
Not that I wanted to come across as a complete nerd, since I never learned them myself, but which dialect of LotR elvish are you using ? Sindarin (wood and half elves) or Quenya (High Elves) ?
 

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Ok finally almost wrapped up to current version .5.3 ? And got to say the elf competition was brutal for me... I already voiced my opinion on the slavery thing, and this competition while it had its fun moments it was mostly painful to witness...
Might want to put that in a spoiler

Thanks for the feedback! There's a lot I could say, but I wont. All I'll say is you'll enjoy v0.6, remember this comment and come back to it in a month.

Not that I wanted to come across as a complete nerd, since I never learned them myself, but which dialect of LotR elvish are you using ? Sindarin (wood and half elves) or Quenya (High Elves) ?
Hah, I don't know. I googled Evlish translator.
 

TheDevian

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Is Maria's story tied to Ashley's? I can't seem to trigger anything new with her, but there is a lot more to do.

ok thanks , i will try both side...
If it's Lin, odds are, it's the cum outside one. It's hard to find the option for that, since she likes to keep things neat, but there are a few rare occasions. :LOL:
I see nothing wrong with these "cons". Just because they don't cater to your tastes doesn't mean they're a con. And you're being really rude against orcs when they've done nothing wrong.
My only issue is that I haven't been able to buy/obtain them all yet! :whistle: Hopefully the guy we decided not to punch will give us more soon. ;)
 

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Is Maria's story tied to Ashley's? I can't seem to trigger anything new with her, but there is a lot more to do.


If it's Lin, odds are, it's the cum outside one. It's hard to find the option for that, since she likes to keep things neat, but there are a few rare occasions. :LOL:

My only issue is that I haven't been able to buy/obtain them all yet! :whistle: Hopefully the guy we decided not to punch will give us more soon. ;)
Some of Maria's events are tied to Ashley, those same events are also tied to Maria.

Cum Slut is cumming on them. Cumdump is cumming inside

You'll be able to buy Jin, among some other's as well.
 

TheDevian

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Some of Maria's events are tied to Ashley, those same events are also tied to Maria.

Cum Slut is cumming on them. Cumdump is cumming inside

You'll be able to buy Jin, among some other's as well.
Thanks. That's too bad, I really like Maria, but I am not a fan of Ashley, though I do like her mom (wish she looked more like that), hopefully we will get some time with her later. ;)

I knew Jin would be available ...eventually, hope we get all of the girls in the contest too, they all deserve some love. :love:
 
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Thanks. That's too bad, I really like Maria, but I am not a fan of Ashley, though I do like her mom (wish she looked more like that), hopefully we will get some time with her later. ;)

I knew Jin would be available ...eventually, hope we get all of the girls in the contest too, they all deserve some love. :love:
I don't want to speculate, but I am certain we'll probably get Sui at least. As for the others, IDK. I'm with ya, it'd be nice to get them, especially Sylvia and Serni, but we'll see. It's nice we'll be able to buy Jin. I have nearly five grand saved up, so hopefully it's soon.
 
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