Why are so many games on here so rapey? [Poll]

Why do devs make rapey games? (explained below)

  • Shortcut to Sex

    Votes: 130 17.7%
  • Rape Fantasy

    Votes: 337 46.0%
  • They don't know how to interact with human females

    Votes: 266 36.3%

  • Total voters
    733

Thanos247

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I'm all for the rape games just like I'm for violence in movies. If it makes sense, then its done right. If its just there to be there, then its lazy writing. Take Game of Thrones for example; it features rape, torture, incest, murders, slavery, blackmail, baby/children murders and my favorite, profanity. Yet its one of the best written shows I've ever seen. Point is, as long as its done correctly, then I'm for it.

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megaplayboy10k

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I'm all for the rape games just like I'm for violence in movies. If it makes sense, then its done right. If its just there to be there, then its lazy writing. Take Game of Thrones for example; it features rape, torture, incest, murders, slavery, blackmail, baby/children murders and my favorite, profanity. Yet its one of the best written shows I've ever seen. Point is, as long as its done correctly, then I'm for it.

"There is no such thing as a moral or immoral book. Books are well written or badly written."
-Oscar Wilde
But most people don't watch GoT to fap to the rape scenes.
 

Thanos247

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But most people don't watch GoT to fap to the rape scenes.
But we cheer when we see people beating the shit out of eachother to death. Just like rape/fight to the death scenes, we know the difference between real life, and fake.
 

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But we cheer when we see people beating the shit out of eachother to death. Just like rape/fight to the death scenes, we know the difference between real life, and fake.
I don't think that we are arguing that sim-rape and rape are the same thing. More to the point that an MC committing rape is a thing that can take a player out of the mood to play, because rape(portrayed semi realistically) is not particularly sexy to the average player. Having a character experience rape, and the MC reacting to that? Different thing. There's a small number of games, like Postal or Manhunt, that permit the player to be murderous(as opposed to killing to survive or killing in a war setting). They are novelties but not exactly widely popular. There are sandbox games that provide the option, like GTA, but generally the violence is purposive. There's a reason for it.
To be fair, I'm not aware of too many games which involve the MC committing unambiguous forcible rape. Plenty have sleep groping, blackmail sex, and varying degrees of physical and psychological coercion or manipulation, though.
 

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I don't think that we are arguing that sim-rape and rape are the same thing. More to the point that an MC committing rape is a thing that can take a player out of the mood to play, because rape(portrayed semi realistically) is not particularly sexy to the average player. Having a character experience rape, and the MC reacting to that? Different thing. There's a small number of games, like Postal or Manhunt, that permit the player to be murderous(as opposed to killing to survive or killing in a war setting). They are novelties but not exactly widely popular. There are sandbox games that provide the option, like GTA, but generally the violence is purposive. There's a reason for it.
To be fair, I'm not aware of too many games which involve the MC committing unambiguous forcible rape. Plenty have sleep groping, blackmail sex, and varying degrees of physical and psychological coercion or manipulation, though.
Then you must be new to F95 and sex games in general. You don't speak for everyone, so don't say the average player doesn't find something sexy. Obviously if you fully understood why people like certain things, we wouldn't be having this discussion. If something doesn't turn you on but does for MANY people, so be it. I've made my points and if you are trying to understand why someone likes it, then you aren't reading this thread but instead, just arguing.
 

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Then you must be new to F95 and sex games in general. You don't speak for everyone, so don't say the average player doesn't find something sexy. Obviously if you fully understood why people like certain things, we wouldn't be having this discussion. If something doesn't turn you on but does for MANY people, so be it. I've made my points and if you are trying to understand why someone likes it, then you aren't reading this thread but instead, just arguing.
Oh no, I'm aware that there's a sub-genre of ahegao and whatnot. The "rape fantasy" is considerably softer than the actual IRL reality of violent sexual assault. I don't see a lot of games outside some eroge where playing a MC who routinely and casually commits violent sexual assaults is the big selling point.
 

GuyFreely

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Oh no, I'm aware that there's a sub-genre of ahegao and whatnot. The "rape fantasy" is considerably softer than the actual IRL reality of violent sexual assault. I don't see a lot of games outside some eroge where playing a MC who routinely and casually commits violent sexual assaults is the big selling point.
Even if there was a game like that, Rapefest the game. You would be like "Oh, I bet this is about raping." Even with a name less on the nose, it would probably be obvious (hopefully) from the description. When you play Love Dovey Romance the game it can seem to come out of nowhere. I don't really care if games do or don't have rape or even if they handle it particularly well (realistic/fantasy/etc.). If it's going to show up, I just want some context and purpose to it. It's not something you just sprinkle in, like a buying new clothes scene.
 

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Even if there was a game like that, Rapefest the game. You would be like "Oh, I bet this is about raping." Even with a name less on the nose, it would probably be obvious (hopefully) from the description. When you play Love Dovey Romance the game it can seem to come out of nowhere. I don't really care if games do or don't have rape or even if they handle it particularly well (realistic/fantasy/etc.). If it's going to show up, I just want some context and purpose to it. It's not something you just sprinkle in, like a buying new clothes scene.
This. It'd be like a James Bond film where he seduces two or three femme fatales, then flat out violently rapes Moneypenny after hours, with no witnesses. Would kinda throw you off your mood a bit. 007 would not seem all that heroic afterwards.
 
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That's awfully vague. In what game do female characters have no motivation?
I agree that it was vague, but it was also my inspiration for making games in the first place.
The games that have rape out of fucking nowhere are usually the same games that don't bother giving their main character anything more than a cookie cutter personality.

Man of the House
Big Brother - With the exception of Alice who gets a little more agency, and Kira who acts as a mentor
Absolute Power
Dreams of Desire - with the exception of Tracy
Dating my Daughter
My Cute Cousin(Roommate)
The Artifact
Incest Adventure
Teacher's Pets
School, Love, & Cousins(Friends)
My Summer with Mom & Sis

I'll stop there because I won't go through the entire site looking for games. But I've played these games, the girls in them have no real motivation beyond their cookie cutter archetype. They aren't fleshed out or explored, and if they are its done inconsistently, like with D in DmD or Veronica in MotH, who both have switches flipped to change when the writer feels like it.

Each of these games also, not surprisingly, barely provides any excuse for their sexual content or their characters actions to get that sexual gratification, making it feel like rape.
 

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First, I'm mostly concerned with male protagonist rape scenarios. I think female protagonist rape is more often tied to theme, if that makes any sense. I'm not saying it's better, but it's a bit different.

Second, let's be clear what rape is (just in case). This includes any non-consensual sexual activity including, but not limited to:
"Classic": She says 'no' and you say 'yes.' Can include the victim being restrained against her will.
Unconscious: She can't say no, but she also can't say yes. This includes night time visits and drugging the victim.
Mind Control: She said yes, but only because some outside force is influencing her. Mind control, aphrodisiacs, pheromones, etc. This is often typified by the female being either unaware of what happened or even angry or regretful about what happened.
Coercion: Have sex or else. She said yes, because she was threatened.
Probably a few other scenarios, but this covers a lot of them.

Shortcut to Sex: Basically the dev wants to deliver a sex scene and they want to do it as quickly as possible. So rather than spending time explaining why the woman is consenting to sex, they just use a rapey scenario. You might consider this lazy and it might just be a dev "giving players what they want."

Rape Fantasy: The idea here is that the player is supposed to enjoy the fantasy of taking advantage of a woman. The rape is on purpose because it's "hotter" than consensual sex. This one is more believable if that's the theme of the game like being a slave trainer or some shit.

Doesn't know how to interact with human females: Pretty self explanatory. I feel like it's possible some devs honestly don't know how to write normal interactions with women. Could chalk this up to lack of experience or overexposure to pornography. They don't see why slipping drugs to the girl you like to have sex with her is a bad thing. I like it when an MC gets mad at a guy who is trying to fuck one of their potential conquests. "What an asshole, all he wants to do is fuck her." Right....

(I didn't start this thread to name and shame specific games, just to discuss the topic in general.)

[Late Edit: I'm referring to games where the non-consensual sex doesn't really fit the theme of the game.]
I believe that you are assuming that devs dont already KNOW that in real life, such actions would be wrong; and are operating this poll under the belief that devs find this activity acceptable in real life.

the three answers you give to your poll are psychologically directed, whether intentionally or subconsciously, to present evidence to your preconceived idea of what you believe the answer to already be, and a preconceived agenda, and therefore flawed; unacceptable science. not discussing objective academia. having been raped as a child, by both an older step sister and a step father; and having been falsely accused of such by a psycho ex (NOT Convicted or even charged, and she even admitted to false accusation); I've read extensively into the psychology of the subject, to try and understand why. so, to state in an academic manner, my overall understanding of the topic; ultimately, it all comes down to power and dominance, against and over another persons will or humanity. that's what rape is.

at it's most base form, a desire to enforce dominance over another person's being. To not be able to be denied. every human being suffers from such compulsions, to varying degrees. but, those who can entertain such fantasies as fantasies, are much less dangerous to society than those who don't understand such, yet have power every day and wield it unjustly... or worse, those that don't understand what power is. these 2 are more likely to commit real rape than those who have entertained the idea or fantasy. saying that someone who does entertain such a fantasy, is a potential rapist; is like saying that someone who plays CoD or counter-strike, and gets excited over a kill, is a potential murderer; or that someone who practices marksmanship at a range, is planning to kill someone.

perhaps there are those who feel they have no power, and so wish to entertain the fantasy of having it. perhaps there are those who have been raped, and carry desires to turn the tables. perhaps there are those who enjoy the thrill of being dominated (domination and power play can be a fun kink to explore with a comfortable partner, and safe words.) perhaps to some with hatred in their hearts, yes, they want to see another helpless person suffer at their hands. among many more possible, contextual, and varied motives.

criminals cops, and district attorneys, who attempt to frame or coerce their suspects by finding loopholes in constitutional rights, or violating humanity, or creating instances of entrapment to create the image or false positive of guilt; are more likely to be rapists than a person playing these games. hell, in doing so they would actually be committing a form of socio-legal rape; by violating the human and constitutional rights of a potentially innocent suspect. different methods, different effect, same psychological frame of thought. (i speak of American constitution here, yet i believe all human beings are afforded human rights and sovereignty over their own being.)

either way, it always comes down to being able to exert your power, uninhibited, and take what you want; on the most base instinctual levels. Reveling in the power you wield and the fact that you cant be stopped. the whole "not knowing how to relate to girls" narrative is bullshit, and isn't a part of rape. that may cause accidents of miscommunication and unwelcome advances for 40 year old virgins or high school to college aged inexperienced people; but would NOT account for someone going beyond another person saying "no. i don't want this", or "stop", or drugging someone to take them without consent. and yes, a horny girl can be just as guilty of such an unwelcome advance, as a boy can. also, "shortcut to sex" is more of a subcategory that fall under what I've stated in the above paragraph. EDIT: once again, using power to take what is desired. power over another is the central motivation, not necessarily attaining sex. generally, those who want quick sex are, like myself, more affluent, affable, gentler with females, jokes, smiles, and seductive allusions and invitations. why? because its a much faster road to attaining what you want, while exerting much less effort or risk to attain the desired sexual encounter.

that said, for anyone that does play a rapey game, or watch hard core rapey pornography... if you get off to it and think to yourself "i want to do this", and actually find yourself considering options or methods of doing so. seek psychological help immediately, before you fuck someone elses life up along with your own. These are FANTASY GAMES. Role playing. FICTION. if you cant handle that, then this place is not for you.

side note, with all of they rapey content in porn these days, especially involving hypnosis or aphrodisiac drugging; is it rapey for women and men to wear perfumes or colognes, containing pheromones that have been proven to affect the hormonal levels in those around them, against their will?

EDIT: i will say in hindsight however, that either the devs of many of these games have no idea how to actually woo or treat a woman, or they just enjoy making their characters to be assholes. because, yeah, there are a lot of asshole MC's.
 

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I am not a big fan of rape games either, but I don't think it's wrong to have them, because nothing you see in game is real. rape is like violence like murder, theft, arson , torture. steam has this game - hatred in which you can mindlessly kill people, but it's not banned, but games like rapelay receives worldwide criticism.
 

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I'm all for the rape games just like I'm for violence in movies. If it makes sense, then its done right. If its just there to be there, then its lazy writing. Take Game of Thrones for example; it features rape, torture, incest, murders, slavery, blackmail, baby/children murders and my favorite, profanity. Yet its one of the best written shows I've ever seen. Point is, as long as its done correctly, then I'm for it.

"There is no such thing as a moral or immoral book. Books are well written or badly written."
-Oscar Wilde
this is why I don't watch game of throne. saw one episode in which a guy's throat was slit, didn't watch the game of throne ever since then. :oops:
 

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First, I'm mostly concerned with male protagonist rape scenarios. I think female protagonist rape is more often tied to theme, if that makes any sense. I'm not saying it's better, but it's a bit different.

Second, let's be clear what rape is (just in case). This includes any non-consensual sexual activity including, but not limited to:
"Classic": She says 'no' and you say 'yes.' Can include the victim being restrained against her will.
Unconscious: She can't say no, but she also can't say yes. This includes night time visits and drugging the victim.
Mind Control: She said yes, but only because some outside force is influencing her. Mind control, aphrodisiacs, pheromones, etc. This is often typified by the female being either unaware of what happened or even angry or regretful about what happened.
Coercion: Have sex or else. She said yes, because she was threatened.
Probably a few other scenarios, but this covers a lot of them.

Shortcut to Sex: Basically the dev wants to deliver a sex scene and they want to do it as quickly as possible. So rather than spending time explaining why the woman is consenting to sex, they just use a rapey scenario. You might consider this lazy and it might just be a dev "giving players what they want."

Rape Fantasy: The idea here is that the player is supposed to enjoy the fantasy of taking advantage of a woman. The rape is on purpose because it's "hotter" than consensual sex. This one is more believable if that's the theme of the game like being a slave trainer or some shit.

Doesn't know how to interact with human females: Pretty self explanatory. I feel like it's possible some devs honestly don't know how to write normal interactions with women. Could chalk this up to lack of experience or overexposure to pornography. They don't see why slipping drugs to the girl you like to have sex with her is a bad thing. I like it when an MC gets mad at a guy who is trying to fuck one of their potential conquests. "What an asshole, all he wants to do is fuck her." Right....

(I didn't start this thread to name and shame specific games, just to discuss the topic in general.)

[Late Edit: I'm referring to games where the non-consensual sex doesn't really fit the theme of the game.]
Justto be clear about a couple things.. Games/videos/mangas etc are entertaining content. With that said:

1) All 2d or 3d contents , vanilla , rape , incest , harem (is practically cheating), futa and every other genre existing out there is considered either criminal in real life or sick by nature.. Just be honest .. The once upon a time invented for kids toons became porn oriented.. right?

2) Everyone judges every work according to his morals/fantasies etc etc but always tags him self with a group people with ideal rules as social standard (it means that certain acceptable things by many acceptable friends becomes you "ok" idea and so it becomes a trend ).

3) The main idea of those creations of fantasy is to unleash the fantasies in an acceptable manner without causing harm (imagine all those to be allowed in real life porn..Total jungle)..

After pointing out those things, i am ok with my self recognizing what they mean and i also know that, whatever i watch, or play on this field, it satisfies my (kinky/dirty/dark or whatever anyone is calling them) needs.

Ps: Everyone should feel it theme selves by now that whatever you do on games/animes/mangas, Does not effect how you view people in real life because all concepts are simply fiction even in your thoughts and by no mean an otherwise healthy person would step any boundaries of this kind (like incest for example. Mother is a no go even for a rub off :p ).

Ps2: Everyone should express theme selves and enjoy their games free i guaranty it :p

EDIT: Ps3: I forgot about the rape thing.. It's the thrill.. More dramatic things will hit more emotions in everything in life so if you can manipulate those emotions in such light way as a cartoon then you can get more out of it..it's like searching fail videos with people getting hurt in funny ways on youtube...
 

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Do whatever the fuck you want with no negative consequences? Gee, I wonder why people would be attracted to that?
Sarcasm aside, taboo has always had an appeal, if it didn't we'd all be amish. I just hope the people indulging themselves can separate fantasy and reality.
 

GuyFreely

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Ah, a bump to an old thread. I think I covered this, but I'm not worried about rape in games on the whole. I'm more worried about rape where it goes against theme. Where the dialogue or other story elements would lead you to believe that the MC cares about another character, but then he rapes them. If the MC is set up as the type of person that would rape someone, it follows theme and doesn't really bother me. Like Hack n Stalk, the MC is set up as a bit of a sleazeball in that he is a blackmailer from the get go. So having rapey options in that game fits the character.
 

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I always look at games of this kind as having twisted version of our reality so i don't apply standart morality/logic to it. To some extent. Makes it much easier to just roll with it. Rape for douche_kid_model_2 is not as serious of a thing as for me. Not because he's one twisted fuck (in our reality he would be) but because in that reality everyone secretly want to bang and that's just a way of revealing these desires. Incest and rape (and god knows what else) is taboo and considered horrible officially in these worlds but humanity by nature is messed up to the point of not really caring deep inside.

As to why i would agree with people saying it's just shitty writting. Also devs having their own fixes and because of that not being able to portray healthy relationship in a way interesting for a player. Example of that is huge amount of main heroes who are sarcastic jesters with their own successfull business. Is it original? No. Does it work more often than not? No. But that's the vision of cool dude for many devs so here we are. Other less broad example is asian girl (Sorry, don't remember her name) from "High rise climb". Dev really likes IT/Business talk and it's the most obvious when hero is talking with that chick. It's like dev specifically made dream girl who's able to participate in conversation of this kind. To the point of it feeling like i'm looking at dev's jerking to all that shit and i'm kinda there because... I like boobs? Cliche's build on someone's fixes + fixes of next author + lack of natural skill / any knowledge of how to write well = bad writting perspectives.
 

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First, I'm mostly concerned with male protagonist rape scenarios. I think female protagonist rape is more often tied to theme, if that makes any sense. I'm not saying it's better, but it's a bit different.

Second, let's be clear what rape is (just in case). This includes any non-consensual sexual activity including, but not limited to:
"Classic": She says 'no' and you say 'yes.' Can include the victim being restrained against her will.
Unconscious: She can't say no, but she also can't say yes. This includes night time visits and drugging the victim.
Mind Control: She said yes, but only because some outside force is influencing her. Mind control, aphrodisiacs, pheromones, etc. This is often typified by the female being either unaware of what happened or even angry or regretful about what happened.
Coercion: Have sex or else. She said yes, because she was threatened.
Probably a few other scenarios, but this covers a lot of them.

Shortcut to Sex: Basically the dev wants to deliver a sex scene and they want to do it as quickly as possible. So rather than spending time explaining why the woman is consenting to sex, they just use a rapey scenario. You might consider this lazy and it might just be a dev "giving players what they want."

Rape Fantasy: The idea here is that the player is supposed to enjoy the fantasy of taking advantage of a woman. The rape is on purpose because it's "hotter" than consensual sex. This one is more believable if that's the theme of the game like being a slave trainer or some shit.

Doesn't know how to interact with human females: Pretty self explanatory. I feel like it's possible some devs honestly don't know how to write normal interactions with women. Could chalk this up to lack of experience or overexposure to pornography. They don't see why slipping drugs to the girl you like to have sex with her is a bad thing. I like it when an MC gets mad at a guy who is trying to fuck one of their potential conquests. "What an asshole, all he wants to do is fuck her." Right....

(I didn't start this thread to name and shame specific games, just to discuss the topic in general.)

[Late Edit: I'm referring to games where the non-consensual sex doesn't really fit the theme of the game.]

Well, my wife used to like to role play it, she also like bondage. For her it was about letting go not being in control.
Rape scenarios are different for different people. Rape fantasy is usually about power or dominance over another just the opposite of my wife. Let me tell you wasn't that way out side of the bedroom or for normal day life.

Just to be clear Anal sex between a man and woman is often not just about pleasure but also about control or power.

All of this though is entirely individual based. You can assume one person is doing it for the same reason as the next.

As for fear. Most the guys on here are open enough to talk about their fetishes. They are probably more likely to spot an issue were a woman is in trouble and step in and try and prevent something than many others. They are aware of who they are and that its a fetish. The ones you need to worry about aren't likely to be on here. They wouldn't want to talk openly like this fearing someone will back track to them because they actually have something to hide.

Also these games aren't any worse than 100 million raunchy ass female romance novels that exist. some of them are way way worse. 50 shades doesn't even come close to how bad some are.

I do agree with you a lot of what I see written shows a complete lack of understanding on developers/authors parts both in actually interaction and the very topics they are trying to talk about. Which was why started a thread on observations in the general catagory
 

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I do agree with you a lot of what I see written shows a complete lack of understanding on developers/authors parts both in actually interaction and the very topics they are trying to talk about. Which was why started a thread on observations in the general catagory
Actually I think it is only half of the truth. Look how many girls in games simply fall for the mc because...
Many games and storys are simply there for quick pleasure, to get away from reality, to have something that usually doesn't happen in rl, or they wouldn't do in rl, the same reason why some people are into rape play. I do enjoy a well developed story, but there are also times where I simply want to get some action and don't want to go trough a dramatic buildup first. Also these games are easier and faster to develope, because you don't need to worry much about how a character actually would react in rl which is another reason why there are so many of them.

edit: with "easier and faster" I mean story wise. Developement would still not really be easy^^
 

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Actually I think it is only half of the truth. Look how many girls in games simply fall for the mc because...
Many games and storys are simply there for quick pleasure, to get away from reality, to have something that usually doesn't happen in rl, or they wouldn't do in rl, the same reason why some people are into rape play. I do enjoy a well developed story, but there are also times where I simply want to get some action and don't want to go trough a dramatic buildup first. Also these games are easier and faster to develope, because you don't need to worry much about how a character actually would react in rl which is another reason why there are so many of them.

edit: with "easier and faster" I mean story wise. Developement would still not really be easy^^
I'm pretty sure you are right a lot of it is fan fair (appeasing fans). Seen enough people talk about just following the walk through.

I tend to look at the games for some sort of story line myself. If I want to see action I can look at porn. That said I generally prefer the company of women over both.

I'm probably a bit weird in if it falls to far outside of reality or the way people act or their isn't a believable reason for the person's change I disconnect and it just puts me off. Things like characters making huge changes in behavior for no reason doesn't work for me. Characters giving into minor threats as if they are life threatening threats when it would be really easy for them to turn the tables and use that against the person again doesn't work. Just makes no sense. It doesn't take a huge amount of explanation to fix these things. Sometimes a bit of change to a sentence or an added sentence at most can fix a lot of it. To me that's just laziness.

But then there are things like the interaction between a male a female character that are just so far off it feels like the author is a 10 year old virgin and never went on a date in his life and the closest interaction he had with a real woman was maybe his family and looking at his dads porn.