Atreyan

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The character's baseline personality (their "drives") matters a lot to decide if they will ask for sex where you are dominating them. Claw and Nash are probably never going to do it early in the game, Ate is also unlikely, Val might be possible (although I don't remember seeing it), Mir is the only one that starts somewhat "submissive-leaning".

I don't know the exact mechanics, they are very involved and you'd probably have to ask the dev, but for the purposes of the actions a character will take out of their own volition, you are probably looking at 3 sets of stats, each having a different weight for different type of "decisions", I think for things like asking for sex (and what type of sex they will ask for), they might be weighted like this:

Their personal drives > Their relationship levels with you > Their current mood (the bars you see in a conversation)

What is possibly happening in the examples you mentioned is that, while the characters are submissive towards you, they are probably also considerably affectionate towards you (high friendship, high romance), which might be making them be even more likely to prefer just asking for egalitarian sex, due to their "love" drive. What I mean is that when a character is choosing their "goal of the day", them having a good relationship with you and a high love drive makes them more likely to try to get intimate with you in the way they prefer (egalitarian for Mir, mix of egalitarian and dominating for Nash), rather than randomly suggesting sex where they are your submissive.

I don't know how feasible it would be, but if you could get their submissiveness high while keeping romance and friendship relatively low, they might be more likely to ask for submissive sex, but they might also just avoid you entirely and go get involved with a different character, I don't know.
I have tested your theory and it seems like you are right. I started new game and chose to touch Mir flower. This gave her some sub points for me, and she starts as more sub char than others I believe. Bcuz its the start of the game, I dont have much frendship with her and she dont have much drive, romance, sexual tenshion. So I tried to talk with her, build up her submission durning conversation and yes, she asked for sex with me on top.

Maybe there is more for that than just sole sobmission > frendship, but how are you gonna build just submission? Then you have either dominant or equal sex, partner will receive sub points based on your actions, but you and her also acquire romance and drive point.

So in the end you are bound to be asked for equal sex from chars even though you are making them as sub as possible?
 

DeepInteractivity

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So, a played this game for some time and there is one thing I dont understand, when other chars asking you for sex, what determines the choice between what position sex it will be - equal, sub or dom?
At first I thought that the more sub point char have for you and dom points you have for her, the more likely that durning conversation she will ask for sex with you at the top.
But I think its not like that, bcuz right now I have Nash with 7 sum towards me and 7 dom from me towards her, but durning conversation she either asking for equal sex with me, or, witch I dont understand, to be top and my char bottom. And its doesn't matter how much sub % she have durning conversation or dom % you have. But, bcuz i have that much domination towards her, I can just ask her to be bottom even without conversation.
For my entire playthrough, my char have been asked to be top in sex only once and by Mir, I suggest it happend bcuz I chose to touch her flover durning beginning of the story. But right now she dont suggest to be bottom either (although i have 5 dom for her and she have 5 sub for me) and I didnt chose answers dunring events, that leads her motives to be more dominant either.
It's not a big deal, I'm just curious:)
While it is possible for NPCs to ask for submissive sex, there are a lot of conditions for it and it's generally unlike to happen.

Once a NPC has decided they want to ask for sex, they check what type of sex they're allowed (by their behavior algorithm) to ask for. The can't ask for dominant sex if they have a "nice" mission (raise friendship, flirt, etc.), they can't ask for ega sex if they have an overly assertive mission (seduce) or they want to dom you (you're among their conquest or covet targets). Submissive sex has the tightest conditions, as they're only supposed to ask for it if they're desperate (they're competing to become the High Priestess, remember?), so they cannot have the goal of dominating you, their pleasure drive must be higher than the average of their ambition and domination drives, and they must either have the specific goal of having sex or they must consider you their love interest. And even so, if they're allowed to ask for dominant or egalitarian sex, and they believe you would accept or the offer would provoke willpower damage on your character, they will ask for the other two first.

A lot of these factors are invisible, and you can deduce them at most: the game will not tell you that you're the domination, love or ally target or another NPC, but it will condition their behavior and comments towards you when they initiate conversations and fights.

If you want to maximize the chances of the NPCs asking for submissive sex, you should maximize their pleasure and love drives, and not allow their ambition and domination to grow. A character that has high submission and sexual tension with you but still has high ambition and domination drives will still want to dominate someone, and that someone may be you even if it's an uphill battle.

A NPC having a high submission with you, however, will make it very easy for them to yield and have submissive sex with you if you ask them. Being a shy domme isn't easy.
 

mullovergem

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Have you ever considered adding hotkeys (1,2,3...) for things like moving across the map and social interactions? On a trackpad it's a little tedious clicking around.

Plus, it would make the game more one-handed friendly.
 
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DeepInteractivity

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Have you ever considered adding hotkeys (1,2,3...) for things like moving across the map and social interactions? On a trackpad it's a little tedious clicking around.

Plus, it would make the game more one-handed friendly.
Sorry for the late reply. QoL isn't currently a priority at this stage. Right now I'm focusing on the story, though I also have to put significant work into fixing bugs and implementing the new sprites as Chili Cherry finishes making them, as letting them in the oven for too long leads to issues.
 

TheLlamaGuy

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A commonly glossed over advantage of chains is that characters who have their arms (or legs) locked have a weaker struggle, which means that you're more likely to finish an opponent you manage to pounce on before they get freed. It has lower precision, sure, but it has good synergy with common magic builds that rely on Freeze Feet for reliable control damage.
Anyone have a strict reason to pick Ethereal chains btw?
Another interesting benefit is that if willpower is 0, the Aethereal Chains CA during has a significant overflow to lust damage during sex scenes, which means more orgasms, which means more relationship gain. In particular, if you want to build submission, you get more opportunities for denied orgasms.

The best way I found to build submission (a couple hundred in an evening is not impossible) is to repeatedly have sex with someone in a submissive relationship and deny as many orgasms as possible. Costs nothing in terms of social drive or infamy to ask, a submissive can't deny your requests for sex, and sex scenes don't take that much time, so you can do it quite a lot in one evening (better yet, have sex with different characters to build tons of submission with different characters). Just mount from behind, penetrate and whatever other CA's you can stack to give tons of denied orgasms (takes a bit of effort to manage without chastity but should be fine once you get the hang of it).

Chained arms adds a lot to this approach. Here is an example from a recent scene with Nash, using my charisma/will/int character:

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(The first overflow is will, the second is energy).

That's 18.6 lust damage per turn, or an orgasm every 6 turns, or 3-4 orgasms a scene, or 60 submission from ruined orgasms if you manage it well, in addition to submission gained from will/energy damage, all from a CA. Hypnotic Glance does have a lot of willpower damage which builds submission, but it is not a CA so it competes with other actions like thrusting or spanking. And neither Glance nor Kiss have any lust damage overflow.


A bit later in the scene, I was able to get 36 lust in a single turn from Aethereal Chains with me having +bonus to dominant and Nash +bonus to submissive actions.
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I wonder if this is somewhat bugged though, looking at the code it doesn't immediately seem like there should be any reason for the willpower overflow to be that much more significant than the energy overflow (or that significant at all, really). Perhaps the applyBarDamage function is picking up ALL willpower damage being done in that round rather than just the damage from Aethereal Chains?

... in fact, looking at the numbers from a few different scenes that seems to be exactly it, for both will and energy overflow. Possibly a bug DeepInteractivity? Or working as intended?
 
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DeepInteractivity

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I wonder if this is somewhat bugged though, looking at the code it doesn't immediately seem like there should be any reason for the willpower overflow to be that much more significant than the energy overflow (or that significant at all, really). Perhaps the applyBarDamage function is picking up ALL willpower damage being done in that round rather than just the damage from Aethereal Chains?

... in fact, looking at the numbers from a few different scenes that seems to be exactly it, for both will and energy overflow. Possibly a bug @DeepInteractivity? Or working as intended?
That seems to be the case. There's a mismatch between how different sex actions deal with overflow energy/willpower damage, so when aethereal chains deals willpower damage and the target is already at negative willpower, before it gets set to 0 at the end of the round's calculations, acts as if all that damage had been dealt by aethereal chains. I'll have to figure out if I make all other sex scene actions properly deal with the overflows, or if I make aethereal chains behave like the rest of sex actions.
 

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Unholy Arts becomes a furry game

Greetings, Candidates! After some serious considerations over the financial sustainability of Unholy Arts, we have taken the decision to transform it into a yiff game, in order to get our hands (should I say paws now?) onto those big furry bucks.

The Beastkin tribe will be the first one to get redesigned, with all their characters getting fur everywhere right from the start. The Gaanidan and the Ashwalker tribes will start as demihumans with only a few animal features, but getting regularly pounded by Beastkins will unleash their more animalistic sides in no time as well. As for the rest of the tribes, the Leirien, the Shapeshifters and the Aiishen will now be trying to subjugate everyone else under rightful servitude as proper collared pets for the Goddess, while the Lizardlins are now an allied faction of the player instead.

I know everyone is super excited to see the new designs, so let's go take a look at the new Claw, who is exorbitantly enthusiastic about showing this new side of herself as a full on Tigress! SFW image:

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Qix4

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Unholy Arts becomes a furry game

Greetings, Candidates! After some serious considerations over the financial sustainability of Unholy Arts, we have taken the decision to transform it into a yiff game, in order to get our hands (should I say paws now?) onto those big furry bucks.

The Beastkin tribe will be the first one to get redesigned, with all their characters getting fur everywhere right from the start. The Gaanidan and the Ashwalker tribes will start as demihumans with only a few animal features, but getting regularly pounded by Beastkins will unleash their more animalistic sides in no time as well. As for the rest of the tribes, the Leirien, the Shapeshifters and the Aiishen will now be trying to subjugate everyone else under rightful servitude as proper collared pets for the Goddess, while the Lizardlins are now an allied faction of the player instead.

I know everyone is super excited to see the new designs, so let's go take a look at the new Claw, who is exorbitantly enthusiastic about showing this new side of herself as a full on Tigress! SFW image:

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FINALLY THE UPDATE WE NEED/DESERVE!!!
 

TFFBladez

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I keep getting an error that makes it impossible to play "Bad evaluation: Cannot read properties of undefined (reading 'orgasmSceneCounter".) It locks me on screens and only load saves fix it. I cannot play this anymore because I am sick of having to re-load.
 

Wyrtyn

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It's more like an instruction manual for a washing machine than a game.
I would say the opposite. The incremental gameplay creates a living story. If a certain char has certain drives it affects story checks and those drives largely develop from the gameplay. If anything it's a better game than 99% of games here cause gameplay and story interact greatly while usually games here either go pornstory or gameplay
 

MingCR

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Unholy Arts becomes a furry game

Greetings, Candidates! After some serious considerations over the financial sustainability of Unholy Arts, we have taken the decision to transform it into a yiff game, in order to get our hands (should I say paws now?) onto those big furry bucks.

The Beastkin tribe will be the first one to get redesigned, with all their characters getting fur everywhere right from the start. The Gaanidan and the Ashwalker tribes will start as demihumans with only a few animal features, but getting regularly pounded by Beastkins will unleash their more animalistic sides in no time as well. As for the rest of the tribes, the Leirien, the Shapeshifters and the Aiishen will now be trying to subjugate everyone else under rightful servitude as proper collared pets for the Goddess, while the Lizardlins are now an allied faction of the player instead.

I know everyone is super excited to see the new designs, so let's go take a look at the new Claw, who is exorbitantly enthusiastic about showing this new side of herself as a full on Tigress! SFW image:

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Gotta say, animal-style genitalia for beastkin (or even an option to aquire them for yourself) could be interesting.
 
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Darkwood II

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Is there actually a way to meet Sillan without getting hypnotised? I have only found either ending c or hypnotised into an orgy or just refused to continue the conversation because I tried to hypnotise Nersmias.

Like what is the point of the story check of asking Sillan if she was hypnotised if its impossible to meet her without being barred from doing so?
 

DeepInteractivity

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Is there actually a way to meet Sillan without getting hypnotised? I have only found either ending c or hypnotised into an orgy or just refused to continue the conversation because I tried to hypnotise Nersmias.

Like what is the point of the story check of asking Sillan if she was hypnotised if its impossible to meet her without being barred from doing so?
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You have a guide for the Nersmias event here:
 

Wyrtyn

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Is there actually a way to meet Sillan without getting hypnotised? I have only found either ending c or hypnotised into an orgy or just refused to continue the conversation because I tried to hypnotise Nersmias.

Like what is the point of the story check of asking Sillan if she was hypnotised if its impossible to meet her without being barred from doing so?
You have to be but even hypnotized you can convince her. Your good choices depend on inspiration, take your baths, grab a will boosting item that morning. Start with getting some trust to delay his attack, once he starts hypnotizing you fire back and you should nuke him even on masochist.

As a side note in general masochist is fine other than group battles where i seem to get btfo-ed(haven't played last update so can't say month 2). Not sure if you can do agility on masochist, physique, resilience and will builds all work. And yes on masochist you rely on one main stat
 

Hikkknn

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So I gather that the little (?) are meant to convey information if you intearct with them in some way? They literally don't do anything for me, just basically act as plain text that I can't interact with.

I'm playing on mobile, emulating via Joiplay, which obviously is not the platform I'm meant to play on, but I've never had this issue with other games so I'm wondering if there's something special going on here that's preventing it from appearing? I'm guessing they work on PC, because I haven't managed to find anyone mentioning that they don't work since like 2022, so like obviously not a real issue to adress or whatever if they work when playing on the intended platform, but... Yeah it's weird that they don't seem to work at all on mobile, I've never really encountered anything like this before.
 

DeepInteractivity

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So I gather that the little (?) are meant to convey information if you intearct with them in some way? They literally don't do anything for me, just basically act as plain text that I can't interact with.

I'm playing on mobile, emulating via Joiplay, which obviously is not the platform I'm meant to play on, but I've never had this issue with other games so I'm wondering if there's something special going on here that's preventing it from appearing? I'm guessing they work on PC, because I haven't managed to find anyone mentioning that they don't work since like 2022, so like obviously not a real issue to adress or whatever if they work when playing on the intended platform, but... Yeah it's weird that they don't seem to work at all on mobile, I've never really encountered anything like this before.
You would be correct. They give you little tooltips if you hover the mouse over them, usually with some extra mechanical info or how much more exp you need to level up a stat, but they don't work on phone. Sorry about that.
 
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