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Suncatcher42

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Do you think it would still be as easy to make ammo in a postapocalyptic world with probably extensive supply issues? You would probably even have to make your own gunpowder the charcoal could be relatively easy to get but the sulfur and especially the potassium nitrate could be a different story.
Black powder was made long before machine tools. The fast way is to mine the appropriate chemicals, but if you don't have access to appropriate mines you can produce your own out of nothing but excrement (pig, human, whatever) if you have a few months to spare and a place where nobody will object to the smell.

Muzzle loaders would definitely be easiest, but you could put together a modified revolver design. It'd be heavy, not super accurate, and fill the room with smoke, but it'd work.
 
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Obviously going back to a muzzle loading musket or rifle, as well as black powder brings about many issues as well. Hell, many modern gun designs would fail pretty quickly if black powder was used, since it leaves much more residue behind than modern smokeless powder. Though if a character wants a single shot (or few shots with multiple pistols) it would be a way to do it, like the liberator pistol the US Airforce dropped into France during WW2, it was meant for ambush to possibly get a better weapon.
You can have multiple shots with one pistol, as long as you don't mind it being small-bore, low-pressure, short and heavy.
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Obviously that's over the top, but four .35" barrels you could do quite sensibly.
Yes, it'd be smoky, very smoky, but it'd do well enough as a CQA weapon.

What'd be very tricky would be a rifled barrel. That's going to need some big facilities.
Smoothbore, straight-blowback, no safety catch, no fire selector, "angry tube" .22 LR you could make in a high school's metalwork department. Use Ruger 10-22 after-market 25-round magazines and BZZZZZT goodbye, Jack.
A rifled barrel that's strong enough to take the pressure and stay straight and nice enough to improve accuracy over a smoothbore loaded with spherical bullets, though? Much harder to do, and/or very heavy.

You could mix the designs, if the ammo's available: take the design of the double-barrel shotgun, make it a 19-barrel:
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... and have a plate with 19 pins on it, on a stiff spring, cocked by closing the gun and released by a single trigger, and you'd have a high-velocity 1.34 oz load of #4 buckshot with a very tight pattern ready to go. It'd take a while to fully reload. You might want to have a spare, loaded barrel cluster and a way to swap them out rather than shoving one round into one chamber at a time to reload each time, but if you only need to hit one target one blast's plenty.

You know what'd be a whole lot easier to make without a forge and power tools?
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There are quite a few ways to "trigger" a crossbow, including that thumb-trigger or a ratchet barrel holding the string back and held back by the front end of an underside trigger.
The fletching can be paper, plywood, feathers, bits of the plastic trays of ready meals or even bits of string.
The arrowheads?


Not like a few pieces breaking off inside the target makes it less deadly, is it?
 
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You can have multiple shots with one pistol, as long as you don't mind it being small-bore, low-pressure, short and heavy.
So I just looked it up and people do seem to be able to get automatics to work with black powder. You'd want to clean them thoroughly after pretty much every mag, and it'd probably be extremely unreliable in a lot of guns, but it's definitely possible to make black powder work in glocks and whatnot. You could probably get them running it more reliably with a little bit of tinkering to the gun itself.
Some Youtube videos of Glocks working with black powder:

 
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Penitensary

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Some of the later Oskar stories will explain this more. But Oskar has probably taken control over the properties after his dad died. Him being a young, arrogant ass leads him to going on a little bit of a power trip and thinking himself a bit of a gangster. He has muscle helping him out at the casino and other areas, but no need to have them by his side 24/7 because, well it's not America.

He maintained control over the apartment complex and casino because there is no reason to take it from him. Unless problems are being caused that require security to step in, then they will just let things carry on as normal. And as far as security are concerned, he provides a service to the town, much like the pub does, by keeping people contained and entertained. When people are drinking or gambling then they aren't out causing troubles for security.

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Just curious, but...

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As for the armored car outside of the Checkpoint area... I'm actually in favor of keeping it there. Even if it doesn't work, it would still act as a deterrent of sorts since the people hostile to the city wouldn't know that. A paper tiger, sure, but still enough to give people second thoughts: even nonfunctional it has a purpose.
 

Pervtron3000

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I don't remember what I did but I got stuck in a state where I couldn't get break the pipes in Haven, once I found 10/10 clues the quest updated that I should just leave Haven through the front door and I could no longer do things like get upstairs, break pipes, or start a fire.
 

Sam_Tail

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Just curious, but...

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As for the armored car outside of the Checkpoint area... I'm actually in favor of keeping it there. Even if it doesn't work, it would still act as a deterrent of sorts since the people hostile to the city wouldn't know that. A paper tiger, sure, but still enough to give people second thoughts: even nonfunctional it has a purpose.
We will see. Oskar was meant to come across as a cunt and unlikable character, but as he is now he doesn't seem that bad. Certainly no worse than most characters in the game anyway. So depending on how things go when I write the home sex scenes with him and sammy/robin and the casino stuff, I may decide to give him a bit better of an outcome.

I don't remember what I did but I got stuck in a state where I couldn't get break the pipes in Haven, once I found 10/10 clues the quest updated that I should just leave Haven through the front door and I could no longer do things like get upstairs, break pipes, or start a fire.
The quest is complete so no need for you to do any of that anymore.
 

Highland_Hunter

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Still waiting for a "word" from the Dev (Sam_Tail), about a, "patch/ fix", to correct the inability to "chat-up" Svetlana, while practicing dance routines, in the gym, while she is in attendance there .
:confused:
 

souldead341

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Still waiting for a "word" from the Dev (Sam_Tail), about a, "patch/ fix", to correct the inability to "chat-up" Svetlana, while practicing dance routines, in the gym, while she is in attendance there .
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Which we won't see unless whatever patreon version gets the fix in it is leaked, or when the public release comes out.

And again, she pretty much only has placeholder dialogue anyway, so there's nothing to see even if the bug is fixed.
 

hgffdh

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Oskar was meant to come across as a cunt and unlikable character
Huh? He's one of the best people you meet in the city. He gives you cheap housing, 30% discount for a simple menial task right off the bat, has sex with you if you propose him (and makes rent essentially free) and doesn't if you don't, even without the discount the rent is so cheap and the game has few activities besides making money anyway, its basically impossible to get kicked out. He's no nonsense serious guy. He is no sleaze that bothers Sammy of his own volition, it actually looks like he's incredibly tired of thirsty teenagers lusting for his prime real estate. He's a more or less successful entrepreneur. How is he an asshole? If he tried to like, scam Sammy (e.g. force her to pay for broken stuff that he claims is her fault) or hinder her somehow, that'd be a different matter, but as it is, Oskar is basically an Atlas that carries the economy on his shoulders.
 

grumpyoldcat

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Sam_Tail As long as you're open to suggestions and commentary in this thread, then if I may...

It's a bit bothersome that the buttslut perk kind of gets sidelined for plain vanilla through NPC interaction and even Sammy's inner thoughts. "Even though it's not my pussy" is not great to see when I've meticulously steered her to be anal only. It's even worse when she gets nailed in the bus, it's always vaginal. Always.

If this is going to be addressed later, then great. If not, then whatever.

It's why I've learned to save often, like in a goddamned Sierra game....
 

Sewyoba

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Oskar is basically an Atlas that carries the economy on his shoulders.
Does he even run maintenance of his properti(es)? How can one be an Atlas when they are just a parasite exploiting imperfect property ownership laws without actually contributing to the productive economy?
 

imagrid1

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I've been trying the whoring thing and came across some issues. Is it just buggy like that and I have to wait for an update or is there already a fix?


1. Sometimes when customers want to do certain things, it gives me just these error messages Bild_2024-04-30_221313912.png
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There seem to be files missing. Also the path "scripts/locations/general/action_whore/..." doesn't even exist in my game folder.


2. Every time a customer brings me to their motel room or trailer it just says "this is sex in a room with a bed. it will allow for more sex variations" and then nothing happens at all. I don't even get any money. I can only leave the location.

Am I doing something wrong or is it a bug?
 

Sam_Tail

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Still waiting for a "word" from the Dev (Sam_Tail), about a, "patch/ fix", to correct the inability to "chat-up" Svetlana, while practicing dance routines, in the gym, while she is in attendance there .
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There is no content with her yet, but will fix in an update.

Huh? He's one of the best people you meet in the city. He gives you cheap housing, 30% discount for a simple menial task right off the bat, has sex with you if you propose him (and makes rent essentially free) and doesn't if you don't, even without the discount the rent is so cheap and the game has few activities besides making money anyway, its basically impossible to get kicked out. He's no nonsense serious guy. He is no sleaze that bothers Sammy of his own volition, it actually looks like he's incredibly tired of thirsty teenagers lusting for his prime real estate. He's a more or less successful entrepreneur. How is he an asshole? If he tried to like, scam Sammy (e.g. force her to pay for broken stuff that he claims is her fault) or hinder her somehow, that'd be a different matter, but as it is, Oskar is basically an Atlas that carries the economy on his shoulders.
Was meant to be. The final written product though doesn't show that in the slightest, and I like it when characters write themselves so the story may change based on who he turned out to be.

Sam_Tail As long as you're open to suggestions and commentary in this thread, then if I may...

It's a bit bothersome that the buttslut perk kind of gets sidelined for plain vanilla through NPC interaction and even Sammy's inner thoughts. "Even though it's not my pussy" is not great to see when I've meticulously steered her to be anal only. It's even worse when she gets nailed in the bus, it's always vaginal. Always.

If this is going to be addressed later, then great. If not, then whatever.

It's why I've learned to save often, like in a goddamned Sierra game....
Your right. Those lines suggest it's the inferior option when for a buttslutt Sammy it's the preference. Will look into it.

As for the bus, it needs some adjustments but in many cases you have no control over what the guy chooses to do. But in cases where Sammy instigates, yes there should be choices

I've been trying the whoring thing and came across some issues. Is it just buggy like that and I have to wait for an update or is there already a fix?


1. Sometimes when customers want to do certain things, it gives me just these error messages View attachment 3590734
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There seem to be files missing. Also the path "scripts/locations/general/action_whore/..." doesn't even exist in my game folder.


2. Every time a customer brings me to their motel room or trailer it just says "this is sex in a room with a bed. it will allow for more sex variations" and then nothing happens at all. I don't even get any money. I can only leave the location.

Am I doing something wrong or is it a bug?
Still working on that stuff so is a bit buggy or incomplete.
 

grumpyoldcat

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Your right. Those lines suggest it's the inferior option when for a buttslutt Sammy it's the preference. Will look into it.

As for the bus, it needs some adjustments but in many cases you have no control over what the guy chooses to do. But in cases where Sammy instigates, yes there should be choices
Thanks for the reply.
 

ChesseKun

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Does he even run maintenance of his properti(es)? How can one be an Atlas when they are just a parasite exploiting imperfect property ownership laws without actually contributing to the productive economy?
Keep in mind it is still the post-apocalypse so getting certain things is hard if not impossible.
At the very least he hired Sammy to do the cleaning.
 
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As for the bus, it needs some adjustments but in many cases you have no control over what the guy chooses to do. But in cases where Sammy instigates, yes there should be choices
When Sammy has no choice about what hole to use, it really shouldn't count as having sex for the calculation of perks that indicate a preference. I've found that unless you are save scumming buttslut is a perk that is really difficult to keep.
 

hgffdh

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Does he even run maintenance of his properti(es)? How can one be an Atlas when they are just a parasite exploiting imperfect property ownership laws without actually contributing to the productive economy?
Well I suspect that yes, he does, given how the apartment has running water and electricity and appliances and furniture. Most importantly, he's not just maintaining that, he's also somehow guarding the property so nothing gets stolen and no randoms squat in your room. Compare it to that building near the factory where you do the mission, with broken walls, burning barrels for light sources and where Sammy breaks water pipes, its a night and day.
 

ChesseKun

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Well I suspect that yes, he does, given how the apartment has running water and electricity and appliances and furniture. Most importantly, he's not just maintaining that, he's also somehow guarding the property so nothing gets stolen and no randoms squat in your room. Compare it to that building near the factory where you do the mission, with broken walls, burning barrels for light sources and where Sammy breaks water pipes, its a night and day.
Wasn't it Dani who said her room was more or less a closet with a mattress in it?
But then again we don't know how much she pays in rent. Could be 10 quid and a crisp high five.
 
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