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I'm making a personal effort to not add theories that have too much reliance on things outside the stated plot ...but not having much luck. I've said it before, but Ocean is great at making mysteries, and making us care about discovering them.

I really like the direction of your thoughts. My reason for thinking her=Leia was more because I inherently believe that Willi was blackmailed over something more damaging than a non sexual relationship with Leia. The 'her' mentioned is someone Katie wouldn't be stupid enough to tell, so that does narrow it down. The grandmother having inheritance money - is that mentioned in the script? The way I read the novel the grandmother sounded like a strict lace doiley and teapot kind of grandmother - the kind that thinks a church summer camp is fun and wholesome rather than the start of a horror story. BUt thats not the script either, all we know is that the grandmother is there, and Helen used to burn the flyers for the camps, we've only got one mention of her, and it's not in a fearful way, it sounds more like the grandmother is a busybody and Helen was having none of it:


l "It's about an organization we've encountered in our youth."
l "Remember the flyers about these religious summer camps?"
l "Where our fucking grandma wanted to send us?"
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d "Oh yeah, I remember them."
d "Helen always burned them."


I do agree that it's more likely to be something more than Leia that caused William to leave, as he didn't flinch when Dana mentioned the rumours about him and Leia after he left.

I don't think the old version had anything specific to cause him to leave, but in the old version it was most likely being found out about Leia, whereas now I'm unsure. I think the idea of WIlli having set up up the conditions for someone as mysterious as Asavera is intriguing, but again it's not part of the script, so it's hard for me to agree without considering it a wild goose chase. But I do like the idea that Willi's action all those years ago set all these current dramas in motion, that the revenge or targeting of the Zane's is due to his lack of restaint or wisdom as a kid, and he crossed some serious boundaries. I don't think there was anything Machiavellian in his intents, but something that snowballed into the current situation (potentially).

And yeah, most of this could go 37 different ways, because all this is speculation extending the script to it's limits over pretty thin ice.
I certainty can relate to the felling, one of the reasons that I seek out this forum was to test my ideas, but it is hard given that Ocean drops crumbs of information. But then again maybe this is the reason it is so engaging.

About the money I truly don't know, not long ago I asked about where Zane's money came from and someone answered
heritage, as I did not had a better answer I accepted it. Now we had two completely different takes on the grandmother, the moment I read this dialogue I saw a oppressing figure too both her children and grandchildren that Helen tried to protected, plus I don't think that has a "good Zane" so maybe I'm biased


William has a better poker face than me, my would have left my skull if I was him.

Yeah, I agree that the motivations of his leaving has changed or at least is not as clear as it was, the Asavera ideia is one that I also like but is kinda a goose chanse even if a fun one.
 
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BobTheDuck

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I certainty can relate to the felling, one of the reasons that I seek out this forum was to test my ideas, but it is hard given that Ocean drops crumbs of information. But then again maybe this is the reason it is so engaging.

About the money I truly don't know, not long ago I asked about where Zane's money came from and someone answered
heritage, as I did not had a better answer I accepted it. Now we had two completely different takes on the grandmother, the moment I read this dialogue I saw a oppressing figure too both her children and grandchildren that Helen tried to protected, plus I don't think that has a "good Zane" so maybe I'm biased


William has a better poker face than me, my would have left my skull if I was him.

Yeah, I agree that the motivations of his leaving has changed or at least is not as clear as it was, the Asavera ideia is one that I also like but is kinda a goose chanse even if a fun one.
I'm all for playing devil's advocate and wild goose chases, because sometimes they uncover unrelated info I'd skipped,and it also forces me to recheck the story's actual content rather than what I assumed. I think it's healthy to read and allow our imaginations to fill the gaps, but for further enjoyment we have to wonder about the motivations, after all we only ever hear Willi's internal dialogue, so everything is inherently biased. The fact there are crumbs means there's a trail or two to follow even if it's misdirection. I consider this the fun part of any story, to try and find out the size of the playing filed/world and the rules it operates by. The more consistent the rules and world building, the more satisfying it is to find our intuition has a payoff down the line. There's really no right or wrong here, just speculation.

The reason I like Doomyk 's idea about Asavera is that it does make the plot travel a full circle; Willi has to return to fix the sins of his past, and as he digs, we uncover more and more what an immature asshole he was, but he has the chance to make things right. It's a very classic plot line in that sense, but it's very rewarding with an imaginative plot. We've already seen that with Monica - what if what he did to past Asavera leads them to become Asavera? It's certainly an interesting concept, and would be fuelled by Willi sending his 'message' to Krayt.

Ultimately though, we don't know who the final boss is: we're yet to see who is on the cult side that Leia and Abigail mention, so Asavera might be a completely incidental character with nothing to do with Willi's past, because the cult leader is the antagonist. But even that is speculation - it's just where Leia and Abigail point the blame, Willi knows nothing other than what they've said.

The only certain outcomes so far is WIlli, Katie, Leia, Donna and Elena survive, and somehow (my money's on Miru) Ayua is conceived. Other than that it's wide open, with plenty of insinuations.
 

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The only certain outcomes so far is WIlli, Katie, Leia, Donna and Elena survive, and somehow (my money's on Miru) Ayua is conceived. Other than that it's wide open, with plenty of insinuations.
Since Ayua is Eurasian, it is quite certain she is Miru and Willi´s (maybe Dylan´s, but less likely) kid. In SG it is mentioned that her parents have a fitness/martial arts studio, something that was a thought experiment in Wiab already with Willi and Miru. Going by Ayua´s appearance/style in SG, it is also rather certain that "Auntie Leia" is/was a major influence on her.
 
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Since Ayua is Eurasian, it is quite certain she is Miru and Willi´s (maybe Dylan´s, but less likely) kid. In SG it is mentioned that her parents have a fitness/martial arts studio, something that was a thought experiment in Wiab already with Willi and Miru. Going by Ayua´s appearance/style in SG, it is also rather certain that "Auntie Leia" is/was a major influence on her.
Yeah, I'm going with the simplest most obvious answer myself; Willi's repeated creampies have a certain blossoming effect on Miru's waistline at some point. Seeing she's the only person so far that is getting the love juice, it's really hard to assume anyone else right now. Of course, Leia could have an Asian lover at some point... I guess?

I'm still sticking with Willi and Miru though, it makes the most sense, I agree.
 

N1ghtcrawler

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Hello there.

Do the parents know about Leia and William's relationship? Did William run away because of it? How did Katie blackmail William? Is Asavera connected to William's past? Some kind of cult being the real villain (wait. huh? :WaitWhat: )

Damn it guys, I just wanted to read your ridiculous theories and now I realize I understand nothing. Despite WiAB being the last game of the two I played, I guess I'll have to play it again before the SG update comes out.
 
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Maviarab

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Hello there.

Do the parents know about Leia and William's relationship? Did William run away because of it? How did Katie blackmail William? Is Asavera connected to William's past? Some kind of cult being the real villain (wait. huh? :WaitWhat: )

Damn it guys, I just wanted to read your ridiculous theories and now I realize I understand nothing. Despite WiAB being the last game of the two I played, I guess I'll have to play it again before the SG update comes out.
We know....nothing NC.

*shrugs*
 
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wizardcock

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Hello there.

Do the parents know about Leia and William's relationship? Did William run away because of it? How did Katie blackmail William? Is Asavera connected to William's past? Some kind of cult being the real villain (wait. huh? :WaitWhat: )

Damn it guys, I just wanted to read your ridiculous theories and now I realize I understand nothing. Despite WiAB being the last game of the two I played, I guess I'll have to play it again before the SG update comes out.
we'll probably never really understand it, because Ocean will cover up incest and family talk any way he can. After all, he wants to release on steam instead of just releasing wiab on subscribstar and not freak out about the incest ban.
 

Don Sucio

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Damn it guys, I just wanted to read your ridiculous theories and now I realize I understand nothing. Despite WiAB being the last game of the two I played, I guess I'll have to play it again before the SG update comes out.
No jokes here, is always the same with this game for me, for some reason i always forget what happened in the last chapter and i have to play to the beginning again :LOL:

Incest is fine on Steam.
So, steam problem is with boobies and that stuff and not with incest?
Impossible to understand that damn company :LOL::mad:
 

Maviarab

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So, steam problem is with boobies and that stuff and not with incest?
Impossible to understand that damn company :LOL::mad:
Not at all. Steam has 2 major issues. School kids (why do you think Intertwined isn't on Steam hmmm) and 'adult content'. Why the changes to SG to that it is not rated 18+. This will always get an adult rating on Steam, never been in question and nothing should be cut from it.

Tits and ass are fine, cocks...entirely another matter. The whole point with Sg was to get a non-adult rating...massive exposure compared to compared to an adult VN. That exposure should then (hopefully for Ocean) drive sales to SG Season 2 and this, both of which will be marked as 18+ explicit adult content.

Again, that is previous and now. Whether it stays like that long-term or not remains to be seen.
 

rudy007

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No jokes here, is always the same with this game for me, for some reason i always forget what happened in the last chapter and i have to play to the beginning again :LOL:


So, steam problem is with boobies and that stuff and not with incest?
Impossible to understand that damn company :LOL::mad:
I just hate the direction this world goes; you can make a FPS with thousand dead people (that you massacred with every kind of real or imaginative weapons) blood up to your knees, but boobs, dick is a big NO-NO?!?!?
 

Don Sucio

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Not at all. Steam has 2 major issues. School kids (why do you think Intertwined isn't on Steam hmmm) and 'adult content'. Why the changes to SG to that it is not rated 18+. This will always get an adult rating on Steam, never been in question and nothing should be cut from it.

Tits and ass are fine, cocks...entirely another matter. The whole point with Sg was to get a non-adult rating...massive exposure compared to compared to an adult VN. That exposure should then (hopefully for Ocean) drive sales to SG Season 2 and this, both of which will be marked as 18+ explicit adult content.

Again, that is previous and now. Whether it stays like that long-term or not remains to be seen.
Yes! I´m aware of Ocean business strategy, i was just throwing shit to Steam because they are taking so long :LOL:

I just hate the direction this world goes; you can make a FPS with thousand dead people (that you massacred with every kind of real or imaginative weapons) blood up to your knees, but boobs, dick is a big NO-NO?!?!?
Right!?!?! Fucking morons...

We should march to their central offices.
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BobTheDuck

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Hello there.

Do the parents know about Leia and William's relationship? Did William run away because of it? How did Katie blackmail William? Is Asavera connected to William's past? Some kind of cult being the real villain (wait. huh? :WaitWhat: )

Damn it guys, I just wanted to read your ridiculous theories and now I realize I understand nothing. Despite WiAB being the last game of the two I played, I guess I'll have to play it again before the SG update comes out.
SG theories have nothing on Wiab Jon Snow :coffee::cool:

I recommend coffee, and all of it!

Also, because there is a retired canon from the pre-reworked version, but this new version hasn't caught up ...you'd better make that pot of coffee twice as big.
 

N1ghtcrawler

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Maybe I should play the game before the rework instead? :unsure:

Argh, my eyes!
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On the other hand, Dana looks very tasty. :p
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I also plan to play the original SG after the final update, but I haven't found it. Does anyone have it?
Though I should probably ask this in the SG thread.
 
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Maybe I should play the game before the rework instead? :unsure:

Argh, my eyes!
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I also plan to play the original SG after the final update, but I haven't found it. Does anyone have it?
Though I should probably ask this in the SG thread.
Early WiaB is only really useful for an idea of where Ocean was going for the NTR, and the plot. THere's some really odd choices though, so don't take it too seriously - the rework has made it far more consistent. But you'll know a bit of the themes Ocean was heading towards.

I'll try to find the post where I collated the main versions.:)

Edit: Most of the pre rework SG versions N1ghtcrawler here you go.
 
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Maybe I should play the game before the rework instead? :unsure:

Argh, my eyes!
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I also plan to play the original SG after the final update, but I haven't found it. Does anyone have it?
Though I should probably ask this in the SG thread.
Miru It was so strange in the old version, that I had no Pity in throwing it inside the prison to be served to the prisoners.
 
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