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They developed consciousness and now live quietly in the forest as hermitages.
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The last thing I read was that Ocean got so frustrated about not being able to upload his game to steam. That he decided to go kill Gabe Newell.
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I naively believed that you would now tell us your magnificent theory. But instead you just shit in the comments........It's disappointing.
LOL thanks for reminding about that horrible second season but holy shit you are so right both him and the Summer's Gone MC had ED cause of mental issues.
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An interesting theory, it may well be. Especially considering that Bella's path, there are hints that their story is not much different and as we learn in chapter 5, her sister is in a coma. However, I understand the dissatisfaction of many people with this character(Summer). If you look at the experience of other AVNs, the appearance of exes mainly brings a lot of negativity. They seem unnecessary, appear mostly out of nowhere and, as a rule, by this moment the public already has their favorites, so they are rare find interest. All this multiplies if it creates confusion with the feelings of the past MC (plot) vs the control of players who are not very interested in this, at least. Take for example AVN, which I recently played. Leap of faith (?). In some moment an ex appears there, with the storyline that she loves MC, but she has a husband who is very dangerous. In the eyes of the author, there is an interesting plot, the fight for the princess against some powerful guy, so many emotions, so much drama..... ..and this apparently did not find a response from the audience, since this character then disappears for a long time, and then there is some kind of ridiculous story about espionage and the fact that her marriage is a fiction. All this leaves some disappointment. Something similar could could very well happen to Leia's character from Wiab. There are hints that the love path storyline will be somewhat reminiscent of the ex from the mentioned Leap of faith. Then, I would say that Leia has a very high chance of falling from the throne of favorites.
However, everything said earlier contrasts sharply with SG. Here it is in name of Summer that the game is called, her story, her disappearance played a significant role on the MC, her shadow still weighs on him, her story runs parallel to the present and there is a considerable chance that her plot is woven into the main story of the future. And what will come of it, only time will tell.Summer has a difference from the simple *exes* other AVNs.
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I don’t think Summer is in a coma, i imagine if she would be, Bella‘s sister wouldn’t be in a coma too or Ocean at least wouldn’t have shown it to us.
would be weird if multiple of the „lost“ characters are hanging around in coma over years and years lol.
I disagree about everything else.
I think Ex‘es coming back are nice and (can) enrich the story no matter if you chose them or not. Love Zoey for example and Steph whom you mentioned is fine too even tho her background is utterly nonsensical.
Imo there is just a minority of players who gets weirdly insecure about the MCs feelings/emotions at times when it’s not about their chosen one.
I don’t get what you’re saying about Leia other than that she’s (somewhat as far as possible for a sister ..) is the MCs „Ex“ and she surely hasn’t a guy or even fake-guy around.
Don’t think she’s a fan favorite either, she gets a lot of hate and distrust for her (imo warranted) rude behavior towards William.
Usually ironically the same kind of players who dislike summer and want to „punish“ her if she comes back.
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I also hope Summer's only seen in flashbacks. It seems cheap to make a game about an absence then flip it to be about a dialectical style choice between past and current/ongoing future. I would hope Ocean wouldn't do that, simply because there's barely enough time in his current development to fit in all the paths and the overaching story before bringing in the reveal, and throwing all the paths into chaos, requiring further resolution.
If Summer must return, I'd love for her to stay out of Nika's life, witnessing that he's okay, maybe in 20 years Ocean starts a game called Summer, telling her story, so the narrative passes to new perspectives. Currently SUmmer's absence is effectively the antagonist, for the antagonist to be wiped out through a simple twist of fate negates most of Nika's character development. In this case, better have her reappear in CH6 before it gets to complicated to re-establish things.
But who knows? Exploring the question of whether remaining faithful to the past or faithful to the present is a genuine question for a lot of people, so it's still a very valid choice to bring her back. I'd just be more interested in seeing how Nika makes peace with his memories because we all have ghosts of friends past that haunt our minds unresolved. That kind of disconnect is a more interesting story to me anyway.
Ocean's already shown he'll tell the story he wants regardless of anyone's opinion, so if 'Summer's Gone' becomes 'Summer: There and back again' well, I'll have to deal with it just like all the Mila fans, and the OG MC fans. It is what it is either way.
Edit: Another thing. Summer's gone, and so are her parents. Otherwise Nika wouldn't need Emilio's services, or could ask Elsa. ie it's far bigger than just Summer being gone.
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Exactly.
Would it be a school essay, the author would get a lesser mark for not following the theme of the title.
As I've said before:
Summer's gone. When in doubt, check the title again.
The story is about coping with the fact that Summer is gone and trying to move forward from there. Summer re-appearing would cancel the story, at least turn the original overview and the title meaningless.
Would it be a school essay, the author would get a lesser mark for not following the theme of the title.
As I've said before:
Summer's gone. When in doubt, check the title again.
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However, statistics say the opposite. Each developer is limited by limited resources (time). Therefore, we usually see the majority of events with the favorites of the main public. If the developer tries to balance in favor of less interesting characters, events with favorites are greatly reduced, the developer fears losing the audience with Patreon, and with it money. Nothing personal, just money. And now let’s return to Zoe from Leap of faith. Compare the amount of her screen time and the public’s favorites. After her appearance, she disappeared for a long time (for some reason the public didn’t shout for her back, but wanted to see CeCe more), then the developer tried to regain her popularity by adding a plot with espionage, which looked strange, to put it mildly. But Zoe never made it into the top favorite characters. Let's move on. Badik. Did the ex compare with the main characters in popularity? This can also be seen by the amount of screen time. And so on and so forth .
You claim that exes bring an interesting twist to AVN. But then please give an example of at least one popular AVN where the ex was in the top 3 or at least had the same amount of screen time. I say all this to the fact that exes are rarely so interesting to the majority of the public, which means there will be little screen time. Nothing personal, it’s just that the developer, for obvious reasons, wants to create not an arthouse, but a blockbuster.
Now we return to Ocean, SG and look at the popularity of characters such as Nami and Bella, the amount of their screen time and other, less popular characters. And we also remember his words that the number of LI will be significantly reduced. The answer is very simple. The developer has limited time and he can spend it on ..... favorites. The strongest survive, so to speak. PS: I don’t quite understand your words about Leia’s hate, if you look at the forum, discord, etc., she’s in the top 3 favorites, along with Miru and Keti. So far...
The girl from LoF is Steph. Zoey is the ex from badik I mentioned as another example (I thought you would know her, sorry).
Your comparison is nonsensical, of course people wanted more Cece (or Lexi) because they were the best LIs while Steph was kinda so-so but that isn’t necessarily about her ex status.
Of course the ex has less screentime when the plot requires her to „come back
Zoey first appearance is at the end of ep8, how is she supposed to have as much screentime as the rest like that? What kind of weird requirements are you making up here?
since than she had a good amount of screentime.
Allison from race of life is a ex and fan favorite too (polarizing tho) for you’re required proof.
… feel free to prove to me that the majority of players dislike an ex in an avn solely because of the ex status ..
Im aware that some players dislike the ex trope but I don’t think it’s a majority
but whatever
imo you’re whole point is moot, your arguing from a fear of an ex stealing precious screentime of your fav LI(s) but in our case, Summer is appearing and getting screentime all the time anyway through flashbacks.
Summer has her screentime already and the flashbacks could just change to her being back.
i dont even know if would want that tho, Ocean would have to have a REALLY good plot prepared for her abscene/coming back to make that even somewhat possible.
I at least lack the imagination how her return could be cool and not nonsensical for the story.
But contrary to the posters above, im sure she will reappear, Ocean wants us to like her. The birthday flashback would have been kinda unnecessary otherwise for example.
about Leia: That’s great, no clue about the polls but I read a lot of (imo unwarranted) hate towards her
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Sorry for what i´m going to say but... Is not like Bella is pregnant or something is that photo?
Yes, she hasn´t a big belly but for some reason she seems diferent to me, for some reason i remembered her belly more "defined", like a sport woman.
But don´t kill me, i still finding her beautiful.
Nuh uh
The problem for me is that i don´t have any feelings about Summer, we are hanging so many time with the girls that i don´t remember Summer in any of my paths, i know the plot is for her dissapearances but nothing more...
If she returns i don´t think i will like her like the other girls, is just a question of time, at least if she returns (if she returns) in the final chapters, if she returns in the middle of the plot maybe she can gain our hearts but it seems difficult to me... Is a simple question of screen time, characters with more screen time will have more impact on us.
However i´m not sure about her return in the story, Summer is the cause of Nika´s trauma and i don´t think she will be back.
And if she returns would be an absolute big punch in Nika emotions... Just imagine what would happen to our poor Nika if when he is cured suddenly Summer appears.
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This is where it's at for me. I haven't decided which LI I'll really care about, it's the concern that Summer's absence becomes a weak story device, while currently it is a strong one, driving all of Nika's dysfunction. By weaking the main plot device, the story needs something stronger to support the challenges that disruption of narrative flow brings. A couple of scenarios:
- Summer returns, and thanks the aliens that kidnapped her and her family for their hopsitality, the tabletop game was a foreshadowing of the change to the plot. Weak or strong? I can actually think of a couple of VN's that have variations of this
- Summer returns, battling to close the portal to the cthonic realm of chaos. Nika's trauma shows that he is attuned the the elder god's madness and is able to overcome them. Weak or strong?
- Summer returns having escaped from a serial killer who murdered her family. The serial killer is wealthy and hides as a benefactor of MOR university. Weak or strong?
- Summer returns and was put in witness protection, but breaks her cover to reunite. Weak or strong?
All of these (in my opinion) are trainwrecks to what worldbuilding has been established. Summer returning will have to be not only plausible, but visceral enough to feel relevant. She can't waltz in and be on the scene as though the last 5(?) years haven't happened. Some gala at the Holgersons and a chance meeting? Summer would know from Elsa that Nika's still in WOllust, so there will be no chance meeting.
Also, reappearing for Nika, but having left Nia in the dark also? Doubly important to be a very plausible reason, unlike the humorous/sarcastic ideas I randomly suggested. THe plot holes need to be as small as possible if Summer returns.
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After the ninth episode, the developer had time to compare popularity and now in the tenth episode you can see the amount of screen time of the favorites and Zoe.
And I didn’t say that everyone. I’ve never played this game, but I can imagine 2 differences. Correct me if I’m wrong.
1. This character appears very early in the game, when the public has not yet chosen their favorites.
2. There is no backstory with ntr on her part. Otherwise, as in the kings of college, the ex is unlikely to be popular. And yes, I checked the number of patreons, etc. I say again, not an arthouse, but a blockbuster.
I didn’t talk about my fear. I have nothing against exes at all. I said that the developer would be afraid to reduce the time of favorites in favor of less interesting characters because of the possibility of losing Patreons.
Such a character. A rare fucking bitch. But if we call her that, it doesn’t mean that she is hated.
It seems to me that you didn’t quite understand my point and what I’m trying to convey. I have nothing against a variety of characters, different tropes. I’m pretty neutral. I just saw the *exes* trope as a gray area that will rarely have a lot of screen time, since any developer will look around and take into account the opinion of the majority. And this trope has its own nuances, because of which it is rare for characters to become very popular, and therefore screen time time will be short.
Completly agree, all of this would obviously suck for one reason or another.This is where it's at for me. I haven't decided which LI I'll really care about, it's the concern that Summer's absence becomes a weak story device, while currently it is a strong one, driving all of Nika's dysfunction. By weaking the main plot device, the story needs something stronger to support the challenges that disruption of narrative flow brings. A couple of scenarios:
- Summer returns, and thanks the aliens that kidnapped her and her family for their hopsitality, the tabletop game was a foreshadowing of the change to the plot. Weak or strong? I can actually think of a couple of VN's that have variations of this
- Summer returns, battling to close the portal to the cthonic realm of chaos. Nika's trauma shows that he is attuned the the elder god's madness and is able to overcome them. Weak or strong?
- Summer returns having escaped from a serial killer who murdered her family. The serial killer is wealthy and hides as a benefactor of MOR university. Weak or strong?
- Summer returns and was put in witness protection, but breaks her cover to reunite. Weak or strong?
All of these (in my opinion) are trainwrecks to what worldbuilding has been established. Summer returning will have to be not only plausible, but visceral enough to feel relevant. She can't waltz in and be on the scene as though the last 5(?) years haven't happened. Some gala at the Holgersons and a chance meeting? Summer would know from Elsa that Nika's still in WOllust, so there will be no chance meeting.
Also, reappearing for Nika, but having left Nia in the dark also? Doubly important to be a very plausible reason, unlike the humorous/sarcastic ideas I randomly suggested. THe plot holes need to be as small as possible if Summer returns.
Summer has to be gone at the moment to a point where Elsa can’t reach her either (for example).
The only other possibility im able to come up with would be some kind of scenario where summer and Nika decided together that summer has to go and they can’t have any contact anymore (because it endangers the people around them or something?).
But that’s weak sauce too, esp considering their age when she „left“
I just think IF she would be dead, it would have been mentioned already, there would be no need for mystery.
And if she’s not dead, she will 99% come back.
The part giving me hope is that the AVN is called „Summers gone“ so whatever the reason is, i imagine ocean put the necessary work into the plotline.
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Again, I'd have to agree with the previous posts. About Summer's return.
Should Summer ever re-appear, it would effectively end the story right there and then.
So, in case Oceans would ever want to abruptly end and "abone" the game as the conspiracy trolls here have been trying to convince everyone the whole time, THIS would be the way to do it
Nika would be instantly cured and like
Summer ain't gone any more! End of story.
IMHO, Summer will most definitely keep appearing in Nika's flashbacks and maybe some stories that some NPC's may reveal, but otherwise... Only in case the story gets cut without an ending. And Oceans has been investing way too much into it at this point to do this, unless forced by some kind of force majeure.
Should Summer ever re-appear, it would effectively end the story right there and then.
So, in case Oceans would ever want to abruptly end and "abone" the game as the conspiracy trolls
here have been trying to convince everyone the whole time, THIS would be the way to do it Nika would be instantly cured and like
Summer ain't gone any more! End of story.
IMHO, Summer will most definitely keep appearing in Nika's flashbacks and maybe some stories that some NPC's may reveal, but otherwise... Only in case the story gets cut without an ending. And Oceans has been investing way too much into it at this point to do this, unless forced by some kind of force majeure.
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