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Fattishman

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Just checked their twitter/X account and they had 5 options for update 0.8 apparently, I mean sure they can just make a big update with more than one character or 2 for each one or something and still finish it in 4 updates I just don't believe that will be the case. View attachment 3605571
Yes, as said I don't know the plans, but probably main plot is set and we can expect at least 4 major updates. For sue they can focus on more than one character (and personally I think would be the best, or at least they can have one main focus, but some contents also for other characters, even some more replay situations, would be good) but considerin how long have been last 2 updates I have some concerns in having multiple characters per update...
 
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moskyx

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I don't want to go into personal isues. Everyone has its ons and will never consider a game a priority versus hillness, maternity or whatever, but:

0.1 release May 2020
0.2 releae July 2020
0.3 releae September 2020
0.4 release February 2021
0.5 release September 2021
0.6 release July 2022

there were 5 releases of the game in 1 year and 4 months, while 0.7 release is ongoing since almost 2 years
Understood from 0.6 release the choice was for big updates, but for sure now they have founds to speed-up at least the coding and polishing part of th game, and also maybe to seek assistance for some parts of the artworks

Their game, their choice...I was just thinking-out loud that it's a pity that this game may face lost of interest and endanger support for the next one
I'll just link this comment since everything is explained there. Patrons voted for longer updates starting with 0.4, and the size of each one of those 3 updates has been basically the same as the first 3 combined, with more complex art and coding interactions explaining the progressively longer dev cycles. This time, the raw word count before the polishing phase is said to be about 1/3 of the overall content so far (it will be trimmed down, as explained in the las dev comment). Add a newborn and a bad surgery to the mix, which would grant them about 6 months of paid leave if they were working under contract for a third party, and we are just slightly off their usual schedule, considering the alleged work (and still on it if we are indulgent with the issues that tend to arise when taking care of a newborn 24/7 and the changes this meant in their usual workflow, as they used to work simultaneously and they are now working on turns, which slow things down a little bit as they can't communicate and fix on the spot the issues they detect with each other's work).

About the potential loss of interest, that's relatively true. But you should take into account that a new update will bring new players (and patrons) in, and if devs prove to be trustworthy by releasing a 'quicker' 0.8 update, most of this criticism will be forgotten or at least put away for another year or more. Right now, that may be seen as a big if, for sure, but it's a totally possible outcome, and that potential loss of interest won't be an actual problem at all.


Up to now therey release 01., 0.2, and so on (with eventually some fix like 0.x1, 0.x2, etc), that's why I'm assuming we are having 0.7, 0.8, 0.9 and 1.0, so at least other 4 main updates, probably one main character per chapter
As Kisama has tried to explain, those figures are not natural fraction numbers but just common IT notation. In v0.6.02, the digit before the first period (0) means this is an uncompleted version of the planned full game (which will be v1.0), while the second number (6) indicates the accumulative big update order -meaning there have been 5 big updates before this one; and the third number after the second period (02) means this is the second bugfix for that 6th version. So after the v0.9 they'll release the tenth big update, which will be named v0.10, then they'll release v0.11, and so on, until they release the last update which will be v1.0 anyway, no matter what name had the previous one. So fear not, there are still more than 4 updates to get there.
 

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I used to write comments exactly like that as well, to people who write comments exactly like mine now. I'm pretty sure I even got responses like this one myself from people who had switched earlier. we all start from trusting the plausible excuses, but there's a limit where you just cave because the games NEVER bounce back.

when the original pace of updates starts to lag by several months, it's all gone already.
Because the whole point is to never bounce back.
Why return to regular updates when people still throw you money for nothing?
This game will never have regular updates unless something major worldwide happens again like the corona pandemic.
 

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Just checked their twitter/X account and they had 5 options for update 0.8 apparently, I mean sure they can just make a big update with more than one character or 2 for each one or something and still finish it in 4 updates I just don't believe that will be the case. View attachment 3605571
The least interesting update option is also the main story, that's annoying.
 

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v0.7 doesn't mean the game will end after 3 more updates. It will end at v1.0, sure, but after v0.9 it comes v0.10, then v0.11, and so on until they decide it's time to wrap it up and release that v1.0. The reasons for this delayed update have been explained at nauseam: biggest update so far, plus a newborn child, plus a nasty surgery.
Well, in what disturbed math 0.10 comes after 0.9 ? I never understood these devs that do it like that. 0.1 is the same thing in math as 0.10. In human readable terms, maybe. But the correct way if you want to go from 0 to 1 is 0.01, 0.02... 0.09, 0.1, etc. And there are enough devs here that do that. I guess it's a good indicator on how the dev thinks, as we can see here in this case, by the his extensive knowledge and fast work :))
 

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Well, in what disturbed math 0.10 comes after 0.9 ? I never understood these devs that do it like that. 0.1 is the same thing in math as 0.10. In human readable terms, maybe. But the correct way if you want to go from 0 to 1 is 0.01, 0.02... 0.09, 0.1, etc. And there are enough devs here that do that. I guess it's a good indicator on how the dev thinks, as we can see here in this case, by the his extensive knowledge and fast work :))
Again, because this is not maths, but a rather common software notation. First block to tell if the software version can be considered a completed work or not (v0, v1, v2...), second block to describe how many main updates have been released in order to complete that work (0.1, 0.2... 0.9, 0.10... 0.34 or whatever), third block to tell apart minor updates and hotfixes (0.1.01, 0.6.02), and there could be even more blocks after that if devs think they are needed to give enough accurate info about how development is going. You can check the 'About' section in any renpy game and see how renpy itself manages its own versions, then demand them to make that numbers 'human readable' (spoiler: they might tell you it's already 'human readable' as long as said human knows what he's looking at, which doesn't seem your case :) ).
 

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Why does this game have the abandoned tag? Their patreon shows a work update from 3 days ago (can't see what it says as I'm not a patron). If there hasn't been a new update to the actual game in more than 6 months, then I kind of get it.
Legitimately asking
Yes, the site rule is any games which go more than 18 months without an update get an "abandoned" tag, regardless of whether they are still actively being worked on.
 

Fattishman

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I'll just link this comment since everything is explained there. Patrons voted for longer updates starting with 0.4, and the size of each one of those 3 updates has been basically the same as the first 3 combined, with more complex art and coding interactions explaining the progressively longer dev cycles. This time, the raw word count before the polishing phase is said to be about 1/3 of the overall content so far (it will be trimmed down, as explained in the las dev comment). Add a newborn and a bad surgery to the mix, which would grant them about 6 months of paid leave if they were working under contract for a third party, and we are just slightly off their usual schedule, considering the alleged work (and still on it if we are indulgent with the issues that tend to arise when taking care of a newborn 24/7 and the changes this meant in their usual workflow, as they used to work simultaneously and they are now working on turns, which slow things down a little bit as they can't communicate and fix on the spot the issues they detect with each other's work).

About the potential loss of interest, that's relatively true. But you should take into account that a new update will bring new players (and patrons) in, and if devs prove to be trustworthy by releasing a 'quicker' 0.8 update, most of this criticism will be forgotten or at least put away for another year or more. Right now, that may be seen as a big if, for sure, but it's a totally possible outcome, and that potential loss of interest won't be an actual problem at all.



As Kisama has tried to explain, those figures are not natural fraction numbers but just common IT notation. In v0.6.02, the digit before the first period (0) means this is an uncompleted version of the planned full game (which will be v1.0), while the second number (6) indicates the accumulative big update order -meaning there have been 5 big updates before this one; and the third number after the second period (02) means this is the second bugfix for that 6th version. So after the v0.9 they'll release the tenth big update, which will be named v0.10, then they'll release v0.11, and so on, until they release the last update which will be v1.0 anyway, no matter what name had the previous one. So fear not, there are still more than 4 updates to get there.
Understand your point. And just to be clear, I love this game, I love the art, I love the characters and I love the story. I want it to be successful and if one day they will decide to do a sort of "phisical version" (I mean some special box with download code, artbook and maybe some extra content) I would be the first to support and pay even a big price (not joking). Just wanted to enter and discuss a bit on the situation after the "abandoned" tag appeared (I had almost a stroke when I saw it), despite I know this is due to precise F95 rules and probably it will be removed after next update, because in every contest (even in a porn site) is discussion and confrontation of different opinions that rise the level of the dialogue
 
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I'll just link this comment since everything is explained there. Patrons voted for longer updates starting with 0.4, and the size of each one of those 3 updates has been basically the same as the first 3 combined, with more complex art and coding interactions explaining the progressively longer dev cycles. This time, the raw word count before the polishing phase is said to be about 1/3 of the overall content so far (it will be trimmed down, as explained in the las dev comment). Add a newborn and a bad surgery to the mix, which would grant them about 6 months of paid leave if they were working under contract for a third party, and we are just slightly off their usual schedule, considering the alleged work (and still on it if we are indulgent with the issues that tend to arise when taking care of a newborn 24/7 and the changes this meant in their usual workflow, as they used to work simultaneously and they are now working on turns, which slow things down a little bit as they can't communicate and fix on the spot the issues they detect with each other's work).

About the potential loss of interest, that's relatively true. But you should take into account that a new update will bring new players (and patrons) in, and if devs prove to be trustworthy by releasing a 'quicker' 0.8 update, most of this criticism will be forgotten or at least put away for another year or more. Right now, that may be seen as a big if, for sure, but it's a totally possible outcome, and that potential loss of interest won't be an actual problem at all.



As Kisama has tried to explain, those figures are not natural fraction numbers but just common IT notation. In v0.6.02, the digit before the first period (0) means this is an uncompleted version of the planned full game (which will be v1.0), while the second number (6) indicates the accumulative big update order -meaning there have been 5 big updates before this one; and the third number after the second period (02) means this is the second bugfix for that 6th version. So after the v0.9 they'll release the tenth big update, which will be named v0.10, then they'll release v0.11, and so on, until they release the last update which will be v1.0 anyway, no matter what name had the previous one. So fear not, there are still more than 4 updates to get there.
We're making up excuses and a bike again. People don't believe anything anymore, because a lot of good games have become just a fraudulent garbage dump, although they were promising before. The trouble with such developers is that they want money without doing anything, or rather pretending to do something. And they also allow themselves to be indignant at patrons for their questions, and fair questions and criticism. Everything is simple. Make the product in good faith and you will be rich. And when you start lying, coming up with excuses, it jeopardizes trust, although there is an example when patrons look like a flock of sheep that are sheared, and they are happy)
 

fusibile87

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Dev's words on Discord earlier today:
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Lmao what a scam. Two months to fix the gameplay of a game without gameplay.
He is also putting the deadline conveniently at june, exactly one month before it can be said that the update required two years. He is clearly scamming, the update is ready and he is bullshitting for a couple of months to milk the patreons.
 

serader

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Dev's words on Discord earlier today:
Until recently, I did not want to believe that a project with such a beautiful visual could turn out to be a banal scam, but looking at this message...

For about SIX months, the picture on their website has been updated specifically in terms of bug fixes. And wow: it takes another TWO months for something that has already been fixed.

And the worst thing is, if something comes out in June or July, at least 1\10 from the 0.6 update, there will still be those who will continue to pay for it. A terrible development model. I would never have thought that I would write such a thing, but "Sad Crab" with their endless reworking of the same game in a circle - they look like very prolific developers (although the project there is a clean scam)
P.S. Apologize for the bad English.
 

moskyx

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For about SIX months, the picture on their website has been updated specifically in terms of bug fixes. And wow: it takes another TWO months for something that has already been fixed.
Not sure what you mean by this. Here's the progress tracker from exactly 6 months ago:
nov7.png


And this is today's progress tracker:
may7.png

As everyone can see, during the last six months they have been adding and completing new writing, code, posing, and audio tasks to complete the planned content: just looking at the total content bar, it went from 838/954 tasks to 1074/1076. Sure you can see the difference between those numbers, but let's make it even more clear: they completed 236 content-related tasks in this period, which means that up to 21.93% of the total content for this update has been completed within the last 6 months.

As they've explained in their weekly Patreon reports, and also to anyone asking in their free discord server, they are constantly checking parts of the game, replaying it, and going through that new content to find other things that should be improved and/or fixed, which is why many more edit and debug tasks have been added in this period, especially after the initially planned content was done. Those 'polish' tasks are currently being completed, going up from 407/440 tasks to 635/718 (the chart contains a typo and says 717). We're now fully deep in that polishing phase, and that dev's message you quoted explained what these still uncompleted tasks actually mean: rewriting some dialogues, creating a new scene, and so on. Of course, those weren't things already fixed (although it's possible that a new playthrough could lead devs to think some 'fixed' parts should still be improved despite having been 'fixed' months ago).

Anyway, this brief side-by-side comparison of those 2 graphics everyone can find in their Discord server makes it clear devs haven't been updating that tracker 'specifically in terms of bugfixing' for about six months, as you said. This polishing phase actually started on April 16th, and that's less than a month ago. Here's the progress tracker from that date:
apr16.png

So, your first post on this forum after almost 7 years may be your honest opinion, but it also contains totally wrong info and you're the only one who could tell us why you wanted to share that fake news, as it may mislead others. That's not leaving a good first impression.
 

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Until recently, I did not want to believe that a project with such a beautiful visual could turn out to be a banal scam, but looking at this message...

For about SIX months, the picture on their website has been updated specifically in terms of bug fixes. And wow: it takes another TWO months for something that has already been fixed.

And the worst thing is, if something comes out in June or July, at least 1\10 from the 0.6 update, there will still be those who will continue to pay for it. A terrible development model. I would never have thought that I would write such a thing, but "Sad Crab" with their endless reworking of the same game in a circle - they look like very prolific developers (although the project there is a clean scam)
P.S. Apologize for the bad English.
Not matter how they twist it,the two extra months make zero sense.
 
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