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VN RPGM Onhold Saria Reclaimed [v0.17] [Velminth]

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TheMightyStone

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Is there a way to view the gallery? I tried to unlock it with cheats but nothing happened. Playing 0.15.1
Is there a file I can download with all the stuff?
 
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Ifllslonly

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Dee1414 said:
One option that might at least add transparency is if a dev has to select milestones and dates at the start of the project, and if that milestone is missed by a certain amount, than there is a unremovable notification that is posted in the patreon indicating it. So it doesn't monetarily hurt the dev, and if there is a good reason for it, than it can give a chance for them to explain it and then it will be up to the patreon to consider it's validity. For those devs that had a project going for a veeeeeery long time, those notifications will be littered within the path and patreons can see all the promises and expectations that were broken along the way which would influence their decision to subscribe so a dev can't just sweep it under the rug.
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It sounds great on paper, but it's hard to put into practice. As I said, it would be nice to have something like this here on F95, in some sort of dev notes that could be handled by the community for the community. For example, Bryn's dev notes look good; it could be even better with some patreon screenshots with dates, sticky messages, etc. And all of this regulated by community; a dev wiki page, so to speak.
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But, when a project is approaching 10 years and the dev is spending more time deleting past comments he made himself and banning users that point this out than seemingly working on the game, we have a big problem of ethics, and I feel there is starting to become a catalog of devs that fall into this category.
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I think part of the problem with ethics is the lack of community backlash. If people are okay with being bossed around by a dev, there is no reason for the dev to change. This is why I don't like discord echo chambers. At least vel got slapped for being an ass, but he literally asked for it. But it often doesn't happen, and people are fine with radio silence, lies, missed deadlines. That's why it's important to talk about it and call out the devs.
 
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Ifllslonly said:
It sounds great on paper, but it's hard to put into practice. As I said, it would be nice to have something like this here on F95, in some sort of dev notes that could be handled by the community for the community. For example, Bryn's dev notes look good; it could be even better with some patreon screenshots with dates, sticky messages, etc. And all of this regulated by community; a dev wiki page, so to speak.

I think part of the problem with ethics is the lack of community backlash. If people are okay with being bossed around by a dev, there is no reason for the dev to change. This is why I don't like discord echo chambers. At least vel got slapped for being an ass, but he literally asked for it. But it often doesn't happen, and people are fine with radio silence, lies, missed deadlines. That's why it's important to talk about it and call out the devs.
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Community backlash can be helpful, but like you said with the echo chamber in discord, the dev might always only get praise on their discord (especially because they ban who they please) while f95 might be the only place people can voice their opinions that isn't heavily moderated by the dev themselves, resulting in a sort of tribalism between the f95 folk (whom the dev considers trolls) against the discord server which the critics consider to be full of dev ass kissers.

In the last 5 months or so I've taken to being a lot more vocal and critical on f95 due to my frustrations with long term devs, but although it's cathartic in sense, it's largely pointless as the dev will just turn to his discord and spin any criticism as trolling, and then it's back to status quo of doing the same thing. I think a project like Saria is a bit different, for as far as I can tell, there hasn't ever been something resembling a complete game, making it very obvious to patreons what they're getting into, but some other project had a decent playable demo for years and years that can be difficult to time stamp due to the "versions" (aka minor updates that give the illusion of progress). I know people are already salty with Patreon's new non-con rules in terms of regulating creative expression (I am too), and more regulation can be destructive and not helpful, but as it stands there isn't any checks and balances besides the amount of subs a dev has, which can be artificially inflated through lies and smoke and mirrors of the state of a project. Good conversation in any case, though.
 
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BigBiggieBig

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Polyushko said:
at this point I might as well steal the guy's entire code and try to remake the game in a new artsyle lmao
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You'll end up with trash code and a new unknown artstyle. Better to just make your own code along with the art, the forbidden technique of making a new game.

If you meant you wanted to continue in the same setting using the same character then I don't know what the situation would be like, can't imagine you'd get in much trouble for making slight alterations to both and shipping it out as something new. Though I'm fairly certain his loyal fans would just swarm you for that transgression.
 
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BigBiggieBig said:
You'll end up with trash code and a new unknown artstyle. Better to just make your own code along with the art, the forbidden technique of making a new game.

If you meant you wanted to continue in the same setting using the same character then I don't know what the situation would be like, can't imagine you'd get in much trouble for making slight alterations to both and shipping it out as something new. Though I'm fairly certain his loyal fans would just swarm you for that transgression.
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Very likely lmao. I'm not a good artist, but yeah, that makes sense. I will see what horrid project I can get out of it just for the fun of it, just to train myself using Godot Engine. I will not even milk the patreons since at this point I just want chaos
 
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Polyushko said:
at this point I might as well steal the guy's entire code and try to remake the game in a new artsyle lmao
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LOL, you wanna too?

I have already begun remaking the game in Unity and hope to release some demos or an MVP this summer. If I remember correctly, Velmith mentioned in a Discord post that he allows the use of his Saria assets for our own needs. The voice actor has been mentioned in the credits. All that's left is to hire an artist who can continue Vel's style, and I think I have found one.

I have plans to add new story chapters, scenes, and a quest/dialogue & scene constructor. There will also be controller and Android support (and possibly Mac & iOS support later); translation support; and Lovesense toys support (with shared/created user profiles, since I am new to tweaking and creating profiles).

The quest/scenes constructor will allow users to add a new NPC with their own dialogues, choices, requirements, and scenes to enhance future game replayability through community content. You may create and save scenes using existing sprites, VAs, SFX, or import your own. Dialogues and scripts can be implemented via Ink file imports, where you can write phrases, logic, use sprites, audio files, and more. A wiki or guide will be included.

But first, I aim to complete a 0.15.2 game state in Unity, and later extend the game with such a constructor/builder and new levels/plots, monsters/enemies, NPCs, and a better corruption/fame system that will impact game flow. Overall, Vel’s game idea was awesome; it’s sad that he has abandoned the game.

Any way, if you want to create Godot remake, be ready to write a lot of code. Game contains a lot of stuff:
- 2D movement
- Dialog system
- Save system
- A lot of stats with buffs/debuffs and requirements
- Several tilemap levels
- Interactive objects and NPCs
- Layered images (you need to compose CG, by overlaying Base body, guys, face, coom and etc)
- Connect Scene with SFX / VA
- Inventory system
- Mouse only mode (with NavMesh or Pathfinding navigation on click)
- Card or RPG battles
- Fight with monitor resolutions
- Dig, Extract & process RPG maker assets from origin game (including VFX from RPG Maker & cutting sprite sheets into animations and extracting dialog texts and existing code for some features writen in JS or RPG Maker switches)
- Solve a lot of bugs during development
 
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HikkiG

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Jeidoz said:
LOL, you wanna too?

I have already begun remaking the game in Unity and hope to release some demos or an MVP this summer. If I remember correctly, Velmith mentioned in a Discord post that he allows the use of his Saria assets for our own needs. The voice actor has been mentioned in the credits. All that's left is to hire an artist who can continue Vel's style, and I think I have found one.

I have plans to add new story chapters, scenes, and a quest/dialogue & scene constructor. There will also be controller and Android support (and possibly Mac & iOS support later); translation support; and Lovesense toys support (with shared/created user profiles, since I am new to tweaking and creating profiles).

The quest/scenes constructor will allow users to add a new NPC with their own dialogues, choices, requirements, and scenes to enhance future game replayability through community content. You may create and save scenes using existing sprites, VAs, SFX, or import your own. Dialogues and scripts can be implemented via Ink file imports, where you can write phrases, logic, use sprites, audio files, and more. A wiki or guide will be included.

But first, I aim to complete a 0.15.2 game state in Unity, and later extend the game with such a constructor/builder and new levels/plots, monsters/enemies, NPCs, and a better corruption/fame system that will impact game flow. Overall, Vel’s game idea was awesome; it’s sad that he has abandoned the game.

Any way, if you want to create Godot remake, be ready to write a lot of code. Game contains a lot of stuff:
- 2D movement
- Dialog system
- Save system
- A lot of stats with buffs/debuffs and requirements
- Several tilemap levels
- Interactive objects and NPCs
- Layered images (you need to compose CG, by overlaying Base body, guys, face, coom and etc)
- Connect Scene with SFX / VA
- Inventory system
- Mouse only mode (with NavMesh or Pathfinding navigation on click)
- Card or RPG battles
- Fight with monitor resolutions
- Dig, Extract & process RPG maker assets from origin game (including VFX from RPG Maker & cutting sprite sheets into animations and extracting dialog texts and existing code for some features writen in JS or RPG Maker switches)
- Solve a lot of bugs during development
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Do you think we'd be allowed to donate on Subscribestar/Patreon/whatever once you have a playable enough build?
 
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Jeidoz

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HikkiG said:
Do you think we'd be allowed to donate on Subscribestar/Patreon/whatever once you have a playable enough build?
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I can create them, but I'm not sure yet what to post or share. Donations will help me cover expenses for 2D artists. After the first demo, At least, I wanted to share the YouTrack board with plans and task progress, and create a thread on F95Zone for the game and a development thread.
 
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